Social Justice Jacob Blake shot seven times by white cop, paralyzed, may never walk again.

[mal3volent]

Again...



shot in the back, unarmed
are we still making excuses guys?

 

[Deru]

I just came on here to post that too @Malevolent ! This is very close to where I live, this is insanity.

The cop shot him 7 times, point blank, in the back in broad daylight - with his child in the car.

I just watched, supposedly, someone take a brick to a cop and then they were trying to set the cop on fire (according to the person livestreaming - the cop was on the ground and appeared unconscious) in the riots that started as a result, this is so disturbing.

Jacob Blake: Kenosha police officer shoots man during 'domestic incident'

One man was air flighted to an area hospital after he was shot by a Kenosha police officer Sunday evening, police say.

www.tmj4.com

Following Jacob Blake shooting Evers calls Special Session, Vos to form task force

Updated: 5:54 p.m. on Aug. 24, 2020 MADISON, Wis. (CBS 58) – Following the shooting of Jacob Blake, Governor Tony Evers called on lawmakers to take up a package of bills on policing in a Special Session

www.cbs58.com

 

[Deru]

They're burning something by the Kenosha Police Station, huge flames, can't quite make out what it is.

I honestly just can not believe what just happened today, what is wrong with these police officers? How and why do people keep defending them?

Edit: This is escalating very quickly, I would be surprised if MSM doesn't pick this up. It sounds like he has a chance to survive, so hopefully that is the case.

 

[nuttynutskin]

I honestly just can not believe what just happened today, what is wrong with these police officers? How and why do people keep defending them?

If you think this is bad wait until all the bodies stack up when there is no police anymore and it's every man for himself. The whole world's gone fucking insane.

 

[Deru]

If you think this is bad wait until all the bodies stack up when there is no police anymore and it's every man for himself. The whole world's gonna fucking insane.

That is never going to happen, the police portion anyways. The whole world going insane, yes, we may already be there lol.

 

[nuttynutskin]

I just watched the vid, and it's literally impossible to tell if the shooting was justified or not from the camera angle. It looks like he could've been trying to get a weapon from his car, but again, really impossible to tell. Apparently people would rather jump to a conclusion than allow an investigation to take place. I thought I was going to watch a cold blooded murder but I'm not convinced that that's what happened.

 

[Deru]

I just watched the vid, and it's literally impossible to tell if the shooting was justified or not from the camera angle. It looks like he could've been trying to get a weapon from his car, but again, really impossible to tell. Apparently people would rather jump to a conclusion than allow an investigation to take place. I thought I was going to watch a cold blooded murder but I'm not convinced that that's what happened.

Sure, he had just got done breaking up a fight between two women, had his three children in the vehicle, but walked into the vehicle to grab a gun with 4+ cops. Come on, seriously?

Why would you assume he was going to grab for a gun? That sounds pretty racist, if you want my honest opinion.

 

[Deru]

I'm just curious if the same argument would be made had you seen the exact same video, except the victim was a white male?

There is always the possibility, sure. I'm not suggesting there is absolutely no way he could have grabbed for a gun or other weapon.

I'm just wondering if the same amount of benefit would be afforded to the police officer had the victim been white. I just don't instantly think, black man gets in car and cop shoots him 7 times in the back, it must have been a gun - no way would a police officer do that otherwise. I'm not sure what that says about me, except the fact that I don't have much blindless faith and trust in police officers anymore, given the current context of late.

 

[nuttynutskin]

Sure, he had just got done breaking up a fight between two women, had his three children in the vehicle, but walked into the vehicle to grab a gun with 4+ cops. Come on, seriously?

Why would you assume he was going to grab for a gun? That sounds pretty racist, if you want my honest opinion.

I don't know what he did or didn't do, I just watched the vid. Please fuck off with the racism card because I would've said the same thing if he was white. So sick of everything being racist. But by all means, let your emotions override your critical thinking skills.

 

[Deru]

I don't know what he did or didn't do, I just watched the vid. Please fuck off with the racism card because I would've said the same thing if he was white. So sick of everything being racist. But by all means, let your emotions override your critical thinking skills.

I'm definitely not letting my emotions get in the way of my critical thinking. I'm taking the context of what's being reported, which is obviously subject to change as new information comes out, and finding it increasingly hard to believe he went to get a gun (although, of course, not impossible.)

I wasn't calling you a racist, to be clear. I was addressing the argument, itself, that seemed racist. I think that would be an argument and issue raised by many, many people in this country initially with racist undertones (whether subconsciously or not).

That's why I also considered in my following post a component of blind trust in police officers. There could be more than one component to that argument, to be fair.

 

[nuttynutskin]

I'm definitely not letting my emotions get in the way of my critical thinking. I'm taking the context of what's being reported, which is obviously subject to change as new information comes out, and finding it increasingly hard to believe he went to get a gun (although, of course, not impossible.)

I wasn't calling you a racist, to be clear. I was addressing the argument, itself, that seemed racist. I think that would be an argument and issue raised by many, many people in this country initially with racist undertones (whether subconsciously or not).

That's why I also considered in my following post a component of blind trust in police officers. There could be more than one component to that argument, to be fair.

How is saying that he could've been going for a gun but I can't tell based on the vid racist? He was already disobeying the officers who had their weapons drawn. Why didn't he just follow the officers orders? I don't know, and as I've said I can't tell much from the vid. Personally I'd like to wait to see what the investigation and bodycam footage shows before making any rash judgements, but of course now people are going to jump to conclusions and go crazy and riot before they even know what exactly happened.

 

[Deru]

How is saying that he could've been going for a gun but I can't tell based on the vid racist?

In and of itself, it's not.

It's when we dissect why someone would initially make that argument - reaching for a gun - (and, this is not directed at you specifically, it's only addressing the argument itself.)

There could be the aspect that someone sees a black male, with multiple police, and who appears to be ignoring commands get into a car and then is fired upon from behind by a police officer assume he was reaching for a weapon because he's black. Unfortunately, this is likely to be thought by some people.

There could be the aspect that a police officer would never shoot someone in the back 7 times unless the person was an imminent threat, so there would be absolute faith in the police officer that he had to have reached for a gun to be shot, irrespective of race.

And then probably somewhere inbetween a mix of the two.

Personally I'd like to wait to see what the investigation and bodycam footage

Same. I heard some rumblings that this police department doesn't have body cameras, which would seriously be a shame. Especially if the police officer tries to justify his actions with that argument that he reached for a gun.

 

[nuttynutskin]

There could be the aspect that someone sees a black male, with multiple police, and who appears to be ignoring commands get into a car and then is fired upon from behind by a police officer assume he was reaching for a weapon because he's black. Unfortunately, this is likely to be thought by some people.

There could be the aspect that a police officer would never shoot someone in the back 7 times unless the person was an imminent threat, so there would be absolute faith in the police officer that he had to have reached for a gun to be shot, irrespective of race.

And then probably somewhere inbetween a mix of the two.

If anything made me think that it's a possibility that he could've been going for a weapon it's the fact that he was disobeying the officer's commands when they already had drawn on him, not the fact he's black or because cops never do anything wrong. But all of this is just speculation at this point. We can't get a clear view of what's happening on the inside of his car.

Same. I heard some rumblings that this police department doesn't have body cameras, which would seriously be a shame. Especially if the police officer tries to justify his actions with that argument that he reached for a gun.

Well that's no good. I definitely think all officers should be wearing bodycams. It protects both officers and suspects.

 

[Deru]

If anything made me think that it's a possibility that he could've been going for a weapon it's the fact that he was disobeying the officer's commands when they already had drawn on him, not the fact he's black or because cops never do anything wrong

Ah, that's a fair point too. Available context, okay, I'm following you now.

But all of this is just speculation at this point. We can't get a clear view of what's happening on the inside of his car.

Absolutely. From what I can gather so far, my speculation based on a bunch of other speculation, is that he just got done breaking up a fight between two women, felt the police were harassing him, and he ignored them because he felt he hadn't done anything wrong and tried to leave. It's probably likely that that speculation will turn to informed opinion as more information comes available - and my initial speculation could be entirely wrong. What I do know is that Ben Crump confirmed all three of his children were in the car - but I suppose even that could prove false.

So, yeah, there's my early speculation based on very loose foundation at this point.

It's just crazy how close to home this one hits, I literally recognize the area I'm seeing on the live feeds, it's almost unreal.

I think the one thing that we could all agree upon, is that the perception of the video given the current climate in our country, could really add a lot of fuel to the fire. And to your point about the gun, if it does wind up being true, I think that could really have some damaging effects to what would then be a severe over reaction.

 

[Deru]

MSM has started to report:

Wisconsin police shoot a Black man as his children watch from a vehicle, attorney says | CNN

Two Kenosha, Wisconsin, police officers are on leave Monday as state authorities investigate why a Black man was shot multiple times in the back as he entered the driver's side door of an SUV, officials said.

www.cnn.com

Kenosha Police Shooting of Black Man Is Investigated by Wisconsin Authorities (Published 2020)

The man was hospitalized in serious condition, the authorities said, and Kenosha declared an overnight curfew as protests grew around the city.

www.nytimes.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/23/kenosha-police-shooting-video-wisconsin/

Michael Bell Sr., who has advocated police reform in Kenosha since his son was fatally shot by a police officer in 2004, said someone had sent him the video of the shooting. “I’m going to withhold my judgment until we see all the facts in this case but it looks pretty bad,” he said.

 

[mal3volent]

Nutty, do you think 7 shots to the back was necessary? Was one, two, three, four, five, or six shots just not enough to do the job? I guess when you don't submit to cops immediately you're just asking for it though.

 

[alasdairm]

go crazy

who's going crazy? nobody in here as far as i can tell - the discussion has been calm and respecful.

It's when we dissect why someone would initially make that argument - reaching for a gun - (and, this is not directed at you specifically, it's only addressing the argument itself.)

There could be the aspect that someone sees a black male, with multiple police, and who appears to be ignoring commands get into a car and then is fired upon from behind by a police officer assume he was reaching for a weapon because he's black. Unfortunately, this is likely to be thought by some people.

indeed.

the alternative - "well he could have been going for a gun" - results in an environment where cops feel empowered to shoot somebody in the back 7 times then ask questions later, or where a man dies because an officer is kneeling on his neck for 8 minutes while the officer continually tells the fading man to "stop resisting" (which seems to have become carte-blanche for extra-judicial murder).

alasdair

 

[TheLoveBandit]

shot in the back, unarmed
are we still making excuses guys?

Not excuses, facts.

• We have no context beyond the short video - we don't know what precipitated what we witnessed. Not a justification, but that we simply don't know.
• On the black guy, he obviously is NOT following orders and is being defiant. We don't know the motivation, only the action.
• On the cop, there are so many thing he is doing wrong BEFORE he gets to the point of shooting the guy SEVEN times.
  • Why aren't the two cops blocking him in, preventing him from attempting to get into the car?
  • Why hasn't one of the cops checked the car and recognized there may be kids inside, and consider how that is playing into the guy's motivations?
  • Why are the cops standing with gun drawn on an unarmed man who is NOT threatening them?

Nutty, do you think 7 shots to the back was necessary? Was one, two, three, four, five, or six shots just not enough to do the job? I guess when you don't submit to cops immediately you're just asking for it though.

Not asked of me, but I'd say ONE shot was unnecessary. The cops should be trained on de-escalating the situation, know how to manage a non-compliant citizen WITHOUT a gun at all, and the weapon is only a last resort when their life is in danger.

Was the black guy 'asking for it' by not complying? He wasn't helping himself or the situation. But the cops own the vast majority of making the situation so much worse than it should have been.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Why would you assume he was going to grab for a gun? That sounds pretty racist, if you want my honest opinion.
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I'm just curious if the same argument would be made had you seen the exact same video, except the victim was a white male?

There is always the possibility, sure. I'm not suggesting there is absolutely no way he could have grabbed for a gun or other weapon.

I'm just wondering if the same amount of benefit would be afforded to the police officer had the victim been white. I just don't instantly think, black man gets in car and cop shoots him 7 times in the back, it must have been a gun - no way would a police officer do that otherwise. I'm not sure what that says about me, except the fact that I don't have much blindless faith and trust in police officers anymore, given the current context of late.

I think you two already hashed it out, but 'reaching for a gun' is not a racial statement. ANY person not complying with orders from law enforcement, ANY person of ANY race, can be going for a gun...or going to calm their kids in the back seat. Race shouldn't be a part of the consideration in what happened, and historically hasn't been until recent concerns brought it into focus. Now, it is the go to before any facts are brought forth. That's a shame, as it casts a shadow over events when it applies or not, and distracts from actual events dictating what happened and why.

I'm color blind on cops actions or citizens actions, for the most part. I believe ANY citizen not complying is worsening the situation for themselves. I believe a cop like that is going to not handle it well regardless of the color of the citizen. I'll admit, it's possible the cop is a bit more on edge with a black citizen, but I can't say it is a factor everytime. So with that, I'll give benefit of the doubt that it is an unstable cop unable to handle ANY citizen behaving that way. Again, we don't know the context of what happened leading up to that.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Well that's no good. I definitely think all officers should be wearing bodycams. It protects both officers and suspects.

Not with 'Defund the Police' gaining momentum. Primary driver for cops not having cams is budget, not a desire to hide their actions. Most, in fact, would prefer to have the cams to help justify their actions.