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Trump is so stupid to defund the WHO.

He's angry that China is influencing the WHO, so what's his solution? Stop funding them... So china can take up the slack and gain even more power over it.

Do you know how much China funds UN and WHO vs the American funding for the operations? I don't, I'm just asking if you do while making such a statement.

At a minimum, money the US pulls will shrink the WHO's pedestal from which they spout China propaganda. Every dollar pulled from that can go to something that will actually HELP Americans. This pandemic highlights that the WHO is NOT helping the US, nor many others who depend upon it.

If China wants to continue to use the WHO as a puppet, let them foot the bill with the whole world knowing that is the situation.
 
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Trump calls protesters demonstrating against stay-at-home orders 'very responsible'

President tweeted that Minnesota, Michigan and Virginia should be ‘liberated’ after demonstrations against social distancing.

Donald Trump has posted highly incendiary tweets stoking protests against physical distancing and other coronavirus stay-at-home measures in three states led by Democratic governors.

“LIBERATE MINNESOTA!” the US president wrote in capital letters on Friday. “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!”

He followed up with a third tweet: “LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!” – a reference to Virginia’s governor, Ralph Northam, last week signing into law new measures on gun control.

Trump has repeatedly ignored his own entreaty to put partisan politics aside during the coronavirus pandemic. His latest provocative interventions followed demonstrations against stay-at-home orders in Michigan, Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia and other states that have drawn elements of the far right.

Some protesters have carried guns, waved Trump and Confederate flags and sought to frame the debate as a defence of constitutional freedoms. They have been egged on by conservative media hosts such as Fox News’s Jeanine Pirro, who said: “What happened in Lansing Michigan today, God bless them: it’s going to happen all over the country.”

At Friday’s White House coronavirus taskforce briefing, Trump played down fears that by crowding together, the protesters themselves could spread the Covid-19 illness. “These are people expressing their views,” he told reporters. “I see where they are and I see the way they’re working. They seem to be very responsible people to me, but they’ve been treated a little bit rough.”

In 2017 the president was condemned for reacting to a deadly clash between white nationalists and counter-protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia, by observing that there “were very fine people on both sides.”

On Friday, Trump also stood by his criticism of the Democratic governors, even though they are following his own federal guidelines. “I think some things are too tough,” he said. “And if you look at some of the states you just mentioned, it’s too tough, not only in reference to this but what they’ve done in Virginia with respect to the second amendment is just a horrible thing ... When you see what other states have done, I think I feel very comfortable.”

Asked if he believed Michigan, Minnesota and Virginia should lift their stay-at-home orders, the president added: “I think elements of what they’ve done are too much, just too much ... What they’ve done in Virginia is just incredible.”

Trump, known to watch Fox News closely, has offered mixed messages. On Monday he claimed “total” authority to order an end to the stay-at-home measures, but on Thursday issued phased “guidelines” that passed the buck to governors to make decisions on the ground about when and how to reopen. His tweets on Friday appeared to undercut his own experts’ warnings and drew sharp criticism.

Jay Inslee, the Democratic governor of Washington, tweeted in response: “The president’s statements this morning encourage illegal and dangerous acts. He is putting millions of people in danger of contracting Covid-19. His unhinged rantings and calls for people to ‘liberate’ states could also lead to violence.”

Beto O’Rourke, a former Texas congressman who like Inslee ran for the Democratic nomination, said: “Republicans will turn a blind eye, and too many in the press will focus on ‘tone’. But history books will say: in April of 2020, when the pandemic had already claimed 35,000 lives, the president of the United States incited people to storm their statehouses with AR-15s and AK-47s.”

Michigan has taken big hits in both coronavirus cases and job losses and will be a critical battleground state in the presidential election. Wednesday’s “Operation Gridlock”, a demonstration against strict stay-at-home policies ordered by Michigan’s governor, Gretchen Whitmer, attracted the Proud Boys and other far-right groups who have been present at pro-Trump and gun rights rallies in Michigan.

Most protesters stayed in their vehicles and circled the state capitol building in Lansing, but a small group stood on the capitol steps to flout physical distancing guidelines. They brandished signs that included “Recall Whitmer, Heil Whitmer, Stop the Tyranny, and Lock her up!”

Whitmer, who dismissed the stunt as “essentially a political rally,”, has emerged as a possible a running mate for the presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden. Ronna McDaniel, the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, said at an online “Women for Trump” event Whitmer had “turned this crisis into a platform to run for vice-president.”

The protests have earned comparisons with the Tea Party movement of a decade ago and more are expected in coming days, with the tension between public health and economic reopening viewed through an increasingly partisan lens.

The Washington Post reported: “Uncertainty and fear over the economic impact of stay-at-home orders is fueling a sort of culture war between conservatives, whose political strength now comes from rural America, right now less affected by the virus, and liberals, whose urban strongholds have been most affected by it.”

Last Saturday, Republican senator Ted Cruz tweeted that he was going to the beach with his children. “Fortunately, I live in Texas – where we protect public safety, but aren’t authoritarian zealots – so they won’t arrest me!” he wrote.

According to Pew Research, 81% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents say their greater concern is that governments will lift these restrictions too quickly. About half (51 percent) of Republicans and Republican leaners say their bigger concern is that state governments will act too quickly.

 
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Do you know how much China funds UN and WHO vs the American funding for the operations? I don't, I'm just asking if you do while making such a statement.

At a minimum, money the US pulls will shrink the WHO's pedestal from which they spout China propaganda. Every dollar pulled from that can go to something that will actually HELP Americans. This pandemic highlights that the WHO is NOT helping the US, nor many others who depend upon it.

If China wants to continue to use the WHO as a puppet, let them foot the bill with the whole world knowing that is the situation.

I guess it depends on what you think the priorities should be.

But I think it should be a priority for America to continue being a world leader. That there are immeasurable benefits from doing so.

And by becoming more insulated and allowing China to take over instead, it compromises broader national security.

My concern is I don't think it will shrink the WHOs pedestal. It will enable China to take America's place and gain even more influence.

And China having more influence in the world over America is not something I consider in America's interests, or indeed the broader western world.
 
Yeah, I'm not a fan given the entire WHO-Taiwan dynamic that's been at play the last three months.
A fucking travesty, that.
I remember watching the news when the WHO was patting China on the back about how well they handled everything. I saw through that shit straight away as only a fool takes an authoritarian regime's word. I'm a fool for different reasons :).
All the while, Taiwan is trying to tell us about how they have proof of human-to-human transmission well before the Chinese ever fessed up to what they knew to be true.

Authoritarian regimes always, always, always, lie to keep face. Always. This is an inescapable fact of life. Like death. And sunsets.
The WHO played lapdog to China to the highest degree of sycophantic ability.

I'm with the crazy orange bastard on this one. Demand the relationship between the WHO and China be brought to light and withhold funding until such a time as it is.
 
Get rid of em, they didnt protect the world thats what they get the money for

Also tedros, leader of the WHO, was the 3rd most powerful person in the TPLF, a Communist Revolutionary Party in Ethiopia that was listed as a terrorist organization in the 90s

He was also the first WHO director without a medical degree, on his online biography, the WHO lays out his qualifications as Ethiopian Minister of Health from 2002 to 2012, impressive stuff.
 
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That's a very fair point, @JessFR, in regards to exerting influence globally.

The problem as I see it as a non-American (and neighbour happily on this side of the fence) is that the US has lost the vast majority of its eminence as a guide for anything, really.
I'm sure as hell not looking for my governments to take any guidance from our neighbours.
 
...and speaking of which, can we get rid of the permanent members of the UN Security Council whilst we're at it?

Talk about fuckery.
 
And by becoming more insulated and allowing China to take over instead, it compromises broader national security.

My concern is I don't think it will shrink the WHOs pedestal. It will enable China to take America's place and gain even more influence.

Neither of us know what comes, but speculating from what I know and feel today, the US stepping back from WHO does not create a void China can/wants_to/should step in to fill. WHO is but one point on the global stage. One that has shown it's China colors publicly and done great harm and disservice to those who depend upon it. Really, does anyone gain from trying to prop up a broken puppet? I believe there still should be a means of global awareness and coordination for a pandemic, as this episode shows. But the WHO has proven unfit for the job.

As to stepping in to fill those shoes, China likely sees an investment in WHO as a losing proposition. And, to your point of priorities, China gains nothing from a discredited WHO. Their focus is on supply chains, controlling the flow of goods. Ideally produced from China, but even raw materials or finished goods to-from other places is their goal. Control the supply chains, you control the world. This arena, as being discussed in the China thread, is where US and China will be squaring off. Small, initial fits of it with the trade tariffs recently, with a sprinkling of 'bring the jobs back home' to keep joe lunchbox supportive and employed. But the real goal is to develop a world network of truly allied countries willing to produce and trade goods fairly in a way that helps all involved. That is not China's intent.
 
Yeah, I mean did anyone ever think the WHO has to kiss China's ass because that's the only way they'd ever get ANY info from them? If you are the WORLD HEALTH Organization, you need info from China at all costs.
 
Neither of us know what comes, but speculating from what I know and feel today, the US stepping back from WHO does not create a void China can/wants_to/should step in to fill. WHO is but one point on the global stage. One that has shown it's China colors publicly and done great harm and disservice to those who depend upon it. Really, does anyone gain from trying to prop up a broken puppet? I believe there still should be a means of global awareness and coordination for a pandemic, as this episode shows. But the WHO has proven unfit for the job.

As to stepping in to fill those shoes, China likely sees an investment in WHO as a losing proposition. And, to your point of priorities, China gains nothing from a discredited WHO. Their focus is on supply chains, controlling the flow of goods. Ideally produced from China, but even raw materials or finished goods to-from other places is their goal. Control the supply chains, you control the world. This arena, as being discussed in the China thread, is where US and China will be squaring off. Small, initial fits of it with the trade tariffs recently, with a sprinkling of 'bring the jobs back home' to keep joe lunchbox supportive and employed. But the real goal is to develop a world network of truly allied countries willing to produce and trade goods fairly in a way that helps all involved. That is not China's intent.

I disagree. The solution is to fix the WHO not let China corrupt it further.

In this highly interconnected world, America can't afford to just be insulated and go it alone.

What I think China will likely do is use their wealth to position themselves to provide aid and support to the rest of the world, and in turn become a global leader instead of America.

And that will not be a good thing for America's interests, or western interests.

The WHO funding issue is just one small part of the broader trend. That being this administration abdicating America's position as a world leader, and all the benefits that brings such as political support, and strengthening the position of western countries as a whole.

And basically letting China take that power for itself. So they can then use it to advance their own interests.
 
Yeah, I mean did anyone ever think the WHO has to kiss China's ass because that's the only way they'd ever get ANY info from them? If you are the WORLD HEALTH Organization, you need info from China at all costs.

Sure, but information that is misleading (no human-to-human transmission; falsified case numbers which help in illustrating the virulence of the virus, etc) isn't exactly helpful....quite the opposite, in fact.
 
Trump is so stupid to defund the WHO.

He's angry that China is influencing the WHO, so what's his solution? Stop funding them... So china can take up the slack and gain even more power over it.

America could have been a world leader in this health crisis. :(
Instead trump has repeatedly made it easier for China to gain more power, and on my the grounds of "making America great" at that..
My friend from Ethiopia put up a post on facebook about the WHO director. He is universally hated by alot of people in Ethiopia for allowing and committing genocide with the illegitimate government who took over armed control and have been commiting ethnic cleansing on many Ethiopians if they don't come from the same clan/tribe as him. The WHO are terrible and the director is a genocidal monster who somehow got put in charge not to mention completely 100% a Chinese corrupted agent the WHO is not helping Taiwan at all at china orders. At this rate the WHO has failed and every country should withdraw funding for allowing such corruption in it, This is a good thing america has done. The UN and its agencies are hypocrites the fact they let other genocidal maniacs among its ranks like Burma and have done nothing to keep the Ethipoias been ethnic cleansed in their own country. Every time i read a new post about the situation my heart breaks for Ethiopians my friend tries to spread the message so hard and the photos and things he posts asking the world to notice and help. Yet the UN then goes on to put this guy who is responsible for mass killings in charge of WHO and he isn't even doctor. I have no idea what sort of crack they smoking at the UN but the UN has proven to be useless in actually helping the world.
 
Sure, but information that is misleading (no human-to-human transmission; falsified case numbers which help in illustrating the virulence of the virus, etc) isn't exactly helpful....quite the opposite, in fact.

yeah I'm just saying, China doesn't tell the truth to anybody. If you are the WHO you have to take what you can get. As Jess said, taking their money away isn't going to fix that. The US only compels them to the extent we do because of our military and technology. They don't have that .

I think the real question is, how are we going to get better results without them than we did with them.

when the next health emergency happens, what effect will their decreased funding have on us?
 
Well, how much better off would the world have been if we had listened to Taiwan--who are not a member of the WHO because the majority of the planet likes to act like China's little quisling--as opposed to having had listend to China via the WHO?

I'm not sure anyone availed themselves of any favourable outcome by relying on the WHO and what they were fed by China.

I don't know if taking away funding for a very specific UN organisation will change anything. I do, however, think that there needs to be serious transparency and reform within the UN.

I should add that I would describe myself as an internationalist. I don't think anyone wins if the world doesn't work together. The problem is when certain multilateral organisations are hijacked by regimes with motives less than honest and beneficial.
 
I think the real question is, how are we going to get better results without them than we did with them.

when the next health emergency happens, what effect will their decreased funding have on us?

This is a very good question to be asking.

And not just the effect on us, but those smaller countries who depended upon our funding WHO to get them info....which they did not get this time around. What about them as well?
 
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Trump’s internal polling has shown his approval rating sliding in some swing states.


Home alone at the White House: A sour president stays glued to the TV

by Katie Rogers and Annie Karni | New York Times | 23 April 2020

WASHINGTON — President Trump arrives in the Oval Office these days as late as noon, when he is usually in a sour mood after his morning marathon of television.

He has been up in the White House master bedroom as early as 5 a.m. watching Fox News, then CNN, with a dollop of MSNBC thrown in for rage viewing. He makes calls with the TV on in the background, his routine since he first arrived at the White House.

But now there are differences.

The president sees few allies no matter which channel he clicks. He is angry even with Fox, his old security blanket, for not portraying him as he would like to be seen. And he makes time to watch Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s briefings from New York, closely monitoring for a sporadic compliment or snipe.

Confined to the White House, the president is isolated from the supporters, visitors, travel and golf that once entertained him, according to more than a dozen administration officials and close advisers who spoke about Mr. Trump’s strange new life. He is tested weekly, as is Vice President Mike Pence, for Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

The economy — Mr. Trump’s main case for re-election — has imploded. News coverage of his handling of the coronavirus has been overwhelmingly negative as Democrats have condemned him for a lack of empathy, honesty and competence in the face of a pandemic. Even Republicans have criticized Mr. Trump’s briefings as long-winded and his rough handling of critics as unproductive.

His own internal polling shows him sliding in some swing states, a major reason he declared a temporary halt to the issuance of green cards to those outside the United States. The executive order — watered down with loopholes after an uproar from business groups — was aimed at pleasing his political base, people close to him said, and was the kind of move Mr. Trump makes when things feel out of control. Friends who have spoken to him said he seemed unsettled and worried about losing the election.

But the president’s primary focus, advisers said, is assessing how his performance on the virus is measured in the news media, and the extent to which history will blame him.

“He’s frustrated,” said Stephen Moore, an outside economic adviser to Mr. Trump who was the president’s pick to sit on the Federal Reserve Board before his history of sexist comments and lack of child support payments surfaced. “It’s like being hit with a meteor.”

Mr. Trump frequently vents about how he is portrayed. He was enraged by an article this month in which his health secretary, Alex M. Azar II, was said to have warned Mr. Trump in January about the possibility of a pandemic. Mr. Trump was upset that he was being blamed while Mr. Azar was portrayed in a more favorable light, aides said. The president told friends that he assumed Mr. Azar was working the news media to try to save his own reputation at the expense of Mr. Trump’s.

Hogan Gidley, a White House spokesman, disputed that the president’s focus was on his news coverage, but said in a statement that “President Trump’s highest priority is the health and safety of the American people.”

Aides said the president’s low point was in mid-March, when Mr. Trump, who had dismissed the virus as “one person coming in from China” and no worse than the flu, saw deaths and infections from Covid-19 rising daily. Mike Lindell, a Trump donor campaign surrogate and the chief executive of MyPillow, visited the White House later that month and said the president seemed so glum that Mr. Lindell pulled out his phone to show him a text message from a Democratic-voting friend of his who thought Mr. Trump was doing a good job.

Mr. Lindell said Mr. Trump perked up after hearing the praise. “I just wanted to give him a little confidence,” Mr. Lindell said.

The daily briefings

The daily White House coronavirus task force briefing is the one portion of the day that Mr. Trump looks forward to, although even Republicans say that the two hours of political attacks, grievances and falsehoods by the president are hurting him politically.

Mr. Trump will hear none of it. Aides say he views them as prime-time shows that are the best substitute for the rallies he can no longer attend but craves.

Mr. Trump rarely attends the task force meetings that precede the briefings, and he typically does not prepare before he steps in front of the cameras. He is often seeing the final version of the day’s main talking points that aides have prepared for him for the first time although aides said he makes tweaks with a Sharpie just before he reads them live. He hastily plows through them, usually in a monotone, in order to get to the question-and-answer bullying session with reporters that he relishes.

The briefing’s critics, including Mr. Cuomo, have pointed out the obvious: With two hours of the president’s day dedicated to hosting what is still referred to as a prime-time news briefing, who is going to actually fix the pandemic?

Even Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the experts appointed to advise the president on the best way to handle the outbreak, has complained that the amount of time he must spend onstage in the briefings each day has a “draining” effect on him.

They have the opposite effect on the president. How he arrived at them was almost an accident.

Mr. Trump became enraged watching the coverage of his 10-minute Oval Office address in March that was rife with inaccuracies and had little in terms of action for him to announce. He complained to aides that there were few people on television willing to defend him.

The solution, aides said, came two days later, when Mr. Trump appeared in the Rose Garden to declare a national emergency and answer questions from reporters. As he admonished journalists for asking “nasty” questions, Mr. Trump found the back-and-forth he had been missing. The virus had not been a perfect enemy — it was impervious to his browbeating — but baiting and attacking reporters energized him.

“I don’t take responsibility at all,” Mr. Trump told White House correspondents in answer to one question.

His first news conference in the briefing room took place the next day, on a Saturday, after Mr. Trump arrived unannounced in the Situation Room, wearing a polo shirt and baseball cap, and told the group he planned to attend the briefing and watch from a chair on the side. When aides told him that reporters would simply yell questions at him, even if he was not on the small stage, he agreed to take the podium. He has not looked back since.

When Mr. Trump finishes up 90 or more minutes later, he heads back to the Oval Office to watch the end of the briefings on TV and compare notes with whoever is around from his inner circle.

The new pecking order

That circle has shrunk significantly as the president, who advisers say is more sensitive to criticism than at nearly any other point in his presidency, has come to rely on only a handful of longtime aides.

Hope Hicks, a former communications director who rejoined the White House this year as counselor to the president, maintains his daily schedule. His former personal assistant, Johnny McEntee, now runs presidential personnel.

Ms. Hicks and Mr. McEntee, along with Dan Scavino, the president’s social media guru who was promoted this week to deputy chief of staff for communications, provide Mr. Trump with a link to the better old days. The three are the ones outside advisers get in touch with to find out if it’s a good time to reach the president or pass on a message.

Mark Meadows, Mr. Trump’s new chief of staff, is still finding his footing and adjusting to the nocturnal habits of Mr. Trump, who recently placed a call to Mr. Meadows, a senior administration official said, at 3:19 a.m. Mr. Meadows works closely with another trusted insider: Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law and de facto chief of staff.

“They have been really confined and figuratively imprisoned,” Matthew Dallek, a political historian at George Washington University, said about presidents who have kept close to the White House in times of crisis.

While many officials have been encouraged to work remotely and the Old Executive Office Building is empty, the West Wing’s tight quarters are still packed. Mr. Pence and his top aides, usually stationed across the street, are working exclusively from the White House, along with most of the senior aides, who dine from the takeout mess while the in-house dining room remains closed. Few aides wear masks except for Matthew Pottinger, the deputy national security adviser, and some of his staff.

The day ends as it began

As soon as he gets to the Oval Office, the president often receives his daily intelligence briefing, and Mr. Pence sometimes joins him. Then there are meetings with his national security team or economic advisers.

Throughout the day, Mr. Trump calls governors, will have lunch with cabinet secretaries and pores over newspapers, which he treats like official briefing books and reads primarily in paper clippings that aides bring to him. He calls aides about stories he sees, either to order them to get a world leader on the phone or to ask questions about something he has read.

Many friends said they were less likely to call Mr. Trump’s cellphone, assuming he does not want to hear their advice. Those who do reach him said phone calls have grown more clipped: Conversations that used to last 20 minutes now wrap up in three.

Mr. Trump will still take calls from Brad Parscale, his campaign manager, on the latest on polling data. The president will in turn call Mr. Meadows and Kellyanne Conway about key congressional races.

The president’s aides have slowly lined up more opportunities to keep him engaged. Last week, a small group of coronavirus survivors were led into the White House, and Mr. Trump took one of them to see the White House physician. Then Mr. Trump hosted a celebration of America’s truckers on the South Lawn.

After he is done watching the end of the daily White House briefing — which is held seven days a week and sometimes goes as late as 8 p.m. — Mr. Trump watches television in his private dining room off the Oval Office. Assorted aides who are still around will join him to rehash the day and offer their assessments on the briefings. Comfort food — including French fries and Diet Coke — is readily available.

Lately, aides say, his mood has started to brighten as his administration moves to open the economy. His new line, both in public and in private, is that there is reason to be optimistic.

“And at the end of that tunnel, we see light,” Mr. Trump said in the Rose Garden last week.

If he is not staying late in the West Wing, Mr. Trump occasionally has dinner with his wife, Melania Trump, and their son, Barron, who recently celebrated his 14th birthday at home.

By the end of the day, Mr. Trump turns back to his constant companion, television. Upstairs in the White House private quarters — often in his own bedroom or in a nearby den — he flicks from channel to channel, reviewing his performance.

 
God I hope he loses. He certainly deserves too.

He deserves to be in jail. Alas presidents always seem to get away with this shit.
 
As bad as he is, there isn't a viable alternative.

Once again American voters (some dead, some illegal) will be pressed to choose what they perceive as the lesser of two evils.
 
As bad as he is, there isn't a viable alternative.

Once again American voters (some dead, some illegal) will be pressed to choose what they perceive as the lesser of two evils.

Define "viable" alternative.

Is Biden a terrible choice for president? Yep
But I'd take him any day over trump. For a while now I've been practically begging some of my other family members to vote for him.

He's a terrible choice there's no getting around that, but I'd hardly call the trump presidency "more viable".

He's not going to lose. Not a chance.

I think left leaning people believing trump is definitely going to win, is itself one of the biggest dangers of him winning.

Trump IS beatable. But if enough people on the left don't vote, or throw their vote away, that'll help a lot in ensuring he wins again.
 
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