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Social Justice Jacob Blake shot seven times by white cop, paralyzed, may never walk again.

Deru said:
I'd be interested to see that interview. I actually grew up in Waukesha County, lived in Milwaukee on 74th and 62nd St for years, and now I live between Kenosha and Chicago. Southeastern Wisconsin is such a complex mix when it comes to these issues. The surrounding counties like Waukesha County and Kenosha County are conservative, Republican led counties and racism runs deep. That's part of the reason I moved as soon as I could, the racism literally made me physically ill, among other small town issues I wasn't a fan of.

Milwaukee is much better now than it used to be, but it's still nowhere near where it should be. It's insanely segregated, north off the x-axis (not sure the real name, the dividing line between north and south side of Milwaukee - it's slightly south of I-94), north of the line is predominately Black people and south of the line is predominately Hispanic people. The East side and downtown is middle to upper class white people. The west side is mainly white people, but it's a very jagged border and not as easily defined. The 60th St she mentioned is somewhat accurate, as you go north of North Ave, the invisible line goes at a northwest angle. For instance, 92nd and Silver Spring is predominately Black people. I used to live on 62nd and North Ave and 74th and North Ave. The cut off line, there, is actually around 59th street, but 60th Street is probably mentioned for a reason: 60th street between North Ave and Center St is the actual border between the City of Milwaukee and the City of Wauwatosa (a very middle upper class White area.) It's a line everyone knows well. To give some anecdotal experience on how those lines are really there, when I lived on 74th, I could never get a dealer to come to my house. The ones that would, would eventually regret it, as they would get harassed and pulled over by Wauwatosa police before they could make it back past 60th. When I lived at 62nd, more dealers were willing to come to me, but I noticed they would never drive their "stoley", it was always their nice rental. That speaks huge volumes, because driving a bad car in Wauwatosa will make you a target to get harassed and pulled over. So even in those areas where it's right on the border, there is definitely some issues with racism and targeting certain socioeconomic classes. The insane thing is how drastic the neighborhood and the race of people is from 61st to 59th. Within 2 blocks, and this is strictly for North Ave, it's like going to a different world. The gas station on 55th, I would rarely ever see a White person, but the gas station on 68th was almost 95% White people. The reason for that, again, is leaving the City of Milwaukee and going to the City of Wauwatosa. The City of Milwaukee just elected it's first Black mayor, and although the segregation is a real issue still, I like to believe the racism isn't infecting the police departments and elected officials like it once was. What I did find interesting, I just drove up there from Kenosha. And, for the first time ever, in predominately Black inner city neighborhoods, I saw White kids playing outside with Black kids. It really made me smile inside, and happy, because even a year ago, I had never once witnessed that. I truly believe change is happening and it makes me glad to witness it, even the small things like that. It really made my day.



The biggest thing I noticed, and I was very put off with this at first, is many were almost praising Kyle's talent and how he handled himself. It made me very upset at first, why are they praising a murderer, right? The more I talked and the more they realized I really was an incredibly open minded person and just wanted to understand, the more the leader finally started opening up to me. Supposedly he had been coordinating with local law inforcement, sharing intel, and directing people where to go. He had actually went home for the night, so he was not there when this all happened, but this seems to be a pretty tight structured group so everyone has reported to him their version of what happened. At some point, and they actually provided me video of one of their members recounting this to CJ TV after the shootings, the local police department decided to shove all the protesters out of the city park and push them out into the outer portion, where the boogaloo was. Someone had told one of their members "we're going to push them toward you", at which point they did something (I don't remember what) to get ready for them, something to do with their stance. What he was incredibly upset about, is that the media and narrative has completely been moot on the fact that they were working with law enforcement, publicly told they weren't welcomed after the fact, and so all the blame lies on this group. They are incredibly, incredibly upset not only over the fact of what's happening to Kyle (although they don't have much defense for his age) and the damage it's doing to their reputation. They seem very proud of their training and this was supposed to be their time to show everyone that they weren't what everyone thinks they are, and also to help their community, which is evident that it's very important to them. Had I not personally been able to talk to them and only watched the media, I would literally have a whole different outlook on these events at this point. Whether the police pushed them in hopes of conflict, I don't know, I won't go that far. But, they really are letting them out to dry, completely unacknowleding that this was a joint effort shared by both police and boogaloo.
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It’s much easier to let the blame fall on “radical boogaloos” than more cops. Not only does it take the blame off them it gives them more reason to clamp down “see guys we let you do you and THIS is what happened!”

I forget the video but might’ve been CJ TV, it’s the same guy you talked to I believe talking on camera.

Now don’t get me wrong, boogaloos are mostly good people. Shit most of my family is... But as the leader said, allowing a 17yr old to come along and then all that took place, they more or less ruined their chance to shine.

The one good thing to come of this all. Both left protesters and right gun activist are stopping and reevaluating how to move forward for the first time in awhile.


I also grew up near MKE... Never have I seen a more segregated city. Now having traveled I realize MKE is about as bad as it gets for segregation.

I moved to areas where there are much less black ppl and saw them a lot more and then it began to sink in.

For instance going to shows in MKE it’s all white kids, the black kids are too poor to even be there. Other cities I actually see more diverse crowds, but not there..

Also I feel much safer on the South side of Chi than I do breaking down in some areas of MKE. The overall race hatred there is palpable.

-GC
 
Just a quick one liner if I may:
Wondering why there are more shootings when it is clearly adding fuel to the fire. I mean, if the local, state and federal law enforcement is already taking flak and making reforms... why the hell does it all seem to be escalating? In the freaking back, for petes sake? Seriously... I coulda reached between his crotch, grabbed him by the balls and yanked: He would been face down in a split second. This actually works great so don't try this at home without supervision, boy and girls.
Something else is going on that is undermining the infrastructure of society and it is covered with a lot of confusion and slight of hand. jmo
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PtahTek said:
Just a quick one liner if I may:
Wondering why there are more shootings when it is clearly adding fuel to the fire.
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I think there aren't more than usually.
It's just media milking out the ones there are.
How many have there been after the first one which caused the riots?
There's a database by The Washington Post.
Anyways, unarmed white men are more likely to get shot by cop when you count at how many police encounters there are / race and how many of them lead to unarmed man getting shot.
People like to claim that blacks get shoot more, because they're 13% of US population.
The problem here is that blacks do much more crimes.
Over 50% of violent crime, which is kind of crime where police need to use force. That's the problem here.
Roland Fryer, a black Harvard economist got angry after some shootings. He did a study on how race affects police shootings.
He said the the results were most surprising results in his life.

An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force | Roland G. Fryer, Jr.

scholar.harvard.edu scholar.harvard.edu
 
The stupid BLM movement should change it to only black lives matter because that’s the truth . It’s not about equality , all there “martyrs” are criminals that deserved what they get most of the time .
 
G_Chem said:
Now don’t get me wrong, boogaloos are mostly good people. Shit most of my family is... But as the leader said, allowing a 17yr old to come along and then all that took place, they more or less ruined their chance to shine.
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Do you find what they told me to be a fair and accurate assessment of the truth? I'd be curious to know more views from people with first hand knowledge.

G_Chem said:
I also grew up near MKE... Never have I seen a more segregated city. Now having traveled I realize MKE is about as bad as it gets for segregation.
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Agreed. I remember the first time being in a Wal-Mart at a young age in a different state and there were White, Hispanic and Black people freely walking around and shopping and that really made an impression on me of how different where I lived was to other areas. As I got older, I quickly realized just how significant that experience was.

G_Chem said:
Also I feel much safer on the South side of Chi than I do breaking down in some areas of MKE. The overall race hatred there is palpable.
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It's terrible in some areas in Milwaukee, and it's utterly disgusting in some of the surrounding counties (the video of the Kenosha Country Sheriff's statements I provided here are a glaring example of the mentality), and it honestly makes me sick to witness it. And for anyone claiming white privilege doesn't exist, I've witnessed it first hand more times than I can count, and that makes me feel terrible, as well.
 
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Anyone in USA knew abou this?



I live in UK, and had no idea of this case of police brutality (and it took the victims family a while to get the video disclosed by police)

Wonder why I didn't know about this case until today, but if the killed is a black guy I know it ten seconds after it happens?
 
usual-suspect said:
Anyone in USA knew abou this?



I live in UK, and had no idea of this case of police brutality (and it took the victims family a while to get the video disclosed by police)

Wonder why I didn't know about this case until today, but if the killed is a black guy I know it ten seconds after it happens?
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I generally avoid expressing opinions on charged topics as I don't enjoy adding stress to my life but since I can answer your question without getting to far into the topic I shall. I'm located in the US & I was aware of this. I've seen media coverage regarding it but TBH I don't remember were exactly as I consume a large amount of news / media in general. As such I might not be overly representative of what the US at large has seen though. :\
 
usual-suspect said:
Anyone in USA knew abou this?



I live in UK, and had no idea of this case of police brutality (and it took the victims family a while to get the video disclosed by police)

Wonder why I didn't know about this case until today, but if the killed is a black guy I know it ten seconds after it happens?
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He's white, so no fucks given. Duh.
 
totach said:
The stupid BLM movement should change it to only black lives matter because that’s the truth . It’s not about equality , all there “martyrs” are criminals that deserved what they get most of the time .
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True, they do not care about American black people as they never riot when innocent black children, teens, or adults are murdered or killed by black criminals or gang members.
 
That's a pretty bold generalization there @Priest.

But, you have never really been one to let anyone get in the way of your own firmly held prejudices and/or cognitive distortions.

www.themarshallproject.org

The Marshall Project

A nonprofit news organization covering the U.S. criminal justice system.
www.themarshallproject.org www.themarshallproject.org

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Kenosha links:

www.themarshallproject.org

Kenosha, Wisconsin | The Record

The best criminal justice reporting tagged with "Kenosha, Wisconsin," curated by The Marshall Project.
www.themarshallproject.org www.themarshallproject.org
 
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Noodle said:
That's a pretty bold generalization there @Priest.

But, you have never really been one to let anyone get in the way of your own firmly held prejudices and/or cognitive distortions.

www.themarshallproject.org

The Marshall Project

A nonprofit news organization covering the U.S. criminal justice system.
www.themarshallproject.org www.themarshallproject.org

...

Kenosha links:

www.themarshallproject.org

Kenosha, Wisconsin | The Record

The best criminal justice reporting tagged with "Kenosha, Wisconsin," curated by The Marshall Project.
www.themarshallproject.org www.themarshallproject.org
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It is not a prejudice or generalisation. It is true. Systemic racism by police and society against non-European or non-'white' Americans is a myth. We have idiot do nothing leftist politcians, major international companies, international universities, etc. all kowtowing to the racist black supremacist arguments spewed by black lives matter.

'Microagressions' are not racist, or prejudice they are people being cunty, or socially rude.

www.wsj.com

Opinion | The Myth of Systemic Police Racism

Hold officers accountable who use excessive force. But there’s no evidence of widespread racial bias.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com

The racist hate group BLM, their comeback will be something like "a white man with the same record as Jacob Blake had who was going for a weapon and who had a history of sexual assault/rape, attacking women and police, robbery, etc. wouldn't have been killed by police."

It's fucking bizarre... if a poor white/European man with a record of domestic abuse, rape/sexual assault, and an open warrant had reached into his car after ignoring officer's orders to stop, and been shot and paralyzed, would there be international protests against the injustice? Of COURSE not. Everyone would side with the cops. These protestors would probably laugh about it 'what did that white trash idiot think would happen'?
 
That's an awesome source, @Noodle. I'm glad to see some of the actual accounts of what happened there being reported finally, where they were asked to come - encouraged to come - by officials and help.
 
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