Election 2020 The Final Countdown v. Nov. 3rd

[Jabberwocky]

I didn't vote the primary because the lines were too long, hopefully I can get my ballot and asap. I usually vote on a few things during an election year, but not everything on the ballot, as a no party affiliation voter.

 

[JessFR]

There are always three plus the VP debate. Last night was a tie neither of them gained anything. People keep saying Trump wouldn't allow Biden to speak but I looked at the times and Trump only spoke 2 more minutes than Biden. He got the 2 extra minutes somewhere in the middle to respond to something Biden said. Biden was doing his share of interruptions.

The debates don't really matter. With the mass mail-in voting neither side is going to accept the results.

How much time Biden spent speaking is irrelevant if trump talked over most of it.

I agree though that these debates are pretty meaningless.

 

[cduggles]

I’m with Dana Bash that the debate was a “shitshow”. I can’t imagine what the next one will be like. Actually, what I picture is Trump screaming over Biden when his mic is cut off.

I’m actually looking forward to the VP debate, which I wasn’t before.

 

[phenethylo J]

Put two big screens on the stage and have each of them speak into web cams from separate room; temporarily mute the feed if someone speaks out of turn.


problems solved

 

[alasdairm]

^ yep - absolutely.

alasdair

 

[Deru]

I seriously laughed when I saw this:

Trump scored 'historic victory' in first presidential debate, campaign adviser claims, Fox News

Keep on rallying your white supremacists, Trump.

 

[Deru]

Actually, what I picture is Trump screaming over Biden when his mic is cut off.

This 100%. I had the same thought when they started talking about cuttings mics. What an embarrassment Trump is making our country to keep appealing to the lowest common denominator of our society.

Trump once said the problem with other people is they forget and alienate their base, obviously he's not making that "mistake"

 

[mal3volent]

I doubt Trump will agree to the possibility of his mic being cut. If he does, he will probably just walk off the stage or something when it happens. Make a political stunt out of it. Fake news trying to censor him, etc etc.

 

[Deru]

I doubt Trump will agree to the possibility of his mic being cut. If he does, he will probably just walk off the stage or something when it happens. Make a political stunt out of it. Fake news trying to censor him, etc etc.

I just read something that they're going to do it regardless if either party agrees and will inform them of the new rules (if, in fact, that's what they decide to do.)

 

[TheInvisibleStoner]

Lets see what he does with WI. Governor said to stay away or require masks. He is digging his own grave slowly.

 

[cduggles]

Apparently most of the Trumps took off their masks during the debate, and a doctor requested that’s they put them back on, but it didn’t happen. So I guess they’re above all the rules.

Here’s a link to a story about it: https://heavy.com/news/trump-family-masks-presidential-debate/

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Biden was doing his share of interruptions.

I heard on the radio that Biden interrupted Trump about 60-something times, whereas Trump interrupted Biden about 140-ish times? Also noted, the first to interrupt someone was Biden, who did it three times before Trump got to interrupt Biden.

Someone also noted, with Biden not answering questions, Biden appeared to be speaking to America (the camera) = trying to get his message out, as opposed to going back and forth with Trump (which Trump would obviously prefer). I can't say, I haven't watched, don't know if I will.


[quote[The debates don't really matter. With the mass mail-in voting neither side is going to accept the results.
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Fully agree. Most minds are made up on whom they will vote for, the debates won't really change it. There was potential for either candidate to lose votes, but it seems both were trying to set the bar lower than their opponent....neither was really bringing voters to their side. And with the mail-ins, you are fully correct people will not accept the results, no matter what election night indicates or the late count mail-ins. Q4 will be in the courts.

 

[cduggles]

neither was really bringing voters to their side.

I did watch the whole fiasco and you should because can see how aggressive Trump was vs Biden. It’s not even in the same ballpark. You can look at the numbers, but you have to see it to really get the dynamic, I think.

Biden had a number of moments appealing to the American public, although it was really overshadowed by Trump.

Biden could have appealed to some voters, while Trump was really only speaking to his base. Trump certainly didn’t win over suburban women or seniors.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Trump certainly didn’t win over suburban women or seniors.

I'm not sure you want to share your personal demographics on a web site, do you?

 

[cduggles]

I'm not sure you want to share your personal demographics on a web site, do you?

I’m a demographic unto myself.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah Biden's interruptions of Trump were often very brief and consisted of "oh my god" and snorts and stuff (not all), or him appealing to the moderator to make him quit interrupting him. That said I wasn't impressed by either one, and both spent the majority of their time bad-mouthing the other. But truly, Trump's behavior was outrageous. You know it's bad when the moderator is a Fox News anchor, who had to literally scold and yell at the president repeatedly.

Trump called on his right wing militias to stand back and stand by for the election results. Which I don't care who you are or how you see things, that should be deeply concerning.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Trump called on his right wing militias to stand back and stand by for the election results.

I did catch that clip, and the clarifications made afterward (because, you know, speaking with clarity is his specialty). Trump asked the moderator to specify what extremist groups needed to be disavowed, and the group names was 'Proud Boys'. He has stated afterward that he doesn't even know who they are = in part, I can see Trump being that oblivious; in part, I have trouble with the left claiming Trump is a raving racist idiot (I agree at times on the idiot part) and in the same breath giving him credit for knowing on top of all the groups - either he knows nothing or knows everything. Moving past if he knows that particular group or not, I think it was a bit of baiting by Trump to not jump out with a group name but to have Wallace/Biden name the groups. It saves Trump from shoving his foot in his mouth fully on his own, but it also makes Wallace/Biden specify who they are looking to have disavowed. I think Trump was waiting to see if they'd name BLM or Antifa as well, as has been noted nobody from the left has said they condemn either group by name, despite all the violence in major American cities by these groups. Remind us, btw, which cities are under siege and burning from the Proud Boys, please?

“stand back and stand by.” Whether Trump knows the group or not, his words were not a signal or rally cry, it was a general 'cease and desist' statement. Trump has clarified since 'let law enforcement do their work' was his message and intent. Something that applies to any white supremacist group, as well as BLM or Antifa. You know, something along the lines of Biden's generic condemnation of violence (again, Biden does so without naming anyone specific). This aligns with Trumps recent $500B exec order to build up black communities and labels both BLM and KKK as terrorist organizations. wait....was that a clear disavowing of a white supremacy organization? Why, yes, I believe it was.

 

[JessFR]

I heard on the radio that Biden interrupted Trump about 60-something times, whereas Trump interrupted Biden about 140-ish times? Also noted, the first to interrupt someone was Biden, who did it three times before Trump got to interrupt Biden.

I just rewatched the first part of the debate, and I assume they are talking about quick responses biden gave as trump was speaking during the open discussion part of the debate after the first question.

Bidens allowed to give responses in that part of the debate, it's open discussion, Though one can argue if it even properly should be open discussion at that point. The moderator never got to actually declare open discussion, Trump just starts talking the moment bidens 2 minutes expired after the first question, pretty much starting open discussion on his own.

The first instance of someone outright saying whole sentences over someone else trying to speak is trump during that open discussion.

But lets say that's all fair enough.

Personally I would say the first section of the debate is.. mostly acceptable from both sides, neither going egregiously over the line.

Following that first segment, trump starts arguing with wallace when he tries to ask his health care question. You could call that the first interruption, but again it's not during the 2 minute exclusive period.

The first solid example of someone talking over someones exclusive 2 minute period appears to be Trump talking over Biden in the health care question approximately 12 minutes into the debate.

Regardless of who started it though, there's no question watching the debate that Trump is the problem. He's the one literally arguing with the Wallace instead of Biden because he can't seem to tolerate letting the moderator ask the question without immediately retorting.

No doubt Biden did some interrupting too. But what exactly is he supposed to do? If he stays silent that'll just be playing into Trumps sleepy joe image.

 

[cduggles]

He has stated afterward that he doesn't even know who they are = in part, I can see Trump being that oblivious

One would think Trump’s response would then immediately have been “I don’t know who they are”, but his reply seemed to indicate he knew exactly who they were and what they were about.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

One would think Trump’s response would then immediately have been “I don’t know who they are”, but his reply seemed to indicate he knew exactly who they were and what they were about.

He can't admit there's something he doesn't know. Have you ever seen him admit such? I have not. Instead, he has to hide his ignorance with bluster that may, or may not, be relevant to the topic so he can walk away feeling like he 'won' by making his point. Irrelevant or misguided as that point may be.