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deficiT said:
I'm not denying science I just said it's tried but still all theory and just a way for us to understand the universe and could be based on human error; flawed logic; or the reception of a message; like what happens in history all the time.

Doesn't mean you can't prove some science; but you can't really disprove God either aside from being like "AHHH SCIENCE LOGIC" for 6 threads

And then dying for nothing when its done and going nowhere

There is a peace you get from faith that neither of you could possibly understand because you've already closed your mind to it.

Science doesn't explain everything and God can't be disproved either. Full Stop.
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You're right it is a theory, but what if you have witnessed things that make you believe in it. Life is soo rare and unique it's hard to tell what energies dwell out there
 
I've been down plenty of rabbit holes and studied all manner of theology and science;

Came out the other side being more at peace w/ faith

Then the cold dead logic of base level human understanding of the past couple years of our existence;

Go figure
 
deficiT said:
Duh I looked in a telescope and couldn't see God so there couldn't possibly be a higher power
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Dude the concept of life outside of life is what I was trying to get. What if outer space is just one Giant cell in another "Living Organism" this is a theory of course, but non of us will know the Truth till we die. SO why argue about it?
 
Coxenormous said:
I can take you down the rabbit hole with this strong belief you have. It's ok it's freedom of choice, I'm not here to judge, But I see that strong grip and not letting go no matter what facts are thrown at you is Religious Grip it has on you. I look to the sky, I don't see a "God" I see an unlimited void of life. There is life in our own bodies called cells and we are God to these cells. What if we are just organisms in an unlimited void of life
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We are.

As to the rabbit hole, many have tried and they, unfortunately, fail.

I argue to lose as that is when a debater actually wins, as he will learn something new.

If you can make me lose on a point, I would have a big thanks for you.

Regards
DL
 
Coxenormous said:
You're right it is a theory, but what if you have witnessed things that make you believe in it. Life is soo rare and unique it's hard to tell what energies dwell out there
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That's extremely possible and you're exactly right. No one can say for certain and to claim to know exactly how the universe works is the lame musings of a fool pretending divinity.

I claim nothing but my own faith.
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
We are.

As to the rabbit hole, many have tried and they, unfortunately, fail.

I argue to lose as that is when a debater actually wins, as he will learn something new.

If you can make me lose on a point, I would have a big thanks for you.

Regards
DL
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I took a dive... Crawled back up with information
 
All i know is i dont know

Aint yall ever heard Socrates or whoever said that shit
 
deficiT said:
That's extremely possible and you're exactly right. No one can say for certain and to claim to know exactly how the universe works is the lame musings of a fool pretending divinity.

I claim nothing but my own faith.
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Let's not always look to religion to solve all our problems because if there is a God he's probably saying "Man up, You little bitch" there's just too many of us or one source of Power to control everyones behavior it's why tragic things happen all the time
 
Lol never be friends with someone who is also friends with your enemies *cough* Jesus *cough* that’s one way of putting it ;)
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
Nature, obviously?

I understand the situation. I fail to see the problem.

We are tribal by nature and all a religion is is a tribe.

Things are as they are because we are instinct driven to compete to show our fitness. We use our tribes to war so much due to that instinctual penchant.

It is demonstrable that we live in the best of all possible worlds, given our history. Try to see it.
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Let me speak to the lie of Gnostic Christians hating matter.

I wrote this to refute the false notion that Gnostic Christians do not like matter and reality that the inquisitors propagated to justify their many murders of my religions originators. It shows that Christians should actually hate matter and not Gnostic Christians.

The Christian reality.
1 John 2:15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Gen 3; 17 Thou shalt not eat of it; cursed is the ground for thy sake; in toil shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.

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The Gnostic Christian reality.
Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.

[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"
"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.

Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?

Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.

Regards
DL
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That is an interesting and very insightful observation about life and reality and people’s instinctual nature to compete and form tribes.

But to respond to your original post, where exactly does it say that sin is a good thing? Not that I disagree, that is also an idea that I would lean more towards given that resistance to sin only causes more sin and more resistance within yourself so giving into fear of sin is actually counterproductive and perpetuates suffering in people’s lives rather than alleviates it.

But where exactly does it say that in any scripture or religion? That’s the first I’ve heard of someone speak of sin like that especially in the context of religious/theological discussion. Is it a concept that runs through your gnostic sect or something??
 
Inherited sin is a given. Can be used as a benchmark for daily attempt at improvement, or as an excuse for bad behavior.
Morals are developed from surroundings and examples while growing up, you’re not born with them.
An agnostic is simply a chickenshit atheist it’s, hedging his/ her bets.
If you believe the Bible, then you understand that the shit show in which we live ( the entire earth, mankind as a whole) and have always lived since the garden expulsion, is due to Gods relinquishing rule over man to give answer to Satans challenge of Gods right to rule.
Mankind has tried every type of self government, all with the same outcome. Someone gets the short end of the stick. Greed takes over. Self interest.
To accept the unknown, to live by faith, is difficult in a vacuum. Let alone in a world geared towards instant gratification. Remember that you only have one life to dedicate to whatever God you worship. Choose carefully.
 
Coxenormous said:
Another thing that Literally blows my mind is the fact. They believed God put the seed of Jesus in Mary, Nah, they had booze back then too you know. She got drunk on a one night stand. And Jesus must of been giving people Acid because he was changing and healing all kinds of shit.
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It's entirely possible that 'virgin' conception, I.e. conception without intercourse, was already known during Jesus' time, as would 'dying' from a dose of something like datura, then 'waking' from the dead 3 days later, Jesus eventually dying of his wounds from crucifixion days or weeks later. As far as I'm concerned Jesus's crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension is entirely plausible without divine intervention, especially given that Israel was on the verge of being wiped off the map, and millions of Jews murdered. Its always fun and snarky to play word games and sophist sleight of hand to put the Old Testament and New Testament down, but not so funny when you remember just how many tens of millions of Jews have died in the name of Israel, something I'm sure the 'gnostic christians', I.e. Roman neoplatonists, could care less about.

What's so funny about 'gnostic christians' is that they literally cannot exist without the OT and NT to bag on, they really are professional judeo-christian critics, endlessly decrying 'evil yahweh' and the church's fake Jesus, because, at the end of the day, they have nothing else to talk about.
 
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ovenbakedskittles said:
That is an interesting and very insightful observation about life and reality and people’s instinctual nature to compete and form tribes.

But to respond to your original post, where exactly does it say that sin is a good thing? Not that I disagree, that is also an idea that I would lean more towards given that resistance to sin only causes more sin and more resistance within yourself so giving into fear of sin is actually counterproductive and perpetuates suffering in people’s lives rather than alleviates it.

But where exactly does it say that in any scripture or religion? That’s the first I’ve heard of someone speak of sin like that especially in the context of religious/theological discussion. Is it a concept that runs through your gnostic sect or something??
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Thanks for the compliments.

Gnostic Christianity does not agree often with the bible or Christianity but in this case we agree. The Exsultet hymn says that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary. It is when you consider our evolution and how losers to competition will think evil has befallen them.

Christians have forgotten how to do their apologetics on this. The logic is that without sin, there would be no laws to regulate the level of sin. Religions are all about laws or rules for us. Take away sin and you have no need of laws and commandments.

Other than that, I do not think sins are shown in scriptures to have much value or be good.

Consider though how the Jews originally and still see Eden as where man was elevated and not where we fell. They do not see Original Sin. They see Original Virtue.

dish.andrewsullivan.com

The Original Meaning Of Original Sin

In an overview of Judaism and Christianity, Kenan Malik contrasts their understandings of evil and sin: The story of Adam and Eve, and of the serpent in the Garden of Eden, was, of course, original…
dish.andrewsullivan.com dish.andrewsullivan.com

Regards
DL
 
wudbutcher said:
Inherited sin is a given. Can be used as a benchmark for daily attempt at improvement, or as an excuse for bad behavior.
Morals are developed from surroundings and examples while growing up, you’re not born with them.
An agnostic is simply a chickenshit atheist it’s, hedging his/ her bets.
If you believe the Bible, then you understand that the shit show in which we live ( the entire earth, mankind as a whole) and have always lived since the garden expulsion, is due to Gods relinquishing rule over man to give answer to Satans challenge of Gods right to rule.
Mankind has tried every type of self government, all with the same outcome. Someone gets the short end of the stick. Greed takes over. Self interest.
To accept the unknown, to live by faith, is difficult in a vacuum. Let alone in a world geared towards instant gratification. Remember that you only have one life to dedicate to whatever God you worship. Choose carefully.
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Other than your first comment. you are so far off the mark that I doubt that I can straighten out your thinking.

Let me try with two links that destroy what you put about our moral sense, that we are born with, and another link to show you how you cannot see the greater good we demonstrate in reality.





If you got it, here is a link that ends with stats that show just how good we are doing in reducing the markers for evils that you named. It is likely TLDR if you did not believe and understand the first two links.



Regards
DL
 
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