Social Justice Jacob Blake shot seven times by white cop, paralyzed, may never walk again.

[Jabberwocky]

Your first post clearly states they came over as “explorers” when everything I just read states he was always a slave to his Spaniard master. He was a side kick, not free to do what he wanted.

And I guess your posts just reek of a person that is “tribalistic” as you put it, an ideology that primes someone for Nationalism.

Sorry I came off shitty though you have been giving your points fairly nicely despite our obviously vast disagreements.

-GC

American nationalism isn't tribialism.
Nationalism isn't tribialism. Ethno-nationalism would be, but so is identity politics and supporting any form of pan-African movements. It's just this traitorous guilt these white liberals have, so they'll support the opposing side trying to make themselves feel good.
Also, it's more of your interpretation than me being what you claim. If you want to know something about me, you can ask.

 

[DopeM]

That would be a headshot. They are trained to go for the center mass.


Seriously? I'm a hunter and would have a hard time getting someone's leg as they ran 25 feet from me and I am well trained with firearms

I'm talking like thigh area dude was moving pretty slow in a straight line

 

[Coffeeshroom]

If you want to know something about me, you can ask.

what's your favorite chocolate?

 

[Jabberwocky]

what's your favorite chocolate?

white chocolate with some liquorice in it.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

I got hillbilly relatives that can barely speak proper English who can make firearms rather easily. There as easy as owning a 3-d printer.

Hillbillies with 3-d printers is not the image I ever considered I'd have. Thanks.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

What is this I'm reading about wonder boy being a THC ADDICT and a disorderly conduct-er ? Guess that's why all you drug addicts keep taking up for him.

evidence?

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[TheLoveBandit]

This is why we got flooded with murder victims's criminal history in these incidents, and then get accused of being brainwashed by liberal media when it's really happening on both sides.

Teen Suspect Kyle Rittenhouse Gets Great News After New Evidence Comes Out | Opinion

Seventeen-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse has been charged with murder after shooting three and killing two rioters in Kenosha, Wisconsin. However, the teen suspect just got great news after new evidence came to light. Don't miss this.

madworldnews.com

Fully agree it is "really happening on both sides". The narrative (from each side) is the driver, facts be damned, they are only used to support a narrative if they align and if not they are ignored. Even if used, they are temporary. Consider, ow much is ANYONE talking about G. Floyd anymore? Or the situations that occurred before that down in Georgia (the Wendy's shooting, or the rural one where two local white guys killed a black 'jogger' in their neighborhood)? I listened to an audio report from someone on the ground in Kenosha (outsider, looking to interview protesters) who said 100% of the people he talked to said it didn't matter if Blake was a justified shoot or not, the BLM mission is more important. Get that? The narrative, even among the protester-rioters, is more important than any facts on a given instance.

Also, we're arrived here by news (either side) wanting sensationalized headlines and attention. A rush to judgement well in advance of any facts coming forth. Gamble on your opinion being the outcome so you can say you called it first, and if you're wrong it doesn't matter. But to fill the space between event and actual facts, the need to keep headlines is filled by any and all minutia about those involved (ie, criminal backgrounds), which opens the door for trolling chum of faked images and unsubstantiated assertions...again, if they are wrong, there's no consequence.



*EDIT: For those yet unaware, Andy Ngo is one of the most used sources for on the ground reporting by conservative media outlets. He was the eyes and ears on the ground in Portland for conservative reporting and appears to be doing the same in Kenosha. He has a history of this.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

That would be a headshot. They are trained to go for the center mass.

He said "non-lethal". I'm not sure a headshot would be considered non-lethal. But you're spot on they are trained for center of mass. The training is center of mass, and add more lead as needed, with the expectation that may be non-lethal but slows-stops the perp before they become a victim.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Kenosha Sheriff David Beth Had Hateful Words for Black Suspects Arrested in 2018

Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth went on a harsh rant against Black suspects in a retail theft in 2018.

www.tmz.com

This makes me suspect even further what I'm finding out lately, listen to these horrible words from the Kenosha County Sheriff.

I've recently heard an interview from an ex-resident of the area (Waukesha on the west side of Milwaukee, not Kenosha) who expressed how deeply racist the area is. It wasn't until she moved out that she realized she was allowed to have friends of diff races and such. Her statement was explicitly in regards to 60th St separating the black section of Milwaukee from the white section of Waukesha, how they had integrated schools back in the 90's but even then it was to bus in the basketball team and such (as stated by the Principal).

I'm not sure how long you've been there, but how racist do you believe the area to be? Would it be prevalent through the local gov't and police force?

I actually thought this, as well. From what I can make out, there are two types of ... factions ... for lack of a better word. One is extremely right wing extremists, this local group is not. They just specifically focus on 2nd amendment rights, only. To be honest, they are the nicest people I've talked to in quite a while.

I have no exposure to this group beyond your words here and a few mentions on other sites that have largely been ignored as conspiracy talk against right wingers. I can see what you describe as existing, though = a hard, far right wing and a more middle 2A group. I'm curious what more you can share from your discussions.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

17 year olds should not be allowed to walk around with a ar-15 and "protect" for the police This is not fucking call of duty its real life.

In Wisconsin, they're not. It is for that reason, specifically, even if his actions were justified under self defense laws in a normal situation, he was engaging in a criminal act when it happened (a minor can not openly carry in Wisconsin) . He really put himself in an insanely dumb situation, as he could not legally defend himself. I am pretty confident that's why the DA charged first degree intentional homicide.

At 17, he shouldn't have been there. Especially armed when it isn't allowed under WI law (I guess he's legal in IL and thought that would carry across?). But, I believe having the weapon is a misdemeanor in and of itself. But it all went wrong with simply being there, even if he did so with best of intentions.

As to the DA, I imagine it's like most other cases = charge the max so there is room to plea down?

 

[TheLoveBandit]

and this guy's not wrong - and this is part of the problem with all this stupid bullshit

look at that. we agree.
sure. if you happen to agree with him. otherwise, then yeah, he's wrong

alasdair

He's wrong when facts show he's wrong. When have we seen ANY such coverage or outrage? Consider, the white victims in this instance were NOT felons, and were run into by a black gentleman because HE rear ended THEM.

South Carolina college student, stepfather fatally shot in head on front lawn over fender bender: reports


Where's the protests and rioting? Where are we seeing the major sports league shut down in solidarity? Where is anyone giving a shit?

I expect a reply of apples and oranges, this is one unhinged citizen and not to be associated with a white cop killing a black felon. It doesn't change the fact that race matters to the media, and only in one direction.


*EDIT: For those unaware, Matt Walsh is a conservative media talking head, so take his comments with the appropriate biased chunk of salt.

 

[Coffeeshroom]

As to the DA, I imagine it's like most other cases = charge the max so there is room to plea down?

Sad but true

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Maybe we can turn into one of those countries that rounds up all the undesirables and executes them in the street. Fun. Maybe not so fun when they start expanding the definition of what is undesirable...

Maybe we can turn this into a one of those countries where society has agreed upon laws that are applied and enforced fairly to all, and those who break the laws are dealt with fairly? Where society, if deeming the laws improper or unfair in their design or application are not given to rioting, destruction, and killing? That'd be cool.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Supposedly, the video of Kyle where the police are telling him to leave, is when Kyle was actually trying to turn himself in after the shootings.

How insane is that, I had no idea he, himself, tried to turn himself in beyond being identified from the protesters as the shooter and was told to leave by the police.

I could tell from the first time I saw the video of him approaching the cops that he was trying to surrender. And, I'm not too surprised the cops blew by him and continued toward the scene they were directed to. How many times have they ever had someone surrender to them like that? I'm sure that's why they didn't stop.

After watching this video and learning more about Kyle, I'm starting to seriously rethink about not only the media, the narrative, but how quickly even I am to rush to judgement sometimes.

Supposedly, everything Kyle did was by the book and he was well trained to handle these situations, he even raised his weapon to the man who had a gun pointed at him, when he lowered his gun, Kyle lowered his immediately, and then when he raised his gun to shoot Kyle shot him in the arm.

This really sounds like a horrible situation for everyone involved, and of course, manipulated by the police. It still doesn't change the fact that Kyle should have never been there because he could not legally open carry because he was a minor in Wisconsin, but I'm just wondering if what really happened will ever be reported.

Aye. The vids of Kyle before the shooting do not present someone seeking out violence. He states he's there to protect some property and offer EMT services even to the 'protesters and rioters'. I struggle to go to the self defense argument, because we have that blank time between the 'before' videos and the later ones where he is being chased. We don't know what he may or may not have done to cause the individuals to chase him. However, when the videos DO pick up with him being chased, he is repeatedly trying to flee as opposed to engage and kill, and he is repeatedly being attacked and only shoots once in danger. I won't make that self-defense argument any further than that until we see what happened in between.

I am very curious what you mean regarding the police manipulation of the situation, and any coordination they may have had with armed civilian groups. I've not heard nor seen much of that other than the one 'before' vid of Kyle talking to law enforcement briefly

I too have surmised this was the result of police support, this kid felt in his right to pull the trigger by all the words and actions that night. Shit they even told one of the guys “we’re gonna push em your way then back out so you can deal with them..”

-GC

Didn't hear that part. Link?

 

[TheLoveBandit]

I see a poor kid that likely got teased a lot growing up. A kid with a lot of hate and anger who probably shouldn’t have been walking around with an AR on this particular night.

A kid who got trained as an EMT and stated he was there to help people if injured, even the 'protesters and rioters'? The one who when being 'bullied' again with a skateboard to the head and a jolly fella with a pistol, he chose to run before defending himself with the weapon he had? That one? Yeah, sounds like a lot of hate and anger just waiting to go off.

 

[alasdairm]

He's wrong when facts show he's wrong.

facts? we're talking about a hypothetical that hasn't happened.

"There is simply zero chance that a white man wanted for domestic and sexual abuse, who got the cops called on him because he was harassing his girlfriend, and then wound up shot because he fought the cops and pulled a knife, would engender any sympathy or outrage from anyone"

i expect his family might demonstrate some sympathy. i expect the local community might experience some outrage.

but i don't know because, well, it never happened...

alasdair

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Twitter thread going through the arrest record of Kyle R. I know nothing of the source, but it's the first outlet I've seen giving the arrest info. I will say, he keeps referring to one of the guys shot as 'the Pedo' (hey, it gets a cap letter), so, you can infer his position on the situation.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Well, there are also African immigrants.
Africans first arrived in America in the late 16th century not as slaves but as explorers together with Spanish and Portuguese explorers. One of the best known of these African “conquistadors” was Estevancio.

Estevanico - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Those are 2 things that debunk your "only reason I know".
You answered 0 questions and failed to form an argument.
Try again.
Thx bye.

In before the revisionist history of 'moors, Moroccans, Berbers, Tunisian, and Egyptians-both Ancient and modern- and North Africans are BLACK!!!'

Genetic history of North Africa - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Jabberwocky]

In before the revisionist history of 'moors, Moroccans, Berbers, Tunisian, and Egyptians-both Ancient and modern- and North Africans are BLACK!!!'

Genetic history of North Africa - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Moroccans are pretty black. There are Arabic moroccoans but there are also very black ones and many in between. In portraits Estevanico looks pretty black to me.
Egyptians however, the leaders of ancient egypt and the people nowdays, they're arabs.
We wuz kangz is really just a meme.

 

[MrsGamp]

Again...



shot in the back, unarmed
are we still making excuses guys?

Jesus help us.