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Misc Best drug for motivation

supersonic89

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Hi guys.

Let's say that this year I have to submit a degree thesis and I can't find the motivation to start it. Or that I have a job that I hate and that I still have to get up every morning and go.

What would be the best drug to motivate me? Stimulants, antidepressants, steroids, opioids? I don't consider myself a person with depression, just a little anxiety.

I was thinking maybe modafinil but I don't want to get too anxious.

What do you guys think?
 
Hey @supersonic89
Let's say that this year I have to submit a degree thesis and I can't find the motivation to start it. Or that I have a job that I hate and that I still have to get up every morning and go.

What would be the best drug to motivate me? Stimulants, antidepressants, steroids, opioids? I don't consider myself a person with depression, just a little anxiety...
This sounds familiar. I have two strategies that immediately come to my mind (that probably won't work, at least not in the long run). First, become nihilistic, depressed and bitter and drive your body through the world like it's someone else's robot, force it and make it do the dance the environment wants you to perform, and then crash & burn later on. Or secondly, leave everything as it is and do some chemical intervention (laced with some denial that that is actually a solution) to function and simultaniously set the stage for dependance/health issues later on when you will have time to sort these ones out. Doesn't that sound promising?

Another option to Best drug for motivation? Find or create some purpose, which will give the things you do that are aligned with it a sense of meaning, which in turn will make your body produce compounds that feel rewarding on occasion and also naturally mobilize resources that make you motivated, persistent, able and maybe even smile in the face of hardship whilst acting occordant to your overall goals. But that sets you up for a whole array of philosophical, existential, metaphysical and whatnot-kind of dilemmas..

Greetings

PS.: I see that i'm not really able to shake my sarcastic/cynic tendencies at the moment, so take all this with a grain of salt, if you like..
 
Hey supersonic. I understand your situation. The obvious answer that a lot of us would jump too would be Central Nervois System stimulants like Amphetamine (Adderall; Dexedrine) or Methylphenidate (Ritalin; Concerta) to name a couple.

These drugs can increase your focus and motivation but also come with noticeable drawbacks. They are addictive and have side effects. They work for some people who use them responsibly, but I would never just recommend initiating stimulant use with such little knowledge of a person's situation.

These days there are drugs that occupy a more "middle point" on the stimulant spectrum. Modafinil (Provigil) is something that might be worth trying. You say your issues aren't really severe, you're just looking for a little boost which this might provide.

I would do some research into Modafinil and see if that is something that you think might help you out.
 
I think probably the "healthiest" option would be to drink a very high caffeine content drink like Monster. I'd try that first before u jump into the world of Stimulants.

I have a very high tolerance for caffeine. I think I started drinking caffeine since I was 5 years old hahaha. Redbulls or Monsters don't stimulate me much, although I love their taste.
More over, when I drink a lot of caffeine it doesn't motivate me at all, it just gives me anxiety attacks.
I have read that these energy drinks don't cause as much anxiety if you drink too much, since they have vitamins, minerals and ginseng and all that. Could it be that perhaps only the caffeine in coffee is what gives me anxiety?

Hey supersonic. I understand your situation. The obvious answer that a lot of us would jump too would be Central Nervois System stimulants like Amphetamine (Adderall; Dexedrine) or Methylphenidate (Ritalin; Concerta) to name a couple.

These drugs can increase your focus and motivation but also come with noticeable drawbacks. They are addictive and have side effects. They work for some people who use them responsibly, but I would never just recommend initiating stimulant use with such little knowledge of a person's situation.

These days there are drugs that occupy a more "middle point" on the stimulant spectrum. Modafinil (Provigil) is something that might be worth trying. You say your issues aren't really severe, you're just looking for a little boost which this might provide.

I would do some research into Modafinil and see if that is something that you think might help you out.

Thanks Keif' Richards (I love the Stones btw haha).
The best would be a stimulant with little abuse properties. I have read very good opinions of modafinil.
In general, I'm not a big fan of stimulants, as they cause me some anxiety.
By the way, is there a cross tolerance between caffeine and these stimulants? If I take 400mg or more of caffeine daily, Modafinil may not do much for me. What do you think?
Although I am willing to cut down on caffeine, it doesn't cost me much.
 
With my experience's with stimulants. Dextro-amphetamin would be the first choice at the top.

Methylphenidate is to short and more akin to Cocaine like, then being a functional stimulant. Regular Amphetamin is to abusable to be functional. But I guess pills 10 mg pills could work.

But I only encountered powder form. And that seems, like Meth-Amphetamin, to easy for abuse.

3-fluoro-Phenmetrazine after a few tries is not that functional imo. It seemed at first.
 
Just stick with caffeine man, amphetamine and methamphetamine is bad bad news. Trust me, if you ain’t already on the shit, you should do all you can to avoid it. You might start with good intentions of being productive, a lot of people do. And you will indeed be much more productive and creative on it then you ever were off it. That’s why I fell in love in the first place, it allowed me to finally unleash the me that had been trapped inside forever. My mind is always zooming but I have trouble putting it into words, when I was lit, the words flowed out like water and I could articulate my thoughts perfectly. Whenever I had an idea, I also had the drive to do it and keep doing it til it was done. I could solve any problem, fix any broken thing, take on any challenge. But after the work was done, I kept doing it cause it was fun. Thing is, and this is what they all fail to tell you, there’s levels to meth. Meaning it’s fun as hell for about 3 years. You’ll go through all the stuff that comes with binging, seeing stuff in the corner of your eye and hearing shit in white noise, seeing things move that shouldn’t be moving and it’s all kinda weird but it’s fun. You’ll prolly lose control for a little bit in the early days & pawn some stuff but then you’ll come to your senses and get on some kind of schedule to manage your use, learn how to eat and stay hydrated and hide the shakey hands and shit and you’ll feel like you’ve got it under control. Then it shifts gears & starts to re-wire your brain. You start noticing stuff you never noticed before. Something that a year ago would’ve just been a passing thought, in one ear and out the other is now a seed, capable of sticking in your head, putting down roots and growing into a monstrous, all consuming thing. About four years ago, while lying in bed one day I noticed a face in some plywood I was staring up at. now I see faces everywhere. EVERYWHERE. ALL THE TIME. can’t turn it off, it’s one of my brain’s primary functions now. One of many. And it bleeds into everything I do and affects every aspect of my life. And the unnerving experiences will keep coming. One day you’ll find yourself awake for a solid week. Everything feeling like a weird hazy dream and you’re desperately trying to stay awake because you’ve forgotten How to fall asleep and you’re afraid of what might happen. You’ll start to think “This is getting weird, I should stop” but it’s too late, you can’t, the hook is already set. Well, you can, but you won’t want to. You’ll try being sober and first thing you’ll realize is how fucking painfully boring normal life is. Even once your body’s natural energy comes back and you don’t feel like you need it physically, the memory of your brain running at a speed that it can’t reach anymore still remains and keeps you from being satisfied with running at normal levels. So you’ll go back to it, knowing full well the unpleasantness that will come with it. And it’ll keep shifting gears, getting more and more unpleasant, less and less fun, slowly conditioning you to accept more and more shit you never would have before. The sounds in the white noise become voices & eventually they don’t wait for the white noise to manifest, they’ll just be there. The shadows will move from your peripherals to right in front of you, looking you in the eyes clear as day. You’ll be paranoid because you see all these connections and things hidden in plain sight that normal people never notice and you’ll have to suffer through it alone, not sure if it’s real or just the drug fucking with you because you can’t tell anyone about it, you know they’ll just say you’re crazy and on drugs. Possibly worse. You can’t trust or confide in anyone and eventually the only friend you’re left with is your worst enemy the drug. I been at it 7 years and I can safely say it doesn’t get better. I don’t even wanna know what the next levels have in store...
So yeah man, drink some coffee, do some cardio, take a power nap and some b vitamins, whatever. Just leave the drugs alone.
 
@JoEhJoEh That's right, in the past I have taken Omega 3 pills.

Ok thank guys for all your answers.

Has anyone taken phentermine? I can get it easily here. I have read that it is energizing and helps motivation, especially in relation to exercise and diet.
I have taken it and it does feel a big difference to me. Also, it doesn't seem to me that it is an abusable drug since it hardly causes euphoria ime (although I took small doses).
 
I think an easy answer is that true CNS stimulants are almost certain to increase your motivation by leaps and bounds. They can make you feel like you can do anything and that's part of the problem. Most people really like that feeling and dont want to give it up.

This is why these drugs are so addictive. Modafinil can be habit forming too. Its not nearly as likely,but a human can become addicted to practically anything.
 
Just stick with caffeine man, amphetamine and methamphetamine is bad bad news. Trust me, if you ain’t already on the shit, you should do all you can to avoid it. You might start with good intentions of being productive, a lot of people do. And you will indeed be much more productive and creative on it then you ever were off it. That’s why I fell in love in the first place, it allowed me to finally unleash the me that had been trapped inside forever. My mind is always zooming but I have trouble putting it into words, when I was lit, the words flowed out like water and I could articulate my thoughts perfectly. Whenever I had an idea, I also had the drive to do it and keep doing it til it was done. I could solve any problem, fix any broken thing, take on any challenge. But after the work was done, I kept doing it cause it was fun. Thing is, and this is what they all fail to tell you, there’s levels to meth. Meaning it’s fun as hell for about 3 years. You’ll go through all the stuff that comes with binging, seeing stuff in the corner of your eye and hearing shit in white noise, seeing things move that shouldn’t be moving and it’s all kinda weird but it’s fun. You’ll prolly lose control for a little bit in the early days & pawn some stuff but then you’ll come to your senses and get on some kind of schedule to manage your use, learn how to eat and stay hydrated and hide the shakey hands and shit and you’ll feel like you’ve got it under control. Then it shifts gears & starts to re-wire your brain. You start noticing stuff you never noticed before. Something that a year ago would’ve just been a passing thought, in one ear and out the other is now a seed, capable of sticking in your head, putting down roots and growing into a monstrous, all consuming thing. About four years ago, while lying in bed one day I noticed a face in some plywood I was staring up at. now I see faces everywhere. EVERYWHERE. ALL THE TIME. can’t turn it off, it’s one of my brain’s primary functions now. One of many. And it bleeds into everything I do and affects every aspect of my life. And the unnerving experiences will keep coming. One day you’ll find yourself awake for a solid week. Everything feeling like a weird hazy dream and you’re desperately trying to stay awake because you’ve forgotten How to fall asleep and you’re afraid of what might happen. You’ll start to think “This is getting weird, I should stop” but it’s too late, you can’t, the hook is already set. Well, you can, but you won’t want to. You’ll try being sober and first thing you’ll realize is how fucking painfully boring normal life is. Even once your body’s natural energy comes back and you don’t feel like you need it physically, the memory of your brain running at a speed that it can’t reach anymore still remains and keeps you from being satisfied with running at normal levels. So you’ll go back to it, knowing full well the unpleasantness that will come with it. And it’ll keep shifting gears, getting more and more unpleasant, less and less fun, slowly conditioning you to accept more and more shit you never would have before. The sounds in the white noise become voices & eventually they don’t wait for the white noise to manifest, they’ll just be there. The shadows will move from your peripherals to right in front of you, looking you in the eyes clear as day. You’ll be paranoid because you see all these connections and things hidden in plain sight that normal people never notice and you’ll have to suffer through it alone, not sure if it’s real or just the drug fucking with you because you can’t tell anyone about it, you know they’ll just say you’re crazy and on drugs. Possibly worse. You can’t trust or confide in anyone and eventually the only friend you’re left with is your worst enemy the drug. I been at it 7 years and I can safely say it doesn’t get better. I don’t even wanna know what the next levels have in store...
So yeah man, drink some coffee, do some cardio, take a power nap and some b vitamins, whatever. Just leave the drugs alone.
Well put bud.
MANKIND NOT MEANT TO FEEL THAT GOOD
 
Hi guys.

Let's say that this year I have to submit a degree thesis and I can't find the motivation to start it. Or that I have a job that I hate and that I still have to get up every morning and go.

What would be the best drug to motivate me? Stimulants, antidepressants, steroids, opioids? I don't consider myself a person with depression, just a little anxiety.

I was thinking maybe modafinil but I don't want to get too anxious.

What do you guys think?

Modafinil +Noopept is a good combination for motivation / cognitive enhancer. The biggest benefit I found with that combo was a distinct lack of increase in anxiety while still increasing focus and motivation. Other stimulants tend to increase my anxiety, but that combo feels very benign.
 
In my experience, pregabalin made me very functional to do anything, it motivated me. On some occasions I used different stimulants together with Lyrica.
Modafinil, Methylphenidate, Cocaine and MDMA. Modafinil or ritalin together with lyrica were a good combo to study and work, but as we know, do this for a long time leads to problems, and I was not an exception.
 
Modafinil +Noopept is a good combination for motivation / cognitive enhancer. The biggest benefit I found with that combo was a distinct lack of increase in anxiety while still increasing focus and motivation. Other stimulants tend to increase my anxiety, but that combo feels very benign.

Wow I didn't know about the Noopept. I should definitely give it a try. It looks very promising. Thanks man.
The same thing happens to me as you, stimulants almost always give me anxiety. Even the coffee. Everyone in my family is anxious, so it must be genetic.
Maybe as @Nicocastillo7 said it would be good idea to combine a stimulant with pregabalin. In general, in moderate doses it acts as an anxiolytic. I don't want to take benzos.

In my experience, pregabalin made me very functional to do anything, it motivated me. On some occasions I used different stimulants together with Lyrica.
Modafinil, Methylphenidate, Cocaine and MDMA. Modafinil or ritalin together with lyrica were a good combo to study and work, but as we know, do this for a long time leads to problems, and I was not an exception.

That's weird. Pregabalin has never acted as a stimulant on me, it helps me with anxiety and sleep. But, yeah man, the pregabalin and modafinil looks promising. Thank you viejo.
 
Supersonic and company, very interesting stuff. Many folks with legitimate ADHD describe their most prominent emotion as bein anxiety. I was diagnosed and I can say the same. I might have the brain power, but harnessing it, using it and organizing the thoughts within can seem impossible.

When I take a stimulant, this all goes away and I forget what it even felt like to be mentally disheveled. Interestingly, Gabapentinoids do the same thing. It begs the question, "is anxiety itself the main problem?"

Sonic, I wouldn't necessarily say Gabapentinoids have true stimulant properties, but they have powerful anxiolytic properties. My motivation, organization and thought processes are all set free.

So I guess it isn't so crazy to recommend Pregabalin for this purpose, especially prior to trying a CNS stimulant. Very interesting guys. Obviously, use as a study-aid a la Amphetamine would be completely off-label. Its use as an anxiolytic though is medically recognized and anxiety could be the root of the problem anyway.

Well put bud.
MANKIND NOT MEANT TO FEEL THAT GOOD

Mankind not meant to feel that good. Haha. That is something I might've said before my first mega dose of LSD (Acid) at Furthur in Manchester, NH. It was the best I had ever felt, grooving to Bobby Weir. It was great.

However, that is obviously a different kind of feeling good. It's doesn't have that artificial quality that drugs inevitably have. I think we are all just looking for God. Is he a guy up in some invisible kingdom? Is God in every atom.

I think mankind is mean to feel good and that is what we are all after, happiness or our unique definition of that concept. Drugs are a great way to imitate being nearer to that being and/or feeling.

I think that's why drugs cause pain. They're not the way you're meant to find and be with God and experience ecstasy. Whatever God is, I think he wants us to experience ecstasy in loving and caring for others and having them likewise care and love for you.

That sounds pretty cool, but sadly, a lot of us dont have that kind of Love. Some of us are pretty far away from the light.

So when you say "mankind isn't meant to feel this good" it really strikes a chord with me. I dont think we are supposed to experience happiness by slamming Meth or Dope. I think man is meant to feel that good.

I guess what I'm getting at; the saddest thing is that I feel most of us know and can feel this. The drugs are just a substitute for love. Unfortunately, this type of happiness takes work and dedication. Caring about other people in a non-superficial way.

Mankind is meant to feel both good and bad. What we do is take the reins from nature herself and decide we want it now and in this exact way.
 
That's weird. Pregabalin has never acted as a stimulant on me, it helps me with anxiety and sleep. But, yeah man, the pregabalin and modafinil looks promising. Thank you viejo.

I suppose that pregabalin motivates me because it kills my anxiety without so much sedation (depending on the dose of course, mixing it with opiates was a one-way trip) pregabalin together with a "soft" stimulant such as modafinil seems like a good idea for your Purpose, but yes, both things are super addictive and pregabalin produces horrible withdrawals that resembles a horrible opiate + benzo withdrawal.
 
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