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US Politics The 2020 Trump Presidency Thread

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Droppperneck said:
Covid has been exaggerated for political purposes, but it’s still something serious. I’d Australia is somewhere that fits your needs, more power to you. It’s just not for me, I’m always going to be anti establishment/authority.
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COVID has also been underplayed for political purposes. It goes both ways. Co-morbidity applies to most (all?) viruses to some extent. There is no sensible argument that there have been more suicides than COVID deaths if you look at the excess death rate in any country in the world. Excess deaths is how they study the impact of viruses. Here's a National Geographic article about the Spanish Flu pandemic that looks at social distancing in 1918 across the different US states and the effect it had on the excess death rate.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...vKui-1dOjtTGhcJcAfFqIWdcw_6GfLG8jR-_mp27gb8V4

Now that Trump is gone, get ready for the Biden lock-down.

People compare coronavirus to the flu. The flu has killed somewhere in the vicinity of 2 billion people over the centuries. The Spanish flu alone killed about 50 million. The Asian Flu (H2N2) killed about 2 million people from 1956-1958. Co-morbity was a factor in these deaths. The vulnerable and the elderly will always be more susceptible to viruses than the young and fit.

If you're 80 years old and you die from the flu, you still die from the flu.

The United States has an unusually cavalier attitude towards a virus that has killed nearly a quarter of a million people in six months. One in 500 people in New Jersey are already dead from COVID. I don't understand how you guys can downplay that?

There have been 25 deaths in New Zealand and our economy is fine. I agree with JessFR. I'd rather live in a country that prioritizes protecting the vulnerable over stubbornly exercising freedoms.

A lot of people blame Trump for the COVID situation in the US and he's definitely partly to blame, but it seems like there's a lot more opposition to the idea of lock-down over there than practically anywhere else in the world.

I'm very doubtful that Biden will be able to fix Trump's failure to contain this virus.
 
Dropperneck said:
Women are more susceptible to media propaganda and societal social pressures. My sisters couldn’t tell you much about policy, but they can rant all day about how they dislike trumps hair and the way he speaks. Women see him as a power figure in a positive or extremely negative light. My sisters are upper class professionals, and I respect them a ton, but they view politics through a very superficial lens. Their social circles have waaaaay too much influence over the way they think. The one that is a lawyer had no idea that democrats are the ones that got us these extreme rightoid scotus judges via changing the Filibuster rule to get their extreme left judges through. Basically moderates lost with the democrat decision to change the threshold to a simple majority. And now she doesn’t even seem to care that they are signaling that they could pack the courts for the purpose of policy preference. I truly just try and educate them when we talk about things like politics, but it’s an uphill battle for sure.
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My two sisters voted for him, out of absolute ignorance.
 
Dropperneck said:
Women are more susceptible to media propaganda and societal social pressures.
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Dropperneck said:
An anecdotal view for sure, and just the way I see the world, that should have been a disclaimer.
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It’s still a violation of BLUA4, even with a disclaimer, as you well know.
Consider this an informal warning and a reminder to review BLUA and forum guidelines if you post here.
 
ppl are bitching cuz of the vote pallets but most trump suporters didnt mail in vote cuz there sheep to the t-rump and i doubt many of the voted early either
 
what's happened to the president since the election? for all his bluster, it feels like he's just thrown in the towel and gone on vacation. he should listen to this guy:



it's not like the country is in the middle of a pandemic at least.

wait. nevermind.

in the 5 days since the election there have been ~575,000 new coronavirus cases. what is ignoring it and going golfing going to achieve?

i read this today: Australia has almost eliminated the coronavirus — by putting faith in science

The Sydney Opera House has reopened. Almost 40,000 spectators attended the city's rugby league grand final. Workers are being urged to return to their offices.

Australia has become a pandemic success story.

The nation of 26 million is close to eliminating community transmission of the coronavirus, having defeated a second wave just as infections surge again in Europe and the United States.

No new cases were reported on the island continent Thursday, and only seven since Saturday, besides travelers in hotel quarantine. Eighteen patients are hospitalized with covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus. One is in an intensive care unit. Melbourne, the main hotbed of Australia's outbreak that recently emerged from lockdown, has not reported a case since Oct. 30.
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population of australia: 25,499,884
number of covid deaths: 907 (1 in 28,114)
population of the u.s.: 331,000,000
number of covid deaths: 234,000 (1 in 1,414)

the rate of covid death in the u.s. is 19.88 times that of the australian rate.

but i don't want to wear a mask!

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alasdair
 
Population of New Zealand: 5 million
Deaths: 25 (1 in 200,000)

We win.

But, it's obviously a lot easier for island nations. Containing the virus in the US even with lockdown would have been a practically impossible task.
 
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^ There small loans will be spent frivolously imo.

I love the American flag but Trump supporters this year really overdid it. However, there is one American flag that has had me chuckling for the past two weeks or so. It's my republican neighbors friend flag. He didn't "over-do" it with a million flags like other Trump voters but he did do something accidental.

We've had strong winds and he didn't tie it right so the flag is on a pole but it's resting a full foot or more from the top of the pole. It's basically been sitting at half-mast for the past 3 weeks. My first thought was, "wouldn't that be some serious foreshadowing if he lost." Then, Trump lost. RIP Trump presidency.

It's kind of hilarious at this point and I don't think I'll ever point out the error to him.
 
I just developed a whole lot more respect for Fox News for cutting away from McEnany's ... dare I even call it a ... press conference?
 
indeed.

i don't know why journalists didn't just stop showing up for white house press briefings. i think it would have sent a strong message if the press secretary came out and there was simply nobody there...

alasdair
 
Deru said:
I just developed a whole lot more respect for Fox News for cutting away from McEnany's ... dare I even call it a ... press conference?
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I know I found it very amusing that Fox News was one of the outlets insisting that the republicans had lost Arizona.
 
To be fair trump was saying the entire time a vaccine was going to be ready by pfizer within weeks and then they come out with the news so he was correct on that.
 
This is not "ready". Or I certainly wouldn't clal it ready.

It's an announcement that far as I know isn't even scientifically validated yet. And says nothing about the vaccines safety.

Even if everything goes perfect with it going forward its still likely gonna be months before it can be scaled into mass production.

But yes, trump was correct in saying a vaccine is coming. Shame he also included endless lies with that truth that was never in doubt.
 
Now Trump's got Barr authorizing DOJ prosecutors to investigate voter fraud before the election is officially certified and uncontested.

I also find it comical Trump has ditched Fox News (or is it the other way around) for Newsmax.
 
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