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The past 5 years or so....i can only get "molly" AND IT SUCKED... is E dead in SoCal?

SoCalChick

SoCalChick

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I am a VERY EXPERIENCED ROLLER. I had it down to a science ...every other weelend or once a month for years with my Rolling buddies...it was a great time of my life. Slowed down like 2007 or so after a bad car wreck and got new jobs etc...but it still was quality when i got it and so was the G (yes i only take them both together....GHB or 1,4 with a tab...lasts like 6+ hrs normally).

But the last time it all worked like it should was in 2012. Leftover stuff i had hidden away. Since then...all i can get IF ANYTHING is "molly" and sure it felt clean...but much more like MDEA than MDMA....if it weren't for a small.shot of 1,4 i probably wouldn't have felt anything (and believe it or not my tolerance never built up....and i never got tired of it all..).. Hell it's my thing, and i have no interest to get in debates about my life choices.

Anyway, wtf? So am i just not finding the same kimda stuff that used to be everywhere and pretty easy to get? Or is"molly" the weak lame new cousin of E that is all to be found???? I am in my 40s and Asian in SoCal...I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET E AND G.

i mean...really

yes i know it was a dying scene before COVID...so??? Help me out here; let me know if i am just not finding people with quality strong clean "old-school" stuff or what? Cuz sometimes dammit i want to just roll and chill out listening to music with a bit of G....and i swear i can probably get crack, smack, and a trannie hooker to administrator it to me faster that i can ever find a basic E tab. (That was hypothetical....i'm getting pissed off.)

I dont wanna know WHERE to find it or anything just whether or not it is OUT THERE. When most clubs left LA for Vegas the scene here started dying but it was still here (tho virtual right now) and i wanna play sometimes ya know? Hear some great DJs and feel like myself again... Give me some faith about this LOL.
 
Not sure what to tell you, but it is out there! Not even particularly hard to find stuff of a good grade too. MDMA has pretty much never been more available and tends to be a high purity.
 
idk man that sucks, i'm sorry to hear that you're getting meh shit.

there's a giant thread about the subjective lacking qualities in a lot of mass market mdma today, all them scientifical types are going on about why and how and when, it's interesting to read even if it's potentially grasping at straws more than anything.

i'm not really surprised that such a pleasant substance with increasing popularity has had some issues with quality as the manufacturers attempt to provide enough product at a low enough price point production wise to turn a profit.
 
Molly and E are both referring to the same thing - 3,4-methylenedioxy-methamphetamine.

Shit product can be sold either way no matter what people refer to it as. One drake will call it one thing, probably whatever his customers prefer, and the next guy will do the same.

Have you ever tested your product each time? That would be the easiest way to get at least a qualitative comparison on product. Additionally there is some discussion on changes in product effects depending on which precursors are used

All of that said, I think use still likely played a roll. I’ve never known a single person ever to use that much and have the effects not fade. That level of abuse will lead to a lot of changes in brain chemistry without question.
 
Yea every 2-4 weeks is simply too much IMO. That said SoCal does have a decent “Ecstasy” scene and in fact that’s where most the presses are found in this country. G6 is a local press crew.

But the presses in your area aren’t much better I’m afraid :( everyone on Reddit swore how dope these G6 presses were so I went out of my way to import some only to be highly disappointed.

I can only surmise SoCal scene is full of 16-somethings that don’t know shit bout MDxx.

Good MDMA crystal can be found, just keep looking... I’m a 30-something been going at it since I was 16 and still find amazing product, in fact much better than my early days. Some years better than others though.

-GC
 
Molly, E, Ecstasy, MD all are the same shit man. People just decide to think they're different shit for some reason, or as a way of selling cut shit ig.

You either purchased some bunk ass MD, MD cut to shit with something else, or it wasn't MD at all. Just find a good plug
 
All I can say is...the exact same thing happened to me.

I rolled regularly, about once a month, from 2000-2005 or so. Like you, I had it down to a science. In the later years, I rolled with my partner and we both had very reliable and predictable effects. Had we experienced some minimal changes in effect over the years? Yes. Were those changes significant enough that we no longer "rolled" or that we no longer felt the experience was "magical?" No.

I was not an excessive "binge roller." I took 2-3 pills in one session.

During those years, I sent many pills to Drugs Data/Dancesafe and they were MDMA. They were not a mix of MDMA and other ingredients.

For that entire time, we had one supplier who was selling pills that had been imported. Then, some shit went down in our area and there was a major bust that broke up an importation ring. It was all over the news. After that, our supplier decided to quit and pursue a family life.

After that, I could never find anything other than MDMA powder, aka Molly. The "molly" had a totally different effects profile from the pills that I used to get. I sent it to the lab too. It also appeared to be MDMA.

The difference in experience was night and day. The new MDMA did not have the same effects as the old MDMA, at all. But both were tested by labs to be MDMA!

I have never been able to find the same product that I used to buy, but I also have no connections in "the scene" and limited options for where/how to obtain product.

Believe me, I have asked myself if the problem is me, and I have seriously considered whether it is a "loss of magic" issue. What makes me think that is not the case is that everyone else who has taken the molly (or Meh-DMA as we call it in the other thread), has had the same subpar experience. I have given it to new users and experienced users alike. Also, how likely is it that the sudden change in experience correlated with the change in suppliers?

Without me listing off what I notice about the differences, I would really like to know what differences you observed to see if it aligns with what I noticed. I also have a few questions for you...

Have you given the new product to anyone else and did they have the same experience as you?
Did you test the product either with reagents or by sending to a lab?
Has anything changed for you hormonally such as BC pills (I am assuming from your user name that you are female)?

Also, please come chat with us over here: https://www.bluelight.org/xf/thread...available-today.791073/page-273#post-14919660

We have been discussing this issue for years and trying to figure out the reasons that MDMA may be so different from batch to batch.
 
SoCalChick said:
I am a VERY EXPERIENCED ROLLER. I had it down to a science ...every other weelend or once a month for years with my Rolling buddies...it was a great time of my life. Slowed down like 2007 or so after a bad car wreck and got new jobs etc...but it still was quality when i got it and so was the G (yes i only take them both together....GHB or 1,4 with a tab...lasts like 6+ hrs normally).

But the last time it all worked like it should was in 2012. Leftover stuff i had hidden away. Since then...all i can get IF ANYTHING is "molly" and sure it felt clean...but much more like MDEA than MDMA....if it weren't for a small.shot of 1,4 i probably wouldn't have felt anything (and believe it or not my tolerance never built up....and i never got tired of it all..).. Hell it's my thing, and i have no interest to get in debates about my life choices.

Anyway, wtf? So am i just not finding the same kimda stuff that used to be everywhere and pretty easy to get? Or is"molly" the weak lame new cousin of E that is all to be found???? I am in my 40s and Asian in SoCal...I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET E AND G.

i mean...really

yes i know it was a dying scene before COVID...so??? Help me out here; let me know if i am just not finding people with quality strong clean "old-school" stuff or what? Cuz sometimes dammit i want to just roll and chill out listening to music with a bit of G....and i swear i can probably get crack, smack, and a trannie hooker to administrator it to me faster that i can ever find a basic E tab. (That was hypothetical....i'm getting pissed off.)

I dont wanna know WHERE to find it or anything just whether or not it is OUT THERE. When most clubs left LA for Vegas the scene here started dying but it was still here (tho virtual right now) and i wanna play sometimes ya know? Hear some great DJs and feel like myself again... Give me some faith about this LOL.
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I just got the real deal holyfield molly from SoCal. First legit shit in 5-7 years, its out there, keep looking.
 
BK38 said:
Not sure what to tell you, but it is out there! Not even particularly hard to find stuff of a good grade too. MDMA has pretty much never been more available and tends to be a high purity.
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Not if you started rolling before 2005
 
Well I took a long break from MDMA like 8 or 9 years until this summer. I had no issues back then the last times I had it and rolled like I should have and didn't really abuse it IMO. Well fast forward to this spring/summer and I probably rolled like once or twice each month for a 4 month period. All of the pills tested to be MDMA or MDA and all of them seemed like they were lacking something. Just felt way weaker than what they were advertised and I never got that incredible lovey dovey feeling. There is most certainly something going on these days and the next time I wanna roll I'll probably just use one of the APB's.
 
Cosmic Charlie said:
Well I took a long break from MDMA like 8 or 9 years until this summer. I had no issues back then the last times I had it and rolled like I should have and didn't really abuse it IMO. Well fast forward to this spring/summer and I probably rolled like once or twice each month for a 4 month period. All of the pills tested to be MDMA or MDA and all of them seemed like they were lacking something. Just felt way weaker than what they were advertised and I never got that incredible lovey dovey feeling. There is most certainly something going on these days and the next time I wanna roll I'll probably just use one of the APB's.
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Yeah, my partner had a 5+ year break and he was completely underwhelmed by the "roll."
 
1. (E, Xtc, Mdma, Molly,) should be same product different name, in case of E or pills-shape/size/color
2. the market is bigger probably not only by population using, also by age-range, more open minds, so everyone today thinks there "Walter White" because of internet recipies
3. Infact using test-kits todays pills or Mdxx, show significant high amount like 270 mg E pill which leads to liver toxicity, neurotoxicity and with 1/4 but or G...you say 6 hours pure euphoria, brain is on fire! 6-7 years ago Mdma and GHB was also my best combo!
4. 115-180mg twice max 3x a year should be normal time for serotonin reuptake without any vit/min/5htp pills which are mostly 1-5% oral bioavailability, only the best natural food and training produces endorphins very fast for chain-reaction
5. Stress-trigers in your life (cortisol-level, testosterone level....liver capacity enzymes....other organs while ageing)? Let's say that Corona stay-home induce depression doesnt exist!

I'm almost 35, last year i was also frustrated like you, thinking, how when I was 25-28 product was better? no, i just waited 2 years and when I used E again with G it was like
"that's the shit" also company must be good!

Stay safe and health
 
out of about 20 there is only 2-3 vendors on the DNM that still sells real MDMA ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (in the USA)

I'm sure its way better in the EU....

just like ketamine most of it in the US is fake RC bullshit.... EU has it way better with certain drugs.... the only thing the US has going is good weed and brown mexican heroin (which is shit right now.... I don't do H anymore but last few times I was in the market for it was trash shit, its not 2005 anymore, its trash)

at least you can still get good LSD here... I can testify to that.
 
I started heavy into rolling in 1995. Never took it too far but I was fully involved and plugged in. A person who has always known the right people and still does. By 2010 things started to change and obtaining a proper roll was much more difficult. The theory of “losing the magic” is total bs in my very experienced opinion. What once was is gone. I suspect there are precursors that have become nearly impossible to secure and that party is just over. Anyone arguing with that just doesn’t know or can’t let go. I think the OP is correct, it’s not what it was. It’s hard to let go of because there was truly nothing like it. But we have the memories and it shaped us as people in positive ways. I remember. You remember. Thousands of others do. That’s something we share as a collective and it can’t be taken away. Probably best to move on and accept it, imho. Peace
 
Anonsalon said:
I started heavy into rolling in 1995. Never took it too far but I was fully involved and plugged in. A person who has always known the right people and still does. By 2010 things started to change and obtaining a proper roll was much more difficult. The theory of “losing the magic” is total bs in my very experienced opinion. What once was is gone. I suspect there are precursors that have become nearly impossible to secure and that party is just over. Anyone arguing with that just doesn’t know or can’t let go. I think the OP is correct, it’s not what it was. It’s hard to let go of because there was truly nothing like it. But we have the memories and it shaped us as people in positive ways. I remember. You remember. Thousands of others do. That’s something we share as a collective and it can’t be taken away. Probably best to move on and accept it, imho. Peace
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Also, there have been many substitutes that were close, but not quite close enough. The old school heads noticed, but the mass market had no idea. Gen X is small and doesn’t have the economic power that the younger gens have. Why take the risk to appease the minority (who mostly aged out, btw) when there is a massive gen of younger parties who are happy with the current product that is cheaper and safer to produce? It’s economics. Like I said before, at least we had those moments with the good good. Everyone’s hands in the air, hugging and feeling alive like no others have before or probably will after. Thanks to the suppliers in Holland, the promoters, the dis that knew how to bring us all together at just the right moment. and bless mr. Shulgin. We are the lucky ones. I just feel sorry for all of those kids today who not only missed that, but are growing up with little hope for the future. Some of us experienced true love and happiness and it’s our job to pass that on to the kids who can’t find it in an abandoned warehouse and a pill. Now let’s just use that peace love unity and respect we all found to help these kids who see nothing but despair. If anyone can do that, it’s us. The ones left who know how good it can be. These kids need us now. We know what true love, community and hope is because we were blessed to have found a little subculture that has come and gone. We can’t give them old school E and parks packed with kids hugging and dancing to house, but we can use what we learned to brighten this shithole and help a generation of hopeless wanderers find something else. Maybe something better
 
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2005 my first E in Bangkok, very nice feel but paid for it the next 1 1/2 days.Stayed there for 3 months and had different quailty from varies suppliers. 2006 back in L.A got a few different batch, not as good and some were weaker.FF 2015 Bangkok got a hold of a very nice batch, about 80% compared to 2005 but I was abe to function at 80% to 90% the following day. Still have 1 left and saving for the right moment.
 
Yes, it's here. I'm in Los Angeles area and high quality stuff is available but it's not cheap. I wish we had the prices in UK/Amsterdam. Crazy cheap there.
 
JustSayYesToDrugs said:
Yes, it's here. I'm in Los Angeles area and high quality stuff is available but it's not cheap. I wish we had the prices in UK/Amsterdam. Crazy cheap there.
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The price is based at the city it is in... i', from L.A. and not everything is priced out like one is expecting
 
It exists. What you might be referring to though is way purer cleaner MDMA than what is available today.
Things change a lot when connected groups get compromised by the authorities. There are not infinite in availability which I believe has pushed things more underground ie the dark net.
I can remember when getting good MDMA was barely any issue and this was no more than a decade or so ago.
It looks like you can get anything you want on the DNMs but WHAT exactly are you getting? There is several more degrees of seperation today caused by the reshuffling of how people buy and sell drugs and this naturally (I think, anyway) is going to grant more 'allowances' in terms of what you can get away with when there isn't the same level of accountability. And so what your sources might get might be coming from an avatar and a username on a dark net market somewhere because he'd rather deal with somebody where he can keep a distance instead of being at the 'street/community' level where you are more exposed. I guess it also depends where you live as well.

I wonder if there is anything out there on the decreased affinity to experience MDMA. I wouldn't think it would be so pronounced unless obvious patterns were involved ie blatant abuse, consistent stressors in life, medication interfering etc. You never hear of people not tripping on LSD for example unless they have built their tolerance way up. MDMA works with serotonin too, so why the big difference in peoples subjective experiences? Interesting area to study. There seems way more variables involved.
 
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