Existence without consent

[Jabberwocky]

I never asked to be thrust into this dimensional reality. I never gave any sort of consent for existence.

Does this release me from obligations and expectations such as morality? What sort of implications does this have?

I guess nothing wanted to exist in the first place, it just does. Did God will itself into existence?

Did the big bang will itself into existence? I've always pondered what existed before the big bang. The singularity existed, what created the singularity? If God created it, who created God? If everything is just an infinite fractal what created it?

WHAT IS THE MEANING OF ALL THIS DRAMA?

 

[deficiT]

I never asked to be thrust into this dimensional reality. I never gave any sort of consent for existence.

Does this release me from obligations and expectations such as morality? What sort of implications does this have?

I guess nothing wanted to exist in the first place, it just does. Did God will itself into existence?

Did the big bang will itself into existence? I've always pondered what existed before the big bang. The singularity existed, what created the singularity? If God created it, who created God? If everything is just an infinite fractal what created it?

WHAT IS THE MEANING OF ALL THIS DRAMA?

Yeah, being thrust into consciousness is pretty unpleasant. I've certainly loathed it at times.

I've recently decided to try and ignore a lot of this drama, just be the best person I can be and help people when I can, and achieve whatever happiness I can. It's simple but sounds like good practice to me.

 

[Gormur]

I think it's possible that existence isn't linear and neither is time. Consciousness might be exclusive to worldly beings, so that we're stuck here so to speak

Quite often I feel like I can live as my ancestors. Part of that may be knowing about them in real life so I know their names and histories, but it's surreal at times. I even tend to think I'm someone from another time; maybe not necessarily back in time but a different time that hasn't been looked at

My answer is that I think it's a complex issue as everybody (possibly) came here under different circumstances

 

[drug_mentor]

I never asked to be thrust into this dimensional reality. I never gave any sort of consent for existence.

Does this release me from obligations and expectations such as morality? What sort of implications does this have?

Personally, I don't think your lack of consent has any philosophically interesting implications. Insofar as morality is a social phenomenon, and your social contemporaries also did not give consent for their existence, it's hard to imagine why this lack of consent would release you from any moral obligations.

I guess nothing wanted to exist in the first place, it just does. Did God will itself into existence?

Wouldn't God's ability to "will itself into existence" presuppose the existence of God's will (and therefore God)?

Did the big bang will itself into existence? I've always pondered what existed before the big bang. The singularity existed, what created the singularity? If God created it, who created God? If everything is just an infinite fractal what created it?

The big bang is an event, not an agent. Thus, it did not will anything. I am no theologian, but to my mind, most coherent accounts of God will deny that God was created. Rather, the existence of God is necessary, and thus has always been. On this view, the question 'who created God?' is borderline incoherent. Of course, this account raises interesting questions as to whether the notion of an omnipotent God is coherent.

 

[Gormur]

Or, one could say, let's suppose God created Earth and the heavens. Then who gave life to it?

 

[LGV9000]

Philosophy 101 fried my brain in college.

 

[Asante]

I never asked to be thrust into this dimensional reality. I never gave any sort of consent for existence.

You don't know that. You don't recall what happened in death. Near Death Experience survivors insist we do choose our lives.

Does this release me from obligations and expectations such as morality?

Not in ANY way. When in Rome, do as the Romans. When Human, act the part.

I guess nothing wanted to exist in the first place, it just does. Did God will itself into existence?
Did the big bang will itself into existence?

We are all pieces of God from when God loved Himself to pieces in the Big Bang event.
We wanted this.

I've always pondered what existed before the big bang. The singularity existed, what created the singularity?

Entropy reversal created the Singularity out of the Nothing that remained after the Big Rip. When the Big Rip makes it that the Universe only is One Thing, it collapses into a point of infinite density because One Thing has no defined size. Doing so however, that collapse, foamed up the Void of All Things with supatomic particles again and thus, a Big Bang ensued.

If God created it, who created God?

More clearly, what is God? The Totality of all Energy and Information. It has always been and will always be, in perpetual motion.

If everything is just an infinite fractal what created it?

Accept that there always was *everything* and there always will BE *everything, no beginning, no end.

For there to be an eternal dance of energies, it must have been always and will be always. Theres no outside of Everything to create it from.

WHAT IS THE MEANING OF ALL THIS DRAMA?

Everything exists so that every single thing can exist. The totality of everything hinges of every single thing. That makes both you and the grain of sand between your toenail, each, the Center of the Multiverse and God Himself.


Now you have gotten answers. |
Are you grateful?
Probably not one iota.,
You were probably undermining it while you read it.
Isn't Philosophy grand?
Eternal torture of What Ifs while we havent even explained 85% of the mass of the universe.

Take a $10 or €10 bill, go into the street and give it to a homeless person.
Give your mom a call in the old folks home.
Photoshop that Trump Chlorox IV Drip meme and send it to your friends
Be awesome to others and to yourself today.
Like the Hokey Pokey, that's what it's all about.

You got your precious answers and refused to accept them as setting you free from your self chosen torture.
Have some Mistress paddle your ass raw in a BDSM dungeon, much more fulfilling masochism than philosophy.

 

[JessFR]

God can't have willed itself into existence, since it's logically contradictory.

It's a little like saying God can make 2=3. It's so meaningless as to not be worth thinking about. So alien as to be irrelevant.

As for your moral constraints. No you didn't choose to exist, but that doesn't release you from any moral constraints. It just means life's not fair. Which it isn't.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

jess how do you know we haven't chosen to exist. These questions all have answers and i believe OP already knows the answer that yes we choose these lives to grow in whatever way we knew before going in. How do i know this? Direct experince from almost dying and other intense near death experinces i have almost drowned as a teen, Then psychedelics came along and doses that few have chosen to do with hundreds of trips.

The question would be better asked about reality or god did god choose to exist well this question is pointless. Reality has always existed this is the infinite nothingness western philopshy fails and thinks nothingness is a void well acutally a object of nothing is everything aka infinity because it has no boundaries or limits its still something in the end and this is what it looks like. A deeper look is that the source underlying all of reality is acutally some divine spark of energy that is love believe it or not. Love comes in all forms and even hurts. Clinging attachment to this illusion is suffering bliss transcends all forms. It truly is possible to be blissed out 24/7 like a enlightened guru if you work at it beyond drugs.

We each choose these lives to grow to play to suffer everything because its a an escape from been infinite which is a bit much sometimes. When you realize the terror of been a eternal being with no end alone you created this universe out of love for yourself and forgot. The beauty of death is that sweet release and remembering then doing it all over again in another life repeat til humanity reaches it conclusion like the dinosaurs etc. A endless eternal dance grasping anything as big as the infinite reality is such going to be sheer suffering so sit back and dissolve into the formless brahma and transcend joy pain suffering and experince bliss of the true self.

Learn and become more intelligent study the sciences to understand gods craftsmanship the miracles of creation are endless. A natural scientist eventually becomes a mystic as you go deeper and deeper to truth even science leads to god. Now we all have our bitter differences to pick with god which is acutally us ourselves we put ourselves through so much pain but this is temporary and you will come to understand on death the beauty of the grand adventure and realize you want to live and do it all again and learn more feel everything you can.

Life been fair or not is illogical question. Since life in the end is an illusion and not the true state of reality but a dream we are under. The beauty of it all is when you finally realize there is nobody else but you the oneness divine out of the odds of everything you are the fucking supreme reality aka god and you are bliss in true nature. Life is a long dream maybe god could of been easier on itself instead of putting itself through so much pain so the love means something amazing.

 

[Gormur]

God can't have willed itself into existence, since it's logically contradictory.

It's a little like saying God can make 2=3. It's so meaningless as to not be worth thinking about. So alien as to be irrelevant.

As for your moral constraints. No you didn't choose to exist, but that doesn't release you from any moral constraints. It just means life's not fair. Which it isn't.

I just play along and see if it adds up. All right, God came before life but nowhere does it say that He exists. If existence is a part of life, then we may only exist partially anyway. God brought about the existence of angels, then humans, animals, insects and microscopic lifeforms. Whether or not He actually gave life to any of these beings is the question to which there's no answer anywhere

Let's assume God is existence itself. That still doesn't tell us whether or not we exist, so imagine that the only thing that exists is what we see/experience. That could be a god but doesn't really require a name to be

 

[sdxyln]

I. Appearance and reality are separate although the two can possibly merge into one and have but a momentary union.
II. Knowledge of reality is outside our forms of knowing.
III. All signs point that life would have better not be.
III. When alive, harm no one, be compassionate.
IV. Gad is the subject's object and the object's Knower.
V. To live fully devoid of joy or reason.

 

[sonicwhite]

Gods out of the box of time, we have compartments for everything, but for where He is it’s like time stands still in bliss.

when we die, we go to a intermittent state. Either in Gods Glory or hades.

Hades you’ll be completely void of existence. After the first resurrection and the thousand yr reign a unbeliever will be raised. In His mortal body with all the thought actions deeds whether good or bad. Their books are opened up and whatever sins you have committed will be revealed to the entire universe.

For a believer in Christ God fuses with them in Glory until the First resurrection.
It’s a wonderful promise that God is eternal and wants you to join in that, you have free will yet you don’t have free will. A slave to sin is just that, a slave. But you can make a choice to be set free by the power of God.


it’s not a cake walk, every pain Christ’s experience you’ll experience. You’ll be hated by all nations.
Sounds fun right(sarcasm) but what I’m trying to say is these are the elements of existence.

if there where no moral laws then why have laws at all. There is even order in destruction. It can only do so much then it burns outs

My friend it has taken nearly fifteen years to understand who Jesus really is. To take my place, how in the world can I use His Name as a excuse to sin?


I’ve been broken down, my pride crushed. I barely get tempted w the things I used to.

when I first got saved lust was gripping me tightly, it was awful. But now I see after a twelve year purge how God has delivered me, there are things I still deal with, and a rebuke or hit with the rod ain’t fun. God is more concerned about my character rather my comfort.
Hope this kinda answers your question

 

[Gormur]

Gods out of the box of time, we have compartments for everything, but for where He is it’s like time stands still in bliss.

I think time is circular rather than linear, so this makes sense to me. Angels and demons keep track of time but they aren't bound by time like humans are

when we die, we go to a intermittent state. Either in Gods Glory or hades.

Definitely not, Biblically at least. I think Hades is from the Ancient Greek religion, but I guess I'll assume you mean Hell

Hades you’ll be completely void of existence. After the first resurrection and the thousand yr reign a unbeliever will be raised. In His mortal body with all the thought actions deeds whether good or bad. Their books are opened up and whatever sins you have committed will be revealed to the entire universe.

Hm. I think you're talking about Revelation where the dead rise from their graves. This has to do with renewed bodies when the Heavens open up on Earth and spiritual warfare begins

For a believer in Christ God fuses with them in Glory until the First resurrection.
It’s a wonderful promise that God is eternal and wants you to join in that, you have free will yet you don’t have free will. A slave to sin is just that, a slave. But you can make a choice to be set free by the power of God.

What's the first resurrection?

it’s not a cake walk, every pain Christ’s experience you’ll experience. You’ll be hated by all nations.
Sounds fun right(sarcasm) but what I’m trying to say is these are the elements of existence.

Maybe they would be for God but they don't define my existence (or lack thereof)

if there where no moral laws then why have laws at all. There is even order in destruction. It can only do so much then it burns outs

We don't need laws. It's just tradition. I wouldn't say that it's bad to have some laws though

My friend it has taken nearly fifteen years to understand who Jesus really is. To take my place, how in the world can I use His Name as a excuse to sin?

I never understood what it meant to use somebody's name in vain. I still don't, but I enjoy reading what you wrote


I’ve been broken down, my pride crushed. I barely get tempted w the things I used to.

when I first got saved lust was gripping me tightly, it was awful. But now I see after a twelve year purge how God has delivered me, there are things I still deal with, and a rebuke or hit with the rod ain’t fun. God is more concerned about my character rather my comfort.
Hope this kinda answers your question

Sorry about the italics for quotes. I don't know what I'm doing

 

[ovenbakedskittles]

If you believe in a higher self then the answer is easy. The problem is people think there is nothing out there other then what they see physically ever since they were born so it looks like we were just thrust into it.

We can have a deeper awareness that we are not conscious of that existed before this physical body was born. A force much wiser and less doubtful and fearful than our ego selves are. You are speaking from the ego and that’s why it seems like you didn’t give consent but if you were to become conscious of yourself and conscious of your free will then you realize that you chose this life with these specific circumstances and factors so that you can overcome them and evolve and gain knowledge. We are born into a world of determinism and generational traumas so naturally we will take on the mindset that the universe inflicts on us without our consent and that we can do nothing about it but the truth is you have more control over your physical existence than you think.

People are in resistance to the “drama” which is why “drama”perpetuates. We see it as a bad thing instead of something that we can gain knowledge and understanding out of and help build our character and our confidence and wisdom.

You choose not to remember your higher self and your past lives because then you wouldn’t be able to feel all of the emotions and immerse yourself in the illusion of society and of your current life so as to gain knowledge and perspective from that illusional experience. We wouldn’t be able to focus on this physical life if we are bombarded and overwhelmed by the millions of lives we have experienced before this life and all the experiences we had in those other lives. We wouldn’t be able to function in society and it wouldn’t do any good if everyone was like that. Although some souls choose not to forget and that is why we have psychics and gurus and people who are schizophrenic and stuff like that even though most people think they are bullshit or that they are just delusional or crazy.

It is all just a game that we play to expand our awareness of the greater universe and to learn about things like love and freedom and kindness and unity. And we can wake up out of that if we choose to if we believe that we can. But most people choose not to believe in it because they are traumatized by religion and are afraid of looking like a dumbass or feeling like they have been tricked or brainwash. It is all just fear though and once you overcome that fear you will be conscious of that higher awareness.

And because religion was the only outlet to spirituality for such a long time we are so used to the idea that god is all knowing and all powerful and that has caused us to be misunderstood and skeptical of god. But god is trying to gain knowledge just like we are and I don’t think god himself knows what created him or where he came from or what he is. It’s possible he could just be infinite and therefore rendering it pointless to even ponder on that question of “if god created the universe then who created god?”. It makes no sense to ask what created infinity. It was just always there. I think we are so used to things being linear and having a beginning and end that we dont realize or understand that.

Even though I do believe he knows everything in relation to this particular multiverse and all of its potentials, god is not exempt from not knowing things that haven’t been created by him yet and the possibilities that can come out of those creations. And he is also not exempt from the process of becoming more and more aware of a potentially infinite never ending journey of becoming more and more self conscious and gaining more knowledge. In the same way that we become more aware of ourselves and the world around us throughout our lifetime and we are introduced to new ideas that completely change the way we see things and make us feel like there are more possibilities in life than we previously believed.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Main problem with this kind of inquiry is what I call "measuring the instrument problem". Reality can not be put into words (or anything that has begining, an structrure with parts and an end) so every attempt to explain it will lead you into the language trap. You will be spelled by spelling, so to speak.

Similarly, the microscope does not reflect the reality, it reflects it's own structure. Scale does not measure reality, it measures it's own structure in relationship to whatever it comes to. In fact every instrument basically measures itself, what is measured is already firmly bound by the structure of the instrument.

Even though words can be very amusing they are very constricted and firmly organised instrument. That is why one always gets to paradox extremely fast if words are used as the instrument of measuring and then conveying reality.

My conclusion is that only the instrument itself can be measured and that "what is/unknown/reality/life/...use your term" is inexhaustible and ultimately unmeasurable.

 

[Gormur]

Maybe life is merely one form of existence out of many, so coming here could simply be a chance occurrence

One may ask, well how did we get here (in the beginning)? Why couldn't it be that we've always been here? We're a part of this world, after all

 

[December Flower]

I never asked to be thrust into this dimensional reality. I never gave any sort of consent for existence.

Does this release me from obligations and expectations such as morality? What sort of implications does this have?

I guess nothing wanted to exist in the first place, it just does. Did God will itself into existence?

Did the big bang will itself into existence? I've always pondered what existed before the big bang. The singularity existed, what created the singularity? If God created it, who created God? If everything is just an infinite fractal what created it?

WHAT IS THE MEANING OF ALL THIS DRAMA?

If you look at the structure of atoms and electrons, infinitesimal, in comparison to the structure of stars and planets, astronomical.

The pattern is always the same. Likely we're just tiny bacteria living inside cells of an even bigger body we perceive as the entire universe, just like lice would perceive the dog they're sitting on as the entire universe.

Kind of freaky, but I like it. I function so the universe doesn't get a heart attack.

 

[Foreigner]

There is no you, just a projection that calls itself "I" with a bunch of discursive narratives layered on top of a faulty premise.

It's like a video game character bitching about being alive. You flip the switch and it was never there.

Our lives are short and infinitesimal. It's all one mass identification swirling around like gnats buzzing in a sunbeam, until the sun goes out and the gnats are gone. Then eventually all the disidentification takes place when "you" die.

 

[Gormur]

Really, I feel like my life goes by slowly and is very long. When I was a boy I'd sit around and daydream and I was told I was highly intelligent before I started school. I don't know if intelligence has anything to do with thinking that life is long and seems to go on forever. That's just how it seems to me and I never understood why people say here today, gone tomorrow when tomorrow seems like it's so far into the future

 

[December Flower]

Really, I feel like my life goes by slowly and is very long. When I was a boy I'd sit around and daydream and I was told I was highly intelligent before I started school. I don't know if intelligence has anything to do with thinking that life is long and seems to go on forever. That's just how it seems to me and I never understood why people say here today, gone tomorrow when tomorrow seems like it's so far into the future

How old are you? In my experience, the way we perceive time changes the older we get. While quite dilated at a young age, it changes over time. As I am progressing through time I feel like it runs faster and faster, the further I progress.