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Told my friend to not take too much at once of this cali sheet. get a message saying he took two and its the strongest trip he has felt and its only 30 min in. Lives to far away on this lockdown i hope he manages to make it to the other side okay even with my experience i would really rethink taking two.
 
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Well considering 5-Br-DMT comes from sea urchins or whatever, I’d be chomping at the bit to try it.

-GC
 
Wow, that was wild... so, ever since 2 summers ago, when I took a shit ton of LSD and AMT at a festival and then had a sort of existential dread panic attack, I have from time to time felt that feeling again, always out of absolutely nowhere, always when I'm having a good time. It's like a night terror while awake, sort of a feeling of approaching something infinitely massive, and my thoughts/essence encompasses it, all at once, and I feels like the bottom falls out and I'm falling into it infinitely fast. It just happened again. I dosed 1,4-butanediol a few times tonight, and a little 3-MeO-PCE, and I was feeling great, laying on the couch reading my book. And I felt the first whisper of it, and denied it, which is always how it goes. And I inexorably fell into it. It became overwhelming and I had to get up and dose some etizolam, which brought me out of it within 10 minutes or so.

It's happened like 5 or 6 times since the first time. The last time it happened I was stone cold sober and I pulled myself out of it without taking etizolam but every other time I have taken etizolam to interrupt it because it's so intense it makes me feel like I'm going to fall into some existential hole. It's a really disturbing feeling. And I was feeling great and euphoric, before it suddenly turned out of nowhere. And now I feel fine again. I wish I knew what the fuck that is and why it happens. This was the most intense it's happened since the first time, which was the worst by far.

Whew...
 
I get that happening to me every now and then aswell its been present for all my psychedelic journey i believe to seems to arise once you have seen that deep infinite realms of reality. I also believe it represents some unresolved part of our psyche deep in the unconscious I have tried to integrate or understand it i also feel like its the moments before ego dissolution warning signs that become present during stages of the trip then it happens.

Though it scares the living daylights out of me when it does happen on LSD i usually tell my mind to shut up on repeat and repeat a few holy quotes from spiritual teachers to ground myself.
 
The thing is, every time it's happened since, I have not been on psychedelics. Maybe if I go with it instead of fearing and trying to escape it, it will lead me somewhere, but I'm not sure, it feels different from ego death. Next time it happens and I'm not on something else, I'll try to follow it. Weirdly, 3 of the times it's happened, it was while I was on buprenorphine, during my opiate relapse period.
 
After my first ever trip where i took 3 hits. I didn't touch LSD for a year but i still had that feeling of the world collapsing into a infinite void starting a few months after. Back then it really messed with me bad and i spent most my days inside sleeping wondering what was real or not.

I have let it embrace me fully on a acid trip it seemed to be processing alot of negative anxiety thought despair and universal suffering for hours listening to some ambient sounds just letting it run its course then i felt refreshed afterwards and had more insight into how anxiety forms in the human mind and the universal suffering that all life goes through on its journey. It just sucks since psychedelics are illegal its hard to contact one of those 60's psychologists who worked with because they would know how to process and integrate and what was going on.
 
Re; Cosmic C's question


I did read Hamilton Morris's write up on the brominated entity. It was an interesting read for sure, it went on about how serotonin related molecules are common signaling molecules in the ocean, and how the bromine group is more in line with the chemistry of the sea, vs the hydroxyl / methoxy etc... groups you might find in land animals fungi and flora.

Anyways, as far as my thoughts on ingesting the new stuff, I'd jump at the opportunity to collect some samples, but as with any "newly" available chems, I'd probz approach the with a little extra caution, but such an approach is the same one we use for any and all NPS anyways. You can bet your bottom dollar I'd be putting my baby toe in before gettin crazy.

It's time to pave the path, the way I look at it is, when I'm dead and gone (or any of us for that matter), which may be this year, or maybe in 50 years, people will google search shit and some of our posts will appear in said google search. They'll read our experiences and navigate accordingly. It's like the next best thing to immortality, leave stories, art and memories for later generations to glean some understandings of their own from. I mean, Alexander Shulgin is with us EVERY SINGLE time we trip. The man is basically more alive than ever via his frequent influence on our spiritual and personal journeys. And he dead (physically) quite some time ago. But not really at the same time. The man is one of my best friends and I've never met him!

I went off on yet another tangent... for this, I offer no apology :D

How was your trip yesterday BTW Cosmic C? I hope it was beautiful :)
 
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Also, those panicked sensations are something I used to get when dosing hard and high. It feels emotionally similar to spinning out at high speeds on an icy road in a vehicle, you're moving so fast and have no control, and wherever you're headed is where you're gonna end up. It is a bit of a mindfuck.

It's only been a few days since my last "heavy" experience, and it was similar in that, I was along for the ride, I felt this larger meaning that made me see somehow far past the physical sensations of what we normally perceive, and I reflected on all of my friends and family who are no longer with us here in this material plane, but this feeling of, as you've both mentioned Xorkoth and Trip Sitter NZ, the sensation of approaching something infinitely massive. It made me realize that anxieties are founded in the mind. The nightmare isn't in the dream, it lives in the dreamer. It completely changed how I feel when I get anxious, and it's almost like now, I get anxious still yes, I'm human still, but I remind myself that I'm creating the anxiety, and I have the tools to navigate the mind, and my emotions, and my reactions nomatter what point of perception I find myself in. It's like somebody installed an analytical tool in my mind's hard drive, and I can open that tool any time a situation takes me out of the present.

The thing that is MOST difficult to overcome is an overriding sympathetic response to stress, like things you can't ignore. IE, Hammering heart, tension and general side effects of over stimulation of the sympathetic nervous system. That is always difficult. The balance between parasympathetic tone and sympathetic tone is what drives many of our emotional states and physiological states. It's good to exercise some conscious effort into willful activation of the parasympathetic nervous system, it definitely takes quite a bit of work. Physiologically, one major reason sympathetic reactions tend to go on a runaway, is because the adrenal medullae release adrenergic neurotransmitters systemically, so these molecules circulate in the body and elicit a global effect on the body until they are metabolized.


The other major reason is because of the anatomy of the sympathetic thorocolumbar system. The sympathetic trunk ganglia are located bilaterally to the spine, and synapses from the sympathetic preganglionic neurons synapse with up to 20 of the other sympathetic postganglionic neurons, via the sympathetic trunk ganglia, which connects the sympathetic system from T1 to L2. This produces an almost immediate systemic response, reaching far beyond the initial preganglionic neuron's point of origin. It's an evolutionary survival mechanism. Knowing this, it's very easy to see why anxiety causes a sort of "cascading" forward feedback loop, where more of "A", causes more of "B", which causes more of "A" and so on. Stress is a vicious cycle and once you're stuck in a loop, it takes quite a bit of time to bring the runaway down without chemical assistance like a benzo or some Etiz.



Anxieties live in the past, and the future. Being in the moment is freedom, the dream is in the dreamer, just like the nightmare is in the dreamer. It's a universe inside of you, in each of us, and I feel like this is part of the beauty of life. The inexplicable meaningless, meaningfulness, duality, and mystery of it all. The weight of it can crush or elate one, depending on where they are seeing it from.
 
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I agree that normal anxiety is rooted in the past and future, and being in the present moment is what helps. The weird thing about the thing I have been exepriencing is that it's 100% rooted in the present... it's not the result of worrying, or thinking about something. In fact, thinking about the past or future helps me to get past it. I will be happily going about my day or night, no anxiety at all, and then suddenly I'm having some sort of sort of night-terror like experience, just completely from nowhere. There is no logical reason, and focusing on the moment is exactly what makes it worse. It's very strange.
 
That is definitely something worth exploring if it's happening on and off. It does sound quite burdensome, but if you jump on it like Steve Irwin on an alligator and wrastle that mofo into submission, you'll have a pet alligator :D

 
Very much agreed

Btw, @Working_Class, I'd like to get back on the saunas. You've really done this before every trip? Sounds really nice, damn, I'm so jealous, I can't believe I've never actually been to a sauna, well I've been in one, but it has never been with the intention of actually taking a sauna. And is this like a regular sauna, or like some full Turkish bathhouse experience? Where afterwards, they cut the sweat of their hairy arms with large Soviet flag style knives. Man that'd be so sick.
 


About to watch this movie Loving Vincent, amazing artist without question Vincent van Gogh.
Starry Night is one of my favorite paintings, spellbound.

Tripping on 3-HO-PCE so I'm sure it will be beautiful ❤
 
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Very much agreed

Btw, @Working_Class, I'd like to get back on the saunas. You've really done this before every trip? Sounds really nice, damn, I'm so jealous, I can't believe I've never actually been to a sauna, well I've been in one, but it has never been with the intention of actually taking a sauna. And is this like a regular sauna, or like some full Turkish bathhouse experience? Where afterwards, they cut the sweat of their hairy arms with large Soviet flag style knives. Man that'd be so sick.
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Well, In Calgary my parents had a sauna in the downstairs bathroom, so having my bedroom in the basement I was lucky enough to be able to use that every time I'd take a shower. It came in very handy coughing up all the steel smoke and drywall dust from framing and boadring walls without a mask for my whole.. well most of my 20's. It was always a steam room, or there was one Russian banya you could rent with friends, but you had to get the whole place for 3 hours and it was 150 bucks. Very nice experience, with enough people worth it every time what with the retired military surgeon Igor, who ran the place. He'd always welcome us happily and shoot the shit, showed us the Venk leaves and Kvass and all this traditional stuff, I'd bring vodka and get him to take a shot at some point with the group. You could order Vietnamese food from next door or bring your own food, there was leather couches and a bit TV with internet hooked up. It was a rare type of Scandinavian bath house out in Alberta.

Sometimes I'd sneak a few friends in to the one at my parents place while we were tripping on acid, cram into the bathroom and smoke a joint at some late hour, Hawaiian hotbox haha. That was always a worthwhile walk to Thorncliffe from Beddington and back, being sneaky while one of my buddies was on house arrest for almost the better part of a year and a half lolol. It was more like a year and a half of doing drugs at his house cause we knew he was always home and his mom was like, all of our mom's somehow. There's a whole Gnome stealing story related to that friend / house I'll get into another time. The police found our gnome stash, the spoils from one year of late night acid and E fueled scavenging after one house party gone wrong haha.. Anyways...

When I moved to Vancouver though, it seems like the dry hot wood saunas are much more common here. Community pools have them pretty steady, so I'd just go to my favorite one in New West while I was there for the gym. The gym there is extra cool because they allow chalk and Olympic lifting, and they have a sled run with some turf and a really big stretching area, so that would always be my "go to" for cardio, rehab, strength training and their sauna was a pretty steady 85C, all that for 6$, so I was there about 2x a week. It was literally like a 6$ spa almost, you feel like a million bucks after eating, rehab training / warm up, strength training, and finishing with cardio and a couple of 10 - 12 min sauna rounds with contrast cold shower afterwards. The hot / cold is good for a lot of things, but especially recovery and helping push the body into temperature extremes allows it to adapt to rapidly changing conditions more readily. If it wasn't too busy, spending about 2:30 in the cold shower until your skin starts to go pale from lack of blood flow was the best. Then right back into the sauna until you can't handle it anymore, and back into the cold shower etc. That was something I was doing pretty frequently anyways because it feels good, so definitely before an acid trip, or during a 25 mcg day was lovely also. Man I miss that place right now.

Aside from that they have this place called the Art Of Sauna in Burnaby. I'll just attach a link seeing as it'd be a lengthy explanation, and a picture is worth a thousand words. It's about 42 bucks for 2 hours, but also quite worth it. Very clean and relaxing, that one I usually try to get the Ms. to come with so it feels a little less self indulgent, or on occasion I'd get everyone who was participating in one of our regular "psychedelic dinner parties" to come hit the sauna and then we'd go to superstore and do our community cookoff at someone's place. The pre sauna really sets the tone for the whole night, all of your anxieties just sweat away and you're free to relax for the rest of the day. I understand why saunas are such a big thing with other cultures, like the first nations sweat lodges, and Russian banyas, Turkish Hamamms etc. It's a cleansing thing.

This is the super swank one in Burnaby

Saunas – Art of Sauna

artofsauna.ca artofsauna.ca




And I was almost thinking of suggesting this place for a Bluelight Canada (BC region) meetup for anyone who can afford it or who is interested... One of these days

www.sparklinghill.com

Sparkling Hill Resort & Spa

Renowned Luxury British Columbia Spa Resort & Wellness Destination overlooking the Okanagan Lake in beautiful Vernon, B.C. Book your wellness retreat today!
www.sparklinghill.com www.sparklinghill.com

Maybe even with a camping component for peeps who cant afford the resort. (Not like I have lots of money, but fuck it, you don't take debt to the grave!).
This Bluelight meetup thing is happening at some point. Even if I'm the only one who shows up! :p It's Kelowna, bring you mountain bike or climbing shoes and shred, then go relax, maybe trip a little. Camp for a few days. Sounds like a fun time hey?
 
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