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US Politics The 2020 Trump Presidency Thread

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For me it's question of which candidate is worse, because unquestionably they are both bad. Certainly part of my opinion is based on the fact that socially, I disagree with the Republican/conservative position on most issues, and agree with the Dem position. In terms of believing in the integrity of the DNC, hell no. But a lot of it has to do with Trump himself, and his actions. His appointments have been absolutely awful by and large, too.

Turd Sandwich 2020... fml
 
I share similar views. At this point, it’s the lesser of two evils. And, in my opinion, Biden is the lesser of them.
 
Xorkoth said:
For me it's question of which candidate is worse, because unquestionably they are both bad. Certainly part of my opinion is based on the fact that socially, I disagree with the Republican/conservative position on most issues, and agree with the Dem position. In terms of believing in the integrity of the DNC, hell no. But a lot of it has to do with Trump himself, and his actions. His appointments have been absolutely awful by and large, too.

Turd Sandwich 2020... fml
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Two inherently right wing parties with slightly differing visions....... I don't think it all matters that much in the end as long as the two party system stands as it is
If the DNC really wanted change they would've come up with a better candidate than Biden after 4 (!!!) years
 
Anyone else surprised that Trump hasn't already tried to claim victory? It'll be stunning if he doesn't claim victory extremely prematurely...

Fuck Trump
 
Not sure if drunpf will win or lose, but he’s gonna have to have record black and Latino voting. I’m gonna predict at least in the 20% range for the black vote. A couple of my apolitical ghetto buddies would vote for trump if they weren’t ex felons. Anecdotal, but still throws me for a loop. They just really like his personality or his dick swinging 🤔 Honestly I don’t really get it. They like him for the reasons I dislike him essentially.
 
Anonymous Dissident said:
Fuck Trump
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Dropperneck said:
Latino voting.
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Latina women are mostly voting against him but will they show up to vote?

Bitch, I "Jaja" con jota
"Hahaha" with the 'J'
I speak English and Spanish
I'm bi-lingual all day
Fuck Trump



Tequila is bought. Going to the Mexican restaurant to pick up the tacos now.

lol at the pause between bi and lingual.
 
Women are more susceptible to media propaganda and societal social pressures. My sisters couldn’t tell you much about policy, but they can rant all day about how they dislike trumps hair and the way he speaks. Women see him as a power figure in a positive or extremely negative light. My sisters are upper class professionals, and I respect them a ton, but they view politics through a very superficial lens. Their social circles have waaaaay too much influence over the way they think. The one that is a lawyer had no idea that democrats are the ones that got us these extreme rightoid scotus judges via changing the Filibuster rule to get their extreme left judges through. Basically moderates lost with the democrat decision to change the threshold to a simple majority. And now she doesn’t even seem to care that they are signaling that they could pack the courts for the purpose of policy preference. I truly just try and educate them when we talk about things like politics, but it’s an uphill battle for sure.
 
I'll admit though it's very tempting for me to have sexist thoughts. Given how men seem to be at the core of nearly all conflict throughout history. How it's nearly all men who make up the sexual abuses in the world. And I sometimes think it's unfair that gun control should target everyone. That it'd make a lot more sense for gun control to just target men since they make up the majority of the actual violent misuse of firearms.

But that would be sexist crap too. I mean it's partly true, but it completely misses how many great men exist who aren't like that. And how many great contributions to the world men have made.
 
Sorry jess, wasn’t my intent. An anecdotal view for sure, and just the way I see the world, that should have been a disclaimer. My ex was very independent and free thinking. After rereading I see what ur saying and apologize. But on the social pressure bit, that’s the truth as far as I see it

OT; are you still out of country?
 
Dropperneck said:
Sorry jess, wasn’t my intent. An anecdotal view for sure, and just the way I see the world, that should have been a disclaimer. My ex was very independent and free thinking. After rereading I see what ur saying and apologize. But on the social pressure bit, that’s the truth as far as I see it

OT; are you still out of country?
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That's OK, I'm probably a little on edge what with the election happening. <3

If you mean do I still live in australia, yes.

Tbh, in spite of wanting to move back for most of the past several years, my feelings have changed a lot since trump was elected and ESPECIALLY since covid19.

For years I felt frustrated with Australian cultural political views on things like freedoms and such. But since covid19 I've started wondering if I was wrong, if maybe the more Australian perspective of a more collectivist system may actually be better in practice.

I mean it's hard not to look at Australia's success at saving people's lives and America's total failure to prevent hundreds of thousands of American deaths, and not feel like our way is wrong.

It's not even just lives, economically the more American ways seem much less sensible, in spite of historically being more aligned to my beliefs.

I dunno. I just can't help but feel like maybe the hyper individualist, rights focused philosophy Americans generally hold, that for the longest time I wholeheartedly believed in, may in practice be very self destructive.
 
That’s honestly super interesting. So I keep up with claire22 and ksyntism on fb. Both are from Australia and are horrified by the authoritarian over reaction the Aussie government has taken, in their opinion. One said that in Victoria they can’t even leave their home at times. Even the WHO has came out and said the reaction shouldn’t be worse than the actual virus, and now openly oppose lock downs. Also I have close family that are infectious dIsease microbiologists, so my views are definitely going to be the opposite of most, with regard to Covid. Covid sort of took over the russia conspiracy/impeachment narrative-media campaign. I remember the early models said 2 million Americans would die, and that 200k deaths would be the best case scenario lol. Like 250k people die from medical error every year, and you could make a case more people have committed suicide/od’d/etc than have died from Covid, especially when you consider the fact that most people die due to co morbidities. I found myself yelling at the screen the other day bc the media turns extremely rare Covid deaths of younger people into headlines to support their little media campaign. It’s disgusts me, if I’m being completely honest. Making a meme out of human life, for ratings, just rubs me the wrong way.
 
Call me crazy but I quite enjoy being able to go outside and not particularly worry that I might catch covid19.

I can do that here in Australia. I couldn't do that if I lived in Florida.

Was victoria an example of perfect government? No. But overall australia has done substantially better than America at managing this crisis.

And I can't help but conclude that differences in Australian political beliefs about freedom and government are a huge part of the reason for the difference.

My priority, the primary goal that all my political beliefs are built on, is the best interests of human beings and society as a whole. My belief in strict freedoms and rights are all to that end.

But if in practice all I see is that those beliefs result in death? Well having the right not to wear a mask isn't a whole lot of use if I'm dead.

And sure, I personally am not likely to die from covid, but the same can't be said for other loved ones I have. And more to the point, my priorities aren't entirely self centered.

So yeah. I can't help but conclude that my fairly american political views about rights, that have for years put me in conflict with most australians I've spoken too, might have been wrong.

The goal isn't freedom, the goal is helping people and determining the best social system for people. Freedom is just the means to that end. But if that end isn't the result of those means, then I have to reevaluate if I was right in supporting those beliefs.
 
I guess it comes down to trading freedom for a certain sense of security and comfort. Having sat down with the only two ID specialists in the region I have little belief or comfort in the efficacy of non medical, or even medical masks. I also have very little confidence in lockdowns and the government picking winners and losers. In my town It was revealed a few months back that the local officials had the statistics that pointed to all of the infections occurring in the construction industry, and not bars and restaurants. This particular neo liberal establishment suppressed those numbers continued to crack down on the bars and restaurants that were going out of business daily, and did absolutely zero about the construction industry. Now there are conspiracies about lucrative real estate shady dealing etc. I don’t want to doxx myself, but these bars and restaurants property value is crazy high. And the impediment of the construction industry would majorly hurt the cities bottom line/growth. It makes us feel that this has nothing to do with public health at all. If you wanna know details dm me Jess. I was a bit of a covidcel before this and picking some ID doctors Brains tbh
 
There are different interpretations of freedom. And freedom isn't generally the goal in its own right, human interests are the goal.

I mean, there's no point in prioritizing freedom if everybody dies and there's noone there to enjoy it. Now I'm not saying that this situation with covid is remotely like that hypothetical, it's just to illustrate that freedom is a way to archive a goal, it's not the goal in itself.

The goal is the creation of the best possible human society, in the interests of human beings.

What I'm saying is that covid19 and trump and the last 4 years have brought into doubt my belief in a conventional American philosophy of freedom, and got my wondering if the more Australian idea of freedom that in the past I've always disagreed with might be a better way to run society.
 
I feel that, like more of philosophical difference. Different strokes, different folx etc.. I personally just hate authoritarian governments. If I can’t do as I please and stockpile weapons I don’t likely wanna live there lol. But that’s why we have the freedom of travel, you can even move within states for a different experience. I just want everyone to live how they want to, as long as they aren’t harming others’. Covid has been exaggerated for political purposes, but it’s still something serious. I’d Australia is somewhere that fits your needs, more power to you. It’s just not for me, I’m always going to be anti establishment/authority.
 
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