Police Brutality Thread

[✿Dai₷y✿]

Fairly certain MLK and Malcolm would be ashamed. Demonstrations should not cost taxpayers millions of dollars, especially during a time when
the entire world is suffering due to Covid's economic implications. Can hardly be described as marching.
A lot of factors contributed to public reaction IMO. Unrest and uncertainty due to Covid, the stay at home orders, ( sheer boredom) and lack of human interaction ( no replacement for face to face), etc. Hell, the masks stress me the fuck out! If there was ever a time for unity, it is now. So tired of the word patriotism.
We're ALL in the same boat.
And the fact is, #1 cause of death for young black man is murder by another black man ( in the us, assume due to constant civil unrest it's the same in Africa, not to mention Mexico and south America). Police in those countries don't play.
The stigma and biases claimed by the black community are real.
But it cannot be denied that a lot of it is earned. Dont claim black lives matter then fail to show that by example from within your ( self separated, we're not chanting ALL lives matter) group.

I don't know if black leaders of times past could relate to modern day society but if they could be here and use their voices like they did , would they have had any effect on stopping the clashes and rioting? Who knows, strong leaders have generally got a firm yet calming way of addressing large crowds with good effect, maybe that is what a missing, like a voice of reason public figure that can reach out and influence peaceful protests?

The peaceful protests were not covered well by the media and the focus changed .




I think in general the BLM movement has done the population overall a favour by bringing to international attention the issue that is at hand and it was them that took action and protested police brutality against black people in particular.

It can be generally assumed that there are countless incidents of excessive force and deaths at the hands of police against people they are meant to be protecting regardless of race.

Police have not had to be accountable for their actions to a ridiculous degree so clearly white people get bashed, killed, any gender skin colour sexuality.

The thing is, the BLM movement took the lead and took to the streets with basically anyone black or white joining this.

If any change is forthcoming then the whole community will benefit , at least be encouraged to speak out when rights or life are denied especially when caught on camera.

The issue at hand isn't crimes against each other as far as I can see realky, what can anyone say about that when faced with such disdain for a human life by police? The momentum is lasting and it might be enough to change some things yet people overall don't have long attention spans, are weary of violence in the states, at least from an outsiders perspective.

Hope things get better there.

 

[JGrimez]

Come on. Look at the government. All white.

Hehe, funny.
Mark Cuban just tried to post a 'self-hating white guilt' Tweet but got called out hard for being Jewish.
This is such an important distinction that will never be discussed in detail on a forum like this.
Also there have been plenty of black people in positions of power, sometimes in all positions of power in a specific city. Liberals should ask themselves why that doesn't seem to help the situation of blacks in those cities (Obama's hometown of Chicago got much worse over the two terms he served as POTUS - so no excuses - this isn't about race).

If it's not because of systemic racism, then are you saying it's a characteristic of black people to be violent and poor?

I never said systemic racism was never a problem, it definitely is. Most people on this forum are not honest about it though because they're leftists and it was a lot of Democrat policies which led to black people's situation today. Blame white people all day, blame Republicans for being racist but never hold Democrats to account. In my opinion that's a lot of politicized (and some fake) outrage. IMO what's much worse than not caring about black people is pretending that you care about black people (Democrats not only started the KKK but they deny it. Hillary Clinton's mentor was a grand-fucking-wizard of the KKK).

So let me ask you honestly - do you think that all races are equally the same?
Is it racist to say that there are differences between races? Because obviously there are, what I'm interested to see is where the line is for the PC folk among you.
For eg we can say that black people are racially superior in terms of athletics - look how many world records they've broken. Now if we were to analyze that further, black people lived for hundreds of thousands possibly even millions of years in an environment that was very different to modern-day US cities. Athletic performance was an evolutionary advantage in that environment, along with traits like aggression. In modern-day USA the traits of athleticism are HIGHLY prized but the traits of aggression or anti-social behavior, not so much.

So what's interesting for me is that this is one plausible and sensible explanation for why we see disproportionate rates of aggression and violence among blacks in the USA - and the liberals do like to blame past historical experience for the outcomes that we see today - however what I just said would rustle their racism jimmies. They can only view historical affects in terms of whites affecting blacks not in terms of explaining differences via the vast majority of their adaptive evolution.

So to answer your question. Poor - no. Violent- possibly? But you have to look at it in terms of evolutionary benefit.

Check and mate. I eagerly await to see if we'll get the typical misdirectional response here or an inflammatory response, there's no way to respond to this one without admitting the flawed views, so possibly both.

When you're petrified to tell the truth you only checkmate yourself.

 

[Deru]

When you're petrified to tell the truth you only checkmate yourself.

Misdirectional it is, props at least on leaving the inflammatory portion out.

 

[JGrimez]

Misdirection is you blaming white people for everything.

And I thought what I just wrote was inflammatory (for BL standards) I expected the post to be removed.

 

[Deru]

Misdirection is you blaming white people for everything.

And I thought what I just wrote was inflammatory I expected the post to be removed.

Well, first of all, that's not very nice then.

Second of all, when have I ever blamed white people for everything, or when has anyone here to be honest? You keep trying to cast people into these labels and wide nets who don't fit in with your views, how's that working out for you?

 

[JGrimez]

What's misdirectional about my post? What did I miss?
Do you recognize previous Democrat policies that made things worse for black people?

 

[Deru]

What's misdirectional about my post? What did I miss?
Do you recognize previous Democrat policies that made things worse for black people?

You're grabbing at straws here bro, desperately attempting to keep the misdirection going. What I want to know, honestly, is your anger fueled by your paranoia and fear as well? What's the end game, the perfect way this all works out, in your opinion?

 

[JGrimez]

I asked you a question based on policies that you could've agreed with or refuted with facts.
Since you cannot, and it hurts your narrative, you resort to the personal attack.
I also asked what was misdirectional about my post.
If you can't answer clear and logical questions in a mature way, then maybe you shouldn't comment at all.

 

[Deru]

I asked you a question based on policies that you could've agreed with or refuted with facts.
Since you cannot, and it hurts your narrative, you resort to the personal attack.
I also asked what was misdirectional about my post.
If you can't answer clear and logical questions in a mature way, then maybe you shouldn't comment at all.

But when I do, you either incite, inflame, or misdirect, or worse, take my posts out of context. So, you've taken civil debate off the table, with your own actions. You can't expect people to continue to engage in discussion with you when you act like that.

 

[JGrimez]

You just look like you're deflecting which is hilarious because I'm asking you to explain your accusation that I'm deflecting.
Please answer the questions, I promise I will stay civil (ironic that you're the one who broke decorum here).

 

[JGrimez]

 

[Deru]

You just look like you're deflecting which is hilarious because I'm asking you to explain your accusation that I'm deflecting.
Please answer the questions, I promise I will stay civil (ironic that you're the one who broke decorum here).

Sometimes the only way to fight fire is with fire my friend.

 

[Deru]

Lol I saw this, crying because her Eggg McMuffin took too long and she was paranoid McDonalds was out to get her. And we entrust them with guns and the ability to take away our freedom.

 

[negrogesic]

This is amazon's big contribution



He's encouraging people to cancel their meetings (but not to stop working)

He should have told people that if they must conduct meetings that they should dim their lights slightly in remembrance of juneteenth.

 

[JGrimez]

 

[sewerslide.666mg]

I'm getting off this thread last word ACAB FTP

 

[JGrimez]

Interesting argument

 

[JGrimez]

Who the fuck does this

 

[jackie jones]

I like that cops are getting nervous getting fast food because of someone doing something specific to it, not because it is garbage made by people with questionable habits of cleanliness...

 

[Xorkoth]

I never said systemic racism was never a problem, it definitely is. Most people on this forum are not honest about it though because they're leftists and it was a lot of Democrat policies which led to black people's situation today. Blame white people all day, blame Republicans for being racist but never hold Democrats to account. In my opinion that's a lot of politicized (and some fake) outrage. IMO what's much worse than not caring about black people is pretending that you care about black people (Democrats not only started the KKK but they deny it. Hillary Clinton's mentor was a grand-fucking-wizard of the KKK).

I didn't say a single thing about political affiliation in my post. But since you brought it up, the Democratic party of long ago is not at all the same as the Democratic party of today. In fact Lincoln was a Republican, repubs of that day were more or less the dems of today, the parties' positions, in very fundamental ways, have changed over time. Also Hillary's grandmaster was a grandmaster, yes. Who refuted the whole organization publicly and wrote a piece on how wrong it was and how much he regrets it and considers it "the biggest mistake he ever made". Well before she was even thinking of running for president (1997).

Again I didn't, and wouldn't have, brought up anything about political affiliation as IMO it's entirely irrelevant to this conversation, but I wanted to point out a couple of things. Also yeah, Hillary is sketchy. In fact I am starting to think that, viewed from a future historical perspective, Trump was the right choice in 2016 simply because we needed an anti-establishment candidate. Between Trump and Sanders, Sanders would have been a far better choice if we had been given that option because, though not perfect, he is anti-establishment with good intentions, whereas Trump ran on anti-establishment because of seeing the desire for it in society, for narcissistic purposes. But at least his presidency has shaken things up, which is what we needed.

So let me ask you honestly - do you think that all races are equally the same?
Is it racist to say that there are differences between races? Because obviously there are, what I'm interested to see is where the line is for the PC folk among you.
For eg we can say that black people are racially superior in terms of athletics - look how many world records they've broken. Now if we were to analyze that further, black people lived for hundreds of thousands possibly even millions of years in an environment that was very different to modern-day US cities. Athletic performance was an evolutionary advantage in that environment, along with traits like aggression. In modern-day USA the traits of athleticism are HIGHLY prized but the traits of aggression or anti-social behavior, not so much.

No, of course all races are not literally the same, the differences are what make us different races as a species. I think we should be treating everyone with egalitarian consideration for their needs, not exactly equal. Which we are not doing.

So what's interesting for me is that this is one plausible and sensible explanation for why we see disproportionate rates of aggression and violence among blacks in the USA - and the liberals do like to blame past historical experience for the outcomes that we see today - however what I just said would rustle their racism jimmies. They can only view historical affects in terms of whites affecting blacks not in terms of explaining differences via the vast majority of their adaptive evolution.

I think it's both at least to some extent. It may very well be that genetically some people are more prone to aggression. But look at where the worst of it is happening. It's happening in areas of poverty coupled with population density. In fact increased violence and crime happens with all races in those conditions. Look at communities with middle or upper class black people and I would bet you don't see disproportionate rates of violence and crime from them. The black people engaging in gang violence and murder/etc are doing it in poverty-stricken urban areas for the most part. So the question then is, if black people are a substantial minority of the total population, and the violence is being committed by those in poverty-stricken urban areas... what does that say about the percentage of black people who are poverty-stricken? And what does that say about the state of black America? And why is it this way? And how much of that is due to systemic racism and its legacy?