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Everyone has their own opinion. "Anyone but TRUMP!" vs "TRUMP is better than anything else".

Pick your poison at the polling booth.


Query, and you don't have to answer - did you have and/or give up US citizenship? Just wondering if you still have a vote of your own.
 
Everyone has their own opinion. "Anyone but TRUMP!" vs "TRUMP is better than anything else".

Pick your poison at the polling booth.


Query, and you don't have to answer - did you have and/or give up US citizenship? Just wondering if you still have a vote of your own.

I'm still a citizen yeah. There's no way for me to lose it except by choice. For either of my citizenships. And yes to my understanding I could mail-in vote in my last state of residence (Florida).

I've looked into this in the past, but I haven't previously thought it so critically important to be bothered going through the paperwork to make it happen.

And it's not that I believe there couldn't be a worse president than trump. He's not the worst president America could ever have. But right now yes I'd say just about any other choice would be an improvement.
 
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Trump IS beatable. But if enough people on the left don't vote, or throw their vote away, that'll help a lot in ensuring he wins again.

What do you mean by "throw their vote away"?

As far as whether or not Trump is beatable, or whether Biden is preferable...honestly, if you were to ask a lot of people on the "moderate Left" who'd they prefer as president right now, Trump or George W. Bush, you'd probably get a lot of people who'd answer "George W. Bush", despite the fact that Bush started a conflict on false pretenses which slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people (something that Trump hasn't done, YET). I think sometimes people take the "anyone but Trump" line too far because they find Trump just so incredibly offensive that they're willing to do and support just about anything to get him removed. There are definitely some arguments in favor of removing Trump at all costs...the two I find most convincing are 1) a second term for Trump will bear witness to "Trump unleashed" lol...Trump will spin his re-election as his ultimate vindication and mandate, and who knows where that'll lead, as Trump has an astute but cynical understanding of political power, and 2) four more years of Trump will do a huge amount of damage to the natural world through his corrupt and self-serving environmental policies at a critical time for the planet (although Biden's environmental/climate action plans aren't nearly ambitious enough IMO, he may be movable on the issue if enough outside pressure is applied)

BUT, the left-wing folks have equally valid arguments for NOT voting for Biden. Two from them are 1) pledging your vote to a political party regardless of what they're gonna do for ensures that they'll never do anything for you, as the one bit of leverage you possess (your vote) is something they already have, and 2) relentlessly participating in "lesser of two evils" voting inevitably leads to nothing to a deeply compromised political system that lurches farther and farther to the right.

It's definitely a matter of debate on the political left. Noam Chomsky recently said that all of us on the left should just suck it up and vote Biden, comparing the election to the political situation in Germany during the 1930's (with Trump in the role of Hitler, I guess)...but other people are highly skeptical of this interpretation, which was the same one he had during the 2016 Trump vs. Clinton contest. For a lot of people on the left Trump is the Antichrist and they're all just still bummed that the impeachment didn't work out so we could all be enjoying President Mike Pence, and for those people yeah, the strategy of "anyone but Trump" probably does make a lot of sense. But for those of us who view Trump as a symptom of a larger, systemic problem, it's not so clear-cut what our strategy going forward should be. Personally I'm at the point where, from the anti-Trump perspective, I'm sympathetic to both the pro-strategic vote for Biden and the anti-strategic vote for Biden camp. Maybe some people think that a Biden presidency will be marginally better for the environment or they just think that Trump is one of those "special cases", like Hitler, where he needs to be defeated at any and all costs...but maybe they also think that Biden is just such a god-awful person who represents just about everything wrong with politics and everything the left stands against and they can't stomach voting for him. I get that too.
 
What do you mean by "throw their vote away"?

As far as whether or not Trump is beatable, or whether Biden is preferable...honestly, if you were to ask a lot of people on the "moderate Left" who'd they prefer as president right now, Trump or George W. Bush, you'd probably get a lot of people who'd answer "George W. Bush", despite the fact that Bush started a conflict on false pretenses which slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people (something that Trump hasn't done, YET). I think sometimes people take the "anyone but Trump" line too far because they find Trump just so incredibly offensive that they're willing to do and support just about anything to get him removed. There are definitely some arguments in favor of removing Trump at all costs...the two I find most convincing are 1) a second term for Trump will bear witness to "Trump unleashed" lol...Trump will spin his re-election as his ultimate vindication and mandate, and who knows where that'll lead, as Trump has an astute but cynical understanding of political power, and 2) four more years of Trump will do a huge amount of damage to the natural world through his corrupt and self-serving environmental policies at a critical time for the planet (although Biden's environmental/climate action plans aren't nearly ambitious enough IMO, he may be movable on the issue if enough outside pressure is applied)

BUT, the left-wing folks have equally valid arguments for NOT voting for Biden. Two from them are 1) pledging your vote to a political party regardless of what they're gonna do for ensures that they'll never do anything for you, as the one bit of leverage you possess (your vote) is something they already have, and 2) relentlessly participating in "lesser of two evils" voting inevitably leads to nothing to a deeply compromised political system that lurches farther and farther to the right.

It's definitely a matter of debate on the political left. Noam Chomsky recently said that all of us on the left should just suck it up and vote Biden, comparing the election to the political situation in Germany during the 1930's (with Trump in the role of Hitler, I guess)...but other people are highly skeptical of this interpretation, which was the same one he had during the 2016 Trump vs. Clinton contest. For a lot of people on the left Trump is the Antichrist and they're all just still bummed that the impeachment didn't work out so we could all be enjoying President Mike Pence, and for those people yeah, the strategy of "anyone but Trump" probably does make a lot of sense. But for those of us who view Trump as a symptom of a larger, systemic problem, it's not so clear-cut what our strategy going forward should be. Personally I'm at the point where, from the anti-Trump perspective, I'm sympathetic to both the pro-strategic vote for Biden and the anti-strategic vote for Biden camp. Maybe some people think that a Biden presidency will be marginally better for the environment or they just think that Trump is one of those "special cases", like Hitler, where he needs to be defeated at any and all costs...but maybe they also think that Biden is just such a god-awful person who represents just about everything wrong with politics and everything the left stands against and they can't stomach voting for him. I get that too.

It's not that trumps offensive, it's that he is doing long term damage to the conventional limitations of presidential power, and that in a crisis, like the one we face now, he is so poor a president that many lives will be lost that could have been saved.

Was Bush perfect? Oh God no. But yeah, I'd rather have Bush in another 9/11 scenario than Trump.

Is Biden an example of everything wrong with politics? Perhaps. But I still believe an administration under him is far less likely to result in as much harm in the near and long term than another 4 years of trump.

Trumps not a Hitler, perhaps he would have been had he been born in a different time and risen in a different society and government, but such conjecture is pointless. In practice he's not a Hitler. But he doesn't have to be to be so great a danger as to be worth defeating, even if it means accepting all the faults of a Biden presidency.

I don't disagree that valid arguments can be had about this, but it's my opinion that there aren't many people who would be worse than trump in terms of practical danger to America, and the world right now.

It's not just the danger to American lives and the conventional constraints of the office of President, it's also the danger to American foreign interests, with him aiding historical enemies and pushing away historical allies.

I don't think waiting for 4 more years in which trump isn't even worrying about reelection is a risk worth taking just because the alternative isn't that great, and won't result in the kind of positive change many might hope for.

I think you gotta stop the bleeding before you can treat the rest of the damage, so to speak.
 
It's nothing to do with freedom.

Freedom (as in the social kind we talk about in politics) does not mean you have the right to do absolutely anything and everything you like in any context.

The kind of freedom they're wishing for has never existed.
 
Lol if all trump voters could go follow their great leaders advise and inject disinfectant to kill covid-19. Fuck that orange cunt is a walking meme retard but is a reflection also of the average IQ of the american voter.
 
Black people in the U.S., at least according to data out there, have an average IQ of 85, and probably more than 90% of them voted for Obama...

Just saying. Also not trying to get into an argument about race and IQ (again), and also not saying that there is not some huge environmental element of IQ that plays at least a big role in the "lower" black IQ. I am gifted to have a couple of African friends on Facebook, and both are intelligent, witty, humorous, in ways definitely more than me - I can see. So I can argue that their "lower" IQ may not be genetic. But again, here, they test at an average of 85, right now (whites about 100), and most of them voted for Obama, I'd bet over 90% to take a guess. Just to keep things clear.

I think a lot of Trump voters, like has been said, are voting for the lesser of evils, to them. Trump is the only one at least nodding to anti-Globalist sentiments, the only one not bending the knee to it... right now. Now, even formerly "right" people, such as the Bushes, even Obama, {don't} seem to be against complete replacement mass immigration. I think people are, in a way at least, voting out of fear, because Democrats are just a downward hill, ball rolling, no real plan or direction, forsaking the populace that exists here already, just wanting votes (so bring in as many people from the "outside" as they can). Yes, Trump voters may in a sense be voting against their interests, especially the ones you might often see flying the Trump campaign things, those "low IQ" so people think, non-college educated (how many blacks that voted for Obama didn't graduate high school?), but how did this happen, in the first place, that they can't afford basic healthcare, that their jobs (or prospects) are outsourced--->sent overseas? What has been done, for many years, now, "free trade" and all that.

I really don't have a handle on it, but I get an idea.

Trump is also not threatening to take our "AR-14s" away, like Beto O'Rourke the man that is not very different from a woman-->on the way to be just like the globalists want. Like Biden.

I called Trump an idiot, then immediately lost friends on Facebook, where I said it (it was in response to his slow response to the virus, the saying it was "just the flu, bro", basically to begin) and I wondered if it was for it. Now with the disinfectant comments and bringing light into the body I again feel somewhat validated. But a choice between him and Biden... I hate to say it's probably going to be Trump, for me. Or Vermin Supreme.

But I don't know what's next. Not sleepy Joe, that's at least what. Maybe a better Republican, or Libertarian, or something.

The democrats are going full-socialist/communist. And no border to the U.S.

Edit: Something didn't make sense the way I wanted it to. I added {don't} above to try to make sense.
 
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Trump is also not threatening to take our "AR-14s" away, like Beto O'Rourke the man that is not very different from a woman-->on the way to be just like the globalists want.

What do you mean by this? The globalists want men and women to be the same?
 
But a choice between him and Biden... I hate to say it's probably going to be Trump,

Arguably both candidates are geriatrics, but... really? You'd want 4 more years of an orangutan slashing and burning the government? Biden can string together a sentence, and also doesn't seem to be abusing Sudafed like Trumpy does. And he does have sexual assault cases, but not as many as DJT (nor are they as heinous). Instead of grabbing 'em by the pussy he just kind of smells the ladies' hair instead. An incremental improvement, in my book.

Yes, Joe Biden is hardly an all-star or a socialist hardliner, but he's far less offensive than Trump is. Biden is the tapioca pudding of presidential candidates. Trump, on the other hand, is a sundae composed of two scoops of aged dogshit, a handful of needles with AIDS-infected HepC blood in them, all topped off with a healthy measure of feral weasel urine. It's served by launching the dish at your anus (spoon and all) with a pneumatic catapult.

Sanders is still my ideal choice. Y'all yankees need a stiff drink of socialism. Why it's considered a bad word in the USA escapes me. Is it related to the "me, me, me" attitude some people down there have? ("I paid my way through college, bought a house and a car, and started a family while working at a Pizza Hut! You fucking kids don't deserve any handouts! I got mine, why do we need to provide for other people? Stop complaining about tuition and get a second job, or stop eating so much avocado toast. Mwah mwah nyah mwyah nyah mwayh, mwah nyah mwwah. (read: Charlie Brown muted-trumpet adult noises)")

Trumps not a Hitler,

Donny boy manages to make ol' Adolf look like a prim and proper statesman. At least Hitler was a good public speaker. Very forceful and authoritative. Trump seems like a wish washy weasel in comparison.

There's some similarities though: both of them are probably hardcore stimulant addicts, which leads to their impulsivity and lack of emotional control. I wonder who Trump's got as his version of Theo Morell?

The democrats are going full-socialist/communist.

Good. Maybe they';ll drag your country, kicking and screaming, into the modern age where healthcare is considered a basic human right, and people won't have to choose between insulin and rent (or dialysis and rent, or surgery and rent, or $3000 bills for a Rx of antibiotics, etc.)

As a dirty Canadian leftist commie agitator, I have no problem paying tax dollars towards the services the city/government provides to me. Roads and sidewalks, plumbing and water supply, the bus system, the medical system, the school system, and so on, I am more than happy to fund, as I know the benefits of a good educational system pay for thelselves many times over.

I also am in favour of a universal basic income. As a matter of practicality, it'd be simpler overall to gut the welfare/assistance programs (you'd no longer need to pay for administrative staff, paperwork, enforcement of welfare fraud, and the like) and either re-allocate the cash or just hand it out to all the citizens. Plenty of studies show that basically everyone's life would improve with a regular, no-strings-attached cash infusion every month - it removes the onus to take whatever employment is around (usually low paying menial labour) simply to continue ramining housed and fed, and provides an easy exit to the rat race so many people find themselves in. (Lots of people end up where they can't advance their career, due to being a low level grunt in charge of mopping the urinals. It doesn't help that mopping urinals doesn't pay enough to allow you to change your career easily - It'd be difficult enough to save for unexpected emergencies, how do you think you'd afford a certifcate that costs the better part of your paycheque? You're trapped, and the only way out is winning the lottery, a transition to a homeless vagabond, or death. And the companies love it.)

The globalists

Is "globalist" a Bad Word too, now? What's so wrong about having a cosmopolitan perspective?
 
I use those words, uh, not sure what the word to describe how, but I'm not necessarily anti-"socialist". In-fact, if I dissect the word, social comes from Latin(?) socius, meaning "friend/ally", and I do believe we should be more friendly, and allied, to the right, for the right reasons. I don't see that happening with what is going on with "Globalism". Not to say that absolutely - it couldn't, but do you want people making decisions for you? How bout an A.I.? (I might not be against augmentation...)

I'm wishful for a lot of ... structure, base, protection, planning, considering the "rights" of others, and ourselves. I frequently find myself in some kind of fantasy, because I see homeless people a lot, where nobody is homeless, if they don't want to be. My mind is very "socialist" in a sense. I also think that individual health is group health. At the very least, a sick person might be like a hole or jagged edge, and others might trip or fall on/around/because of, themselves becoming obstructions, to themselves, and to others.

Gun rights are a big deal to me. Immigration is, as well, and so are jobs. I do think things need to take an "us"-centered approach, first. But I said here before that I want to breath to work. I have to breath, before I work. The globalists are trading us like sheep/farm animals, slaves, and ... jobs, they are able to move them wherever they make the most money (or people, they can move, because of "liberal" policies).

People are still scared animals. They look for group-uniformity. I can get into my tastes, my real life, human tastes, which don't have to include hate, to know that I don't quite have/feel that same sexual spark, or wholesomeness that I feel for my own "kind", for others. And when you look at voting patterns, even men and women vote differently- So do races, or ethnicities, or religious-affiliation. I desire unity, in action, direction, goal, purpose, with recognition of the wishes/desires of myself, and my people, first. I don't see how it can work any other way. This doesn't mean I hate others, or even seek greater division within - not to say we were ever monolithic / nor was Europe, or the British Isles. Just that we shouldn't be shuffled around, our jobs too - by assholes that don't realize what they're connected to, that probably don't give a fuck about any person individually, they see us as slaves (or just disrespect us, our choices, are ability to decide for ourselves).

What's so wrong with being cosmopolitan?

In a sense I might say I am beloved, family with life, including other people (meaning other identity, ethnicity). Citizen ("citizen of the world") has an etymology, if I remember right, that goes back to a word meaning "family, settle, beloved...". How is this settled? How is it settled to invite Muslims and every face in the book, to move them into Christian cultured (even if they don't believe...) Europe? Is there much affection? Is there not division? I want unity, where possible. I don't want to stir dissent/chaos. Are they not a family - do they not have their beloved? Do they not settle, differently?

I do also believe we can have a unity with others, but I do believe that there needs to be some respect to borders, to "state" that the people exist in. We're being full-throttled in a sense, right now- Where we weren't having wars, we're finding ways to have them. This becomes a war within. I almost see democrats of taking advantage of-- drafting a foreign "army" to fight a war against often times what should have been considered their own people. So have "republicans". Honestly those terms are probably largely worthless, for this. Tribal.

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My beliefs closely align in a way with fascism, with "National Socialism", however I see the need to come to a better, more intelligent balance- At least currently, there is no way we can "win" without cooperation from the rest of the world. I don't mean to tie this to German "National Socialism", I'm looking at the words, at the base of it: National means "family, race", or relates to these things, as does city, in a way, coming from a Proto-Indo-European root *key(?). I'd prefer that all Nations practice a form of National Socialism, and we would have a world-council of fascists/National Socialists, with a desire/goal to live the best life possible, for all people. This should not include shuffling people and jobs around like a slave market. Not to mean race should really be focused on, where diversity it present, either, especially in some natural amount, and my desire would be that "minorities" would be treated better than - the best that they've ever been. But that 95% shouldn't be made a promise to, with a new immigration act, or whatever (1960s...) that it wouldn't change the racial makeup of the country, to now, 60 years later, be at less than 60% of the population, and falling (U.S. "white" population). It just stirs bad things. And it's not as if these people like "us" lots of times, either. Or want the same, exactly.

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But I don't hate them - at all, on the face of it. But that, the "open world" did make this outbreak probably 100s of times worse than it would have been, the expectation of free-travel as it has been. This crisis certain shined a light- Perhaps the Nationalists were right, even if sometimes for the wrong reasons (if anyone is actually deeply, completely motivated by hatred, which I doubt).

I don't mean to say the people of earth shouldn't cooperate. That we shouldn't be able to travel, and visit, and perhaps even migrate, in time, after lots more development especially. But there should be organization, with respect to organization. I don't think we should be in such a hurry, but I think it is something of a race, for some, and we're dragged along, or have to get out of the way sometimes.

I also think that some universal basic income sounds good, but then I wonder about what Jordan Peterson (and some others probably) said, about humans being naturally kind of a beast of burden. That we have to work, to feel valuable, or something. So I do think that that should be considered. But I think homelessness, and people suffering, needlessly, if we can help it, is shameful (but I also see we are limited, and are trying to take care of ourselves, too).

I don't mean to advocate for removal of peoples... But I mean this in more way than one, I guess. And I don't mean to say I don't want to recognize 'other peoples', or to work to become allies, and friends with them.

But for instance (just as an example), one religion, which 1.6 billion people apparently identify with, makes many statements, which says to not treat us as friends, so how-then can I be "cosmopolitan" about that? And, well, we need to protect ourself. I don't want to let them make decisions for us, any more than I want you to make decisions for me. I just think there needs to be some coordination to our common-action, some awareness, some restraint, some consciousness building, before... oh wait the idiots went ahead and did it.

On the simplest level, I still advocate love.

This is an interesting video-clip of Jordan Peterson talking about discrimination. It came to me after the friends unfriended me (for some reason - there might be a few). It was right after I came back on Facebook, because I wanted to retrieve a picture, but then got interested in what one was saying. Somehow I related it to viruses/bacteria/sickness/infection. He also talks about walls- How cities would have walls, a double wall, and each house would have walls. This is an act of simplification...ordering...structuring. Coordination. Orientation.

 
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Arguably both candidates are geriatrics, but... really? You'd want 4 more years of an orangutan slashing and burning the government? Biden can string together a sentence, and also doesn't seem to be abusing Sudafed like Trumpy does. And he does have sexual assault cases, but not as many as DJT (nor are they as heinous). Instead of grabbing 'em by the pussy he just kind of smells the ladies' hair instead. An incremental improvement, in my book.

For the kids: This is what the Down South People were choosing between.
 
Sanders is still my ideal choice. Y'all yankees need a stiff drink of socialism. Why it's considered a bad word in the USA escapes me. Is it related to the "me, me, me" attitude some people down there have? (

Partially, but more than anything else it's probably the same reason as having "in God we trust" and shit.

It's a relic of the cold war. An era where American society wanted to distinguish itself from the soviets.

They were communist, we were capitalist.
They were godless, we were not.

So as humans always do, they took those differences to extremes that defy all reason.
 
Black people in the U.S., at least according to data out there, have an average IQ of 85, and probably more than 90% of them voted for Obama...

Just saying. Also not trying to get into an argument about race and IQ (again), and also not saying that there is not some huge environmental element of IQ that plays at least a big role in the "lower" black IQ. I am gifted to have a couple of African friends on Facebook, and both are intelligent, witty, humorous, in ways definitely more than me - I can see. So I can argue that their "lower" IQ may not be genetic. But again, here, they test at an average of 85, right now (whites about 100), and most of them voted for Obama, I'd bet over 90% to take a guess. Just to keep things clear.

I think a lot of Trump voters, like has been said, are voting for the lesser of evils, to them. Trump is the only one at least nodding to anti-Globalist sentiments, the only one not bending the knee to it... right now. Now, even formerly "right" people, such as the Bushes, even Obama, seem to be against complete replacement mass immigration. I think people are, in a way at least, voting out of fear, because Democrats are just a downward hill, ball rolling, no real plan or direction, forsaking the populace that exists here already, just wanting votes (so bring in as many people from the "outside" as they can). Yes, Trump voters may in a sense be voting against their interests, especially the ones you might often see flying the Trump campaign things, those "low IQ" so people think, non-college educated (how many blacks that voted for Obama didn't graduate high school?), but how did this happen, in the first place, that they can't afford basic healthcare, that their jobs (or prospects) are outsourced--->sent overseas? What has been done, for many years, now, "free trade" and all that.

I really don't have a handle on it, but I get an idea.

Trump is also not threatening to take our "AR-14s" away, like Beto O'Rourke the man that is not very different from a woman-->on the way to be just like the globalists want. Like Biden.

I called Trump an idiot, then immediately lost friends on Facebook, where I said it (it was in response to his slow response to the virus, the saying it was "just the flu, bro", basically to begin) and I wondered if it was for it. Now with the disinfectant comments and bringing light into the body I again feel somewhat validated. But a choice between him and Biden... I hate to say it's probably going to be Trump, for me. Or Vermin Supreme.

But I don't know what's next. Not sleepy Joe, that's at least what. Maybe a better Republican, or Libertarian, or something.

The democrats are going full-socialist/communist. And no border to the U.S.
What about Nigerian scientists? That’s how I respond to that argument. More factors against Africans? I can propose more factors for them.
 
Sanders is still my ideal choice. Y'all yankees need a stiff drink of socialism. Why it's considered a bad word in the USA escapes me. Is it related to the "me, me, me" attitude some people down there have? ("I paid my way through college, bought a house and a car, and started a family while working at a Pizza Hut! You fucking kids don't deserve any handouts! I got mine, why do we need to provide for other people? Stop complaining about tuition and get a second job, or stop eating so much avocado toast. Mwah mwah nyah mwyah nyah mwayh, mwah nyah mwwah. (read: Charlie Brown muted-trumpet adult noises)")

As Jess said, it's a relic of the cold war era. Communism was the enemy's stance, and it threatened our ideas of Democratic capitalism, So the American people were made to feel a deep fear and mistrust of Communism. Then we spent all of our foreign policy efforts up through the present time undermining any and all Communist and Socialist efforts throughout the world. Additionally, back home, there has been a concerted effort to shift all of the wealth from the middle class to the ultra-wealthy. To do so, we co-opted the idea of anything that spends our own tax dollars on things that benefit the people into "Socialism" and somehow performed the necessary mindfuckery to convince the working class that paying for healthcare, education and other basic human necessities with their own tax dollars is a terrible evil. Meanwhile we have undermined our own public education system and gone from first in the world to somewhere down in the 30s or 40s (and sinking). So now we have a generation of ignorant working class voters who are proud of their ignorance, who are seeing their standard of living dipping lower and lower due to the very people they consistently vote for, who scream in gibbering fear at people like Sanders who dare to suggest that instead of giving their hard-earned tax money to billionaires and corporations, we should use it to give them the basic human rights that they are angry about losing.
 
Interesting divergence into Communism-Socialism and how it is 'bad' in American Society. I have some thoughts, but they mostly echo Xork and Jess (not completely, but mostly). Though, the thread is about Trump, is it not?


Picking up that thread, the last comment was how idiotic it was of him to tell people to injest Lysol, or as other put it 'drink bleach'.

Before he was elected, I wondered if he was really inept and lucky, or the evil genius so many proclaimed. I've firmly settled in the 'inept and lucky' camp, or at least that he is a buffoon, and it isn't a charade. The man seems so intent on trying to present himself as being the smartest man in the room (ALWAYS) that his words often show his ignorance. However, I don't condemn him nor actually want him out of office when I look at the alternative. Two things stick in my mind with Trump's tenure. First is ignore the words. He has diarrhea of the mouth, and spews shit constantly. Instead, pay attention to the actions, what does he actually get done, what's the impact, is it good-bad from my perspective, and what forces opposes him - are they more aligned with my view, on firm grounds with their counter, or just continuing the 'Orange man bad' narrative? Secondly, and I get labelled as defending him a lot, I want accuracy. Too many times the MSM misrepresents his words, twisting them to be worse than, or not even close, to what he said. What's the case here?

Here's the full transcript of Trump's comments:

"So I asked Bill [Bryan, the head of the science and technology directorate at the Department of Homeland Security, who discussed some research about how COVID-19 reacted to sunlight.], a question some of you are thinking of if you're into that world, which I find to be pretty interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether its ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said, that hasn't been checked but you're gonna test it. And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting. And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that. So you're going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds interesting to me, so we'll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it goes in one minute, that's pretty powerful."

To me, this screams his ignorance out loud. A little bit of an idea and he asks why we can't blow it up in to a cure-all? I could play the Trump defender here, that he didn't say 'inject Lysol' or 'drink 'bleach', and he DID say you'll 'have to use medical doctors'. And, I understand there is some relevant discussions that could have been had prior with his medical advisors where Vitamin-C in large doses acts as a disinfectant cleaning out germs, and doctors administer 03 as a disinfectant for some patients. But all of this is reaching by me, or anyone trying to defend these words. The basic fact is, he needs to stfu and let his medical team answer such topics and stop showing his ignorance. There ARE people out there dumb enough to follow such suggestions. For his own sake, he needs to stfu in situations like this. Him being in the spotlight with a bad answer is dangerous. Him being in the spotlight with the right answer is nice, but doesn't help anyone, including him = we don't plan to hire him as surgeon general. Part of being a good politician is knowing when to keep your mouth shut. Something he does not get.
 
Yeah I was going to say something similar once I looked into it... he didn't actually say "let's inject Lysol"... he was saying, disinfectant kills it dead, can we do something like that for humans? I'm no Trump supporter by any stretch of the imagination, but I do think that comment of his was used in an unfair and dishonest way.

Diarrhea of the mouth... that was a phrase my fifth grade teacher used... best teacher I ever had. Thanks for inadvertently connecting me to a nice memory, TLB. :)
 
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