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Help from UK members needed regarding benzo script possibly being taken off me

3dmusic said:
I think its best to keep this thread on track, with the greatest of respect, it wasn't about politics.
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If money isn't a huge problem, maybe you could try that "Belgravia" private clinic some other poster already mentioned.
 
Requiem4adream said:
I know. That's what puts me off. I'm lucky as so called weak opiods r legal to buy online with a online Dr consultation.
People do though
The more time I have spent with medical professionals the more they drive me underground or alone
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Where can or what is the website that gives an online Dr's consultation many thanks..I'm having difficulties of my own obtaining opiates. Again thankyou
 
Fat2ie said:
Where can or what is the website that gives an online Dr's consultation many thanks..I'm having difficulties of my own obtaining opiates. Again thankyou
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Doesn’t exist anymore. A recent law change saw to the end of that.
 
I can't get an online appt. for months.
Need to ring up at 8am continually to get an appt. that day - Won't be able to get your regular GP either btw :cautious:
 
apocalypse_when said:
At least in my area in in North East of England, drug and alcohol services will flat out refuse to prescribe a benzo taper under any circumstances whatsoever. When you combine this with the fact that your GP won't prescribe benzos either unless in the most threatening circumstances then you're pretty much screwed.

During my recent stay in hospital I was prescribed 15 mg of diazepam a day for a condition called discitis which is an bacteria resistant infection deep inside the discs of your spine which is the most excruciatingly painful thing I've ever experienced in my life and is characterized by constant muscle spasms that have you shouting out in pain. However as soon as I got home the diazepam was discontinued immediately with no taper or anything. I just find it a little bit perplexing that they are willing to prescribe me 300 + mg of morphine a day yet 15 mg of diazepam is completely off-limits it's almost like these doctors think that benzos are the devil incarnate when ths is just so. Not that many years ago go perhaps 20-30 years ago go we were giving them out like Candy... the Medical Profession is really fucked up...
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Sorry for hacking this old Thread, but i feel this problem is now as pressing as ever. For old folks like me, on benzos +40y.a taper would be impossible bcuz our receptors are screwed ( GABA B i believe). I am sitting here front of store and chuggin a beer cuz i cant feel well off my opies without benzos, much.
At least for people like us from a time when benzos were prescribed very loosely, i remember getting Rohypnol with the promise of bringin a script. Putting us on Z- drugs aint gonna work!!! Off- topic,,i find the new BL look great!!👍 Someone really did good work on that!!! To Whoever- great Job!!!!👍👍👍
 
mokele said:
Sorry for hacking this old Thread, but i feel this problem is now as pressing as ever. For old folks like me, on benzos +40y.a taper would be impossible bcuz our receptors are screwed ( GABA B i believe). I am sitting here front of store and chuggin a beer cuz i cant feel well off my opies without benzos, much.
At least for people like us from a time when benzos were prescribed very loosely, i remember getting Rohypnol with the promise of bringin a script. Putting us on Z- drugs aint gonna work!!! Off- topic,,i find the new BL look great!!👍 Someone really did good work on that!!! To Whoever- great Job!!!!👍👍👍
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Don't be sorry, your receptors are not mushed, I've heard of people on hundreds of mgs recover, some of them using opiates.
Beers will just make things worse. GabaA receptors are the ones Benzos act on.
Don't do a rapid detox, not even at a facility, there are plenty of benzo friendly doctors who know how to get you off slowly and safely. I did a daily titration, using milk to dissolve valium, different Benzes need different solvents. PM me if you want more information.
 
3dmusic said:
Hi Noavevritas

I see my psych nurse tomorrow.
I will see what he has to say before I do anything.
I am going to bed now, but will read your post more thoroughly tomorrow as it deserves a decent reply.
I agree about tapering being cheaper than people turning up with seizures.

Hi
As promised here is my post after seeing my psych nurse.
I said that I was concerned about being sent to a drug agency and cited some cases of failed benzo tapers that I knew of.
I mentioned that maybe my psych could continue prescribing even if I was no longer part of the service.
I told him that my GP surgery don't prescribe benzos and refer patients to drug agencies and was concerned about interruption in supply.
i said in the nicest way possible that stopping my prescription would be breaching the law of informed consent.
I said it would be good if I could have reassurance in writing that my supply would not be interrupted and that I could taper at my own rate.
I said I didnt want to stay on the same dose a long time, and wanted to cut safely.
He said the discharge process is not a quick thing and that he would talk to his manager and the psychiatrist.
I am getting my next supply next Thursday.
The supply after that is due on 4th Jan and i expressed concern about christmas disruption, but he gave me the number of the psych hospital and said I could phone a couple of days early, as the psych said he liked me to phone 10 days before it was due.
So, it's just a case of waiting, I will be seeing him next week and hopefully he will have some good news.
As for private doctors, thanks for the idea, I did ring one a year or so ago, but he said he couldnt prescribe. Thanks for the idea though.
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Just be careful everyone pulling scripts with the " i want to taper eventually " card!
Ive seen this backfire bad on a gal who got 40moggies ( mogadon. U call em moggies i think)/ week. A very moderate dose. Went well 2y. when Mr.god in white seemed to suddenly remember and dosed her completely off in 2 months. With the supply otherways today she would be in ICU now. :-(
 
mokele said:
Just be careful everyone pulling scripts with the " i want to taper eventually " card!
Ive seen this backfire bad on a gal who got 40moggies ( mogadon. U call em moggies i think)/ week. A very moderate dose. Went well 2y. when Mr.god in white seemed to suddenly remember and dosed her completely off in 2 months. With the supply otherways today she would be in ICU now. :-(
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Taking someone off Benzes too quick or cold turkey is a death risk, I saw videos of prisoners seizing and dying due to cold turkey Benzes.
 
3dmusic said:
Don't be sorry, your receptors are not mushed, I've heard of people on hundreds of mgs recover, some of them using opiates.
Beers will just make things worse. GabaA receptors are the ones Benzos act on.
Don't do a rapid detox, not even at a facility, there are plenty of benzo friendly doctors who know how to get you off slowly and safely. I did a daily titration, using milk to dissolve valium, different Benzes need different solvents. PM me if you want more information.
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I would, once i got this figured out.
1.Thanks, your help is greatly appreciated.
2. I am too much a pussy for going off now,i was once after OD and one of the symptoms was a giant maggot eating its Way into me, i was secured to the bed, dunno why, but tore loose in sheer Horror and tore the wriggling beast out. Turned out it was the groin catheder, probably cuz of my " good " veins.
I was convinced being 24 stairs underground and that my parents had sold me to the military for testing. Nevermind the Docs flying round the room with fangs. And i promise you thats the light Version! I came out 4months later, never wanting to touch benzos again, going to weekly psychriatist visit. But i was soo nervous, i could hardly talk to anyone i didnt know very good..even then. Panic attacks, but they were not known back then.
One Day it was so bad i told myself 1 Diazepam, not more. Went to the open market, no vallies there but Rohypnol, Pentobarbs ( Medinox) etc. I CANT do that again! THEN yes! I was young and receptors recover, but NOW? If it was hell HELL!!!! like that with such a young age, what will it be NOW??? Sorry for the rant, you are a fine man!🥺 Wish you all
 
mokele said:
I would, once i got this figured out.
1.Thanks, your help is greatly appreciated.
2. I am too much a pussy for going off now,i was once after OD and one of the symptoms was a giant maggot eating its Way into me, i was secured to the bed, dunno why, but tore loose in sheer Horror and tore the wriggling beast out. Turned out it was the groin catheder, probably cuz of my " good " veins.
I was convinced being 24 stairs underground and that my parents had sold me to the military for testing. Nevermind the Docs flying round the room with fangs. And i promise you thats the light Version! I came out 4months later, never wanting to touch benzos again, going to weekly psychriatist visit. But i was soo nervous, i could hardly talk to anyone i didnt know very good..even then. Panic attacks, but they were not known back then.
One Day it was so bad i told myself 1 Diazepam, not more. Went to the open market, no vallies there but Rohypnol, Pentobarbs ( Medinox) etc. I CANT do that again! THEN yes! I was young and receptors recover, but NOW? If it was hell HELL!!!! like that with such a young age, what will it be NOW??? Sorry for the rant, you are a fine man!🥺 Wish you all
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OD sounds nasty. Traumatic. Sounds like paranoia from too rapid a detox, don't trust detox centres.
Gotta be careful with Benzes, staying on them causes rebound anxiety.
those extremes symptoms were because of too quick a detox.
Quick detoxes defeat the object as higher risk of relapse.
You can get off them just safely and slowly, go to benzobuddies.org forum
 
3dmusic said:
OD sounds nasty. Traumatic. Sounds like paranoia from too rapid a detox, don't trust detox centres.
Gotta be careful with Benzes, staying on them causes rebound anxiety.
those extremes symptoms were because of too quick a detox.
Quick detoxes defeat the object as higher risk of relapse.
You can get off them just safely and slowly, go to benzobuddies.org forum
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They didnt even test me for benzos when ambulance dropped me off as a OD, that was the worst stigma then! ( round 84) The head proff. even brought in his 11y old son to look at me, telling him thats what drugs do to you! I dont remember that, my dear Mum told me after. She slept on the wooden bench for 3days till they were pretty sure i wouldnt die.
They only tested for opies and " yep the bloody bastard is positive so lets let him go CT"). What they didnt know cuz they didnt test for it was that i was ( at that time) eating the old 2mg Rohypnol like smarties, 10 ( a blister) to get up, then brown n others and Nembutal i.v.,Medinox (seco- and cyclobarbital) about 20/ Day and vallies we bought in the German N3 packs = 50/pack.
I was treated so inhumane that i even fear to tell the whole horror! Wont interest anyone anyway but i fear being recognized. Only this:
I was strapped to the bedposts like a prisoner, but managed to TEAR ME OUT CUZ OF HORROR, horrible Horror that was like real like anyone reading this. I once experienced Datura intoxication, like that but worse since i was ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED i was sold for military experiments, panicking so bad to tear 3× through those hospital handcuffs, strapped naked to a bed in intensive care with other people. A dehumanized, hallucinating, sweating, cramping,subhuman wretch.
And they didnt try to ease it for me but make it as terrible as possible! Decades later i was with a sexy Doc ( i nearly dropped my cup when she said she works in that hospital) and she told me thats part of their anti-relapse Programm. I cant do that again!! And a taper?
I have 200 Roche Rivotril here, from Apotheke, Plus 36 Lorazepam ( my 6 Day script) . We talk benzos only yes? The Rivotril is for bad times, but i still take em to strength the MS er 1200mg/Day + brown ( i managed to stop shooting, it is possible, just go through 3 DVT, search hours for veins and have 1 Standard-never the neck ( since my wife died 30.5.20)
and we both never went femoral. So, please excuse my rant- HOW should a taper for me look like?? I was in the Dark Side few years ago. Is there hope for me? A taper over YEARS with constantly in mild WD????
If YOU see something I DONT PLEASE HELP cuz honestly, i think i missed that last train out, so to say! Thanks for everyone who stuck through reading this!!! May you be blessed! No matter your believe!!!
Mo
 
^ If you are genuinely taking that kind of dose(s) and not showing off for whatever reason, it's going to end one way and it won't be sunshine and lollipops I'm afraid. You seriously need to seek help to reduce, maintain and then abstain.
 
mokele said:
They didnt even test me for benzos when ambulance dropped me off as a OD, that was the worst stigma then! ( round 84) The head proff. even brought in his 11y old son to look at me, telling him thats what drugs do to you! I dont remember that, my dear Mum told me after. She slept on the wooden bench for 3days till they were pretty sure i wouldnt die.
They only tested for opies and " yep the bloody bastard is positive so lets let him go CT"). What they didnt know cuz they didnt test for it was that i was ( at that time) eating the old 2mg Rohypnol like smarties, 10 ( a blister) to get up, then brown n others and Nembutal i.v.,Medinox (seco- and cyclobarbital) about 20/ Day and vallies we bought in the German N3 packs = 50/pack.
I was treated so inhumane that i even fear to tell the whole horror! Wont interest anyone anyway but i fear being recognized. Only this:
I was strapped to the bedposts like a prisoner, but managed to TEAR ME OUT CUZ OF HORROR, horrible Horror that was like real like anyone reading this. I once experienced Datura intoxication, like that but worse since i was ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED i was sold for military experiments, panicking so bad to tear 3× through those hospital handcuffs, strapped naked to a bed in intensive care with other people. A dehumanized, hallucinating, sweating, cramping,subhuman wretch.
And they didnt try to ease it for me but make it as terrible as possible! Decades later i was with a sexy Doc ( i nearly dropped my cup when she said she works in that hospital) and she told me thats part of their anti-relapse Programm. I cant do that again!! And a taper?
I have 200 Roche Rivotril here, from Apotheke, Plus 36 Lorazepam ( my 6 Day script) . We talk benzos only yes? The Rivotril is for bad times, but i still take em to strength the MS er 1200mg/Day + brown ( i managed to stop shooting, it is possible, just go through 3 DVT, search hours for veins and have 1 Standard-never the neck ( since my wife died 30.5.20)
and we both never went femoral. So, please excuse my rant- HOW should a taper for me look like?? I was in the Dark Side few years ago. Is there hope for me? A taper over YEARS with constantly in mild WD????
If YOU see something I DONT PLEASE HELP cuz honestly, i think i missed that last train out, so to say! Thanks for everyone who stuck through reading this!!! May you be blessed! No matter your believe!!!
Mo
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They didnt even test me for benzos? If Benzos were part of OD they failed.
How humiliating for you to be shamed in front of an 11 year old boy. People don't choose to be drug addicts as children, as in "When I grow up I am going to be a drug addict" they do it to cope with life.
Your poor mum, she must have been worried.
Benzos and barbiturates massive dose, glad you lived.
Sounds like staff didnt empathise with your suffering.
Awww what you say sounds terrible.
You need to use the same benzo to taper, have you heard of the Ashton manual? Google it, its a bit out of date though, the rate is a bit fast.
There's charts and taper schedules.
I'm so sorry your wife died, you've been through it.
I cant work out what benzo dose you are on, what is rivotril?
There is hope for you, its best to do a gradual crossover to valium as that is longer lasting in the blood, benzo buddies has titration plans. Dont use water it doesn't work.
The slower and steadier you got the better, you can slide off with a daily liquid titration instructions are on benzobuddies.Not everything on benzobuddies is true though.
If you can get valium and milk, or even clonazepam and milk I can help you work out a daily titration down and finally off.
Are you of the other drugs?
 
3dmusic said:
They didnt even test me for benzos? If Benzos were part of OD they failed.
How humiliating for you to be shamed in front of an 11 year old boy. People don't choose to be drug addicts as children, as in "When I grow up I am going to be a drug addict" they do it to cope with life.
Your poor mum, she must have been worried.
Benzos and barbiturates massive dose, glad you lived.
Sounds like staff didnt empathise with your suffering.
Awww what you say sounds terrible.
You need to use the same benzo to taper, have you heard of the Ashton manual? Google it, its a bit out of date though, the rate is a bit fast.
There's charts and taper schedules.
I'm so sorry your wife died, you've been through it.
I cant work out what benzo dose you are on, what is rivotril?
There is hope for you, its best to do a gradual crossover to valium as that is longer lasting in the blood, benzo buddies has titration plans. Dont use water it doesn't work.
The slower and steadier you got the better, you can slide off with a daily liquid titration instructions are on benzobuddies.Not everything on benzobuddies is true though.
If you can get valium and milk, or even clonazepam and milk I can help you work out a daily titration down and finally off.
Are you of the other drugs?
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THANKS FIRST!! Rivotril is clonazepam. Prescribed i get a few Lorazepam ( cant risk anyone recognizing, i think i said how much in another post). I have read here about the Ashton Manual, its spossed to be THE WAY.
Never seen or searched it though! I WILL check out benzobuddies, sounds very good!!!!
So you see me having a chance to get off benzos totally??? Wont the PAWS be forever and horrible?? When my Grandma died i helped clean up and stole 2 hospital bottles Diazepam (Valium Roche 10mg) which helped me cope with my dad who i had to see 4× year, court decision. Even after he nearly beat me dead. I was 8 when i found those Valiums. Lasted me and my friends nearly 5y. You see theres much trauma behind my early drug use ( they used me in a study about that in the hospital without asking me). Sorry for my rant!! God bless you for your kindness showing me these ways i honestly never heard of benzobuddies!!! Checkin now.
Have a great week!!! Thankyou 👍
Mo
 
LoginNotSecure said:
^ If you are genuinely taking that kind of dose(s) and not showing off for whatever reason, it's going to end one way and it won't be sunshine and lollipops I'm afraid. You seriously need to seek help to reduce, maintain and then abstain.
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Showing off?? That??? How could ANYONE feel THAT would be " good "????
Took me a good bit of overcoming to post that since i fear recognition. But now i am in a " fuckitall " mood, but managed to rid the gbl, so i thought just put it out.
Show off?? How in hell can you show off being a lifelong addict spun outta control??
I am very very ASHAMED how i threw my life away. Like a complete idiot. A complete idiot!
That is what i am. Over.
 
mokele said:
THANKS FIRST!! Rivotril is clonazepam. Prescribed i get a few Lorazepam ( cant risk anyone recognizing, i think i said how much in another post). I have read here about the Ashton Manual, its spossed to be THE WAY.
Never seen or searched it though! I WILL check out benzobuddies, sounds very good!!!!
So you see me having a chance to get off benzos totally??? Wont the PAWS be forever and horrible?? When my Grandma died i helped clean up and stole 2 hospital bottles Diazepam (Valium Roche 10mg) which helped me cope with my dad who i had to see 4× year, court decision. Even after he nearly beat me dead. I was 8 when i found those Valiums. Lasted me and my friends nearly 5y. You see theres much trauma behind my early drug use ( they used me in a study about that in the hospital without asking me). Sorry for my rant!! God bless you for your kindness showing me these ways i honestly never heard of benzobuddies!!! Checkin now.
Have a great week!!! Thankyou 👍
Mo
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PS no i aint off the other drugs but i cant imagine getting off opies ever. That aside, if i cut the clonazepam, i can live with the 15mg Lorazepam/Day on script. How please would a taper look like?
 
mokele said:
Showing off?? That??? How could ANYONE feel THAT would be " good "????
Took me a good bit of overcoming to post that since i fear recognition. But now i am in a " fuckitall " mood, but managed to rid the gbl, so i thought just put it out.
Show off?? How in hell can you show off being a lifelong addict spun outta control??
I am very very ASHAMED how i threw my life away. Like a complete idiot. A complete idiot!
That is what i am. Over.
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Hang in man. I’ve been on klonopin for 29 years. I’m afraid I’ll always be stuck in them.
 
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