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So being a person who is still working.. and coming home to locked down family members I see a huge perception gap. I would love to sit this one out, but my line of work takes me 100s of miles a day and puts me in contact with hundreds of people a day. My lockdown family members are in isolation and freak the fuck out to c19 coverage all day and are driving each other nuts. They are losing it way worse than I am. Stop of mine, grocery had 28 sick employees with at least one colnfirmed positive test. Manager got fired for talking about it on social media.
 
So being a person who is still working.. and coming home to locked down family members I see a huge perception gap. I would love to sit this one out, but my line of work takes me 100s of miles a day and puts me in contact with hundreds of people a day. My lockdown family members are in isolation and freak the fuck out to c19 coverage all day and are driving each other nuts. They are losing it way worse than I am. Stop of mine, grocery had 28 sick employees with at least one colnfirmed positive test. Manager got fired for talking about it on social media.

Constantly being exposed to the news coverage day in/day out is definitely not good for mental health.

I keep up with the news online but if my TV is on, its YouTube or Switch.

the 24 hour news networks make my stomach churn.
 
Constantly being exposed to the news coverage day in/day out is definitely not good for mental health.

I keep up with the news online but if my TV is on, its YouTube or Switch.

the 24 hour news networks make my stomach churn.
Yeah I check the news every few days because of all this covid shit but constantly being exposed to media is awful for mental health
 
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Protesters join in ‘Operation Gridlock’ in Lansing, Michigan, on Wednesday.


Protests against US stay-at-home orders gain support from rightwing figures

by Adam Gabbatt | The Guardian | 16 April 2020

Demonstrations against coronavirus measures spread across US as Fox News and others champion conservative effort.

Protests against stay-at-home coronavirus rules have gained support from rightwing politicians and media groups in recent days, setting up a battle between scientists and public health leaders who say restrictions are necessary and some Republicans demanding the measures be lifted.

The Michigan Conservative Committee organized a rally, dubbed “Operation Gridlock”, outside Michigan’s state capitol on Wednesday, demanding that the governor, Gretchen Whitmer, lift restrictions designed to limit the spread of coronavirus. Thousands of people drove to Lansing, waving Donald Trump 2020 campaign signs chanting “lock her up,” and flouting social distancing restrictions.

Demonstrations against coronavirus measures are spreading across the US, with people holding rallies in North Carolina, Utah, Kentucky and Ohio in recent days. A protest is planned in Virginia on Thursday, while a Texas rally, pushed by a host on the rightwing conspiracy theory website Infowars, is set to target the state capitol in Austin on Saturday.

Despite health officials stressing the importance of stay-at-home measures, prominent figures on the right, including Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and rightwing website the Gateway Pundit have begun to champion the conservative effort.

Laura Ingraham, host of the Ingraham Angle on Fox News, was among those to praise the Michigan protest. She told her 3 million Twitter followers it was “time to get your freedom back” as she posted a video of protesters en route to Lansing.

“Soon Marylanders, Virginians, etc will stand for their right to work, travel, assemble, socialize and worship? Massive long-lasting damage is piling up day after day as many ‘experts’ continue to get the virus analysis wrong,” Ingraham said.

Limbaugh also cheered the protesters, while the Fox News host Jeanine Pirro said health officials “overblew what was going to happen in terms of the number of people who were going to die.”

“What happened in Lansing today? God bless them, it’s going to happen all over the country,”
Pirro said.

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Protesters take part in ‘Operation Gridlock’ in front of the state capitol in Lansing, Michigan, on Wednesday.

Michigan has the third-highest death toll from coronavirus in the US, with almost 2,000 killed. Whitmer introduced an updated stay-at-home order last week, which imposed stricter restrictions on non-essential travel and the products sold in grocery stores.

“We know that this demonstration is going to come at a cost to people’s health,” Whitmer said on Wednesday.

“We know that when people gather that way without masks … that’s how Covid-19 spreads. And so the sad irony here is that the protest was that they don’t like being in this stay-at-home order, and they may have just created a need to lengthen it, which is something we’re trying to avoid at all costs.”

Dan Bongino, a rightwing podcast host and Fox News contributor, tweeted a link to a post on his website which called the Michigan lockdown order “absurd” while Michigan house Republicans also tacitly backed the protests.

“The protesters are upset the governor is thinking in terms of what jobs are ‘essential’ or ‘non-essential’, instead of considering whether a job can be done safely. If workers are able to use proper social distancing practices on the job, we believe they should be able to earn a living,” Michigan house Republicans said in a tweet.

“The governor’s one-size-fits-all approach also is causing frustration. Since different regions of the state are experiencing varying levels of exposure, why doesn’t the governor take a more regional approach to her order?”

 
You rightly call out sources like MSNBC for being fake news and puppets for the DNC, yet you gobble this trash right up. Front page is a mix of spam ads and the actual "content" , most of which is focusing on Nancy Pelosi's ice cream and Obama's brother endorsing Trump. That's some hard hitting stuff.
That's just like, your opinion, man

Or, alternatively, I can have sex and now, suddenly, one more problem, it is no longer STDs, now I have also covid.. they want to stop reproduction to control reproduction, it is like Huxley said.
COVID19 has single-handedly destroyed hookup culture.

It is so sad that people cannot date and have a love life now!
especially for the young people.
Yeah one of my buddies been trying to lose his virginity and he's been getting really close then the pandemic lockdowns hit. Can't f**k with that

If you’re gonna share shit then make sure you fact check it. That’s bogus as fuck. Edited spelling mistake
Fair enough but I've seen multiple reports of this stuff and what you can't deny is that all across the world right now patients who should be in hospitals or receiving surgeries are being told to stay home. These measures are contributing to a lot of death. The problem is I don't expect the MSM to report honestly if this is happening but I will find better sources.

Breaking news. Its now been confirmed Covid-19 comes from the wuhan bio virus labs. Chinese whistle blowers in Beijing published the academic papers
I personally wouldn't call that a smoking gun. I still think this originated at Fort Detrick, there's some pretty interesting timelines including cases of a strange virus that attacked the lungs last year in the US. Remember those deaths last year they tried to blame on vaping? (they tried to blame chinese vape juice). They're also even suggesting now that substantial number of people in Cali have probably already been infected with this. It will be interested if there are any thorough investigations into the origins and what will happen to who was ultimately responsible (if anything).
 
I have my own sources within Chinese triads who have deep knowledge on Chinese affairs but even they will not try fuck with the Chinese government but they also believe and are hearing leaked information that this was a escaped virus from the Wuhan virus lab. Patient Zero is a wuhan virus researcher who spread it via the seafood market. Im sure it will come all to light within the future many sources of information from within china and the areas in wuhan and surrounding it are been captured and killed by Chinese officials to cover up it to their own citizens but the information had already been spread.

This virus is not US made fort detrick man thats stretching it. Those vaping injuries on the lungs was due to black market cannabis carts not some super bio weapon. I been vaping for years i know even just normal vaping is fucking terrible for your lungs.
 
Fair enough but I've seen multiple reports of this stuff and what you can't deny is that all across the world right now patients who should be in hospitals or receiving surgeries are being told to stay home. These measures are contributing to a lot of death. The problem is I don't expect the MSM to report honestly if this is happening but I will find better sources.

That also isn’t true, in fact my neighbour spent yesterday in a hospital due to suspected appendicitis and was treated excellently. Picked up by ambulance straight away and given appropriate treatment.
The reason people are dying from preventable illness etc is because THEY are afraid to go to the hospital/drs due to this virus. It’s NOT because those hospitals won’t treat them.
 
Yeah, well everyone speaks as it just a philosophical discussion. What the fuck are we doing? Huh? ha iih haha, listen. Joke aside, ya know, in the last couple month I didn't had enough money to support my family. I have 3 kids, I also have another house to pay. The government has forbidden the market - buying/sharing-- but not bills. I've been back to childhood, what the fuck are we even talkin about, you crazy? I've been on the corners for the last 2 months, fuck that. Five-O knows me, I can't allow this shit but yo, we have to survive.
 
I have my own sources within Chinese triads who have deep knowledge on Chinese affairs but even they will not try fuck with the Chinese government but they also believe and are hearing leaked information that this was a escaped virus from the Wuhan virus lab. Patient Zero is a wuhan virus researcher who spread it via the seafood market. Im sure it will come all to light within the future many sources of information from within china and the areas in wuhan and surrounding it are been captured and killed by Chinese officials to cover up it to their own citizens but the information had already been spread.

This virus is not US made fort detrick man thats stretching it. Those vaping injuries on the lungs was due to black market cannabis carts not some super bio weapon. I been vaping for years i know even just normal vaping is fucking terrible for your lungs.

Even if it originated in China, W.H.O. knew about it and tried to help them cover it up...as a couple of people pointed out on the other page. Where it originated isn’t necessarily my main concern. It’s how it was allowed to spread and who helped it get this bad.

That’s interesting information you have though!
 
That also isn’t true, in fact my neighbour spent yesterday in a hospital due to suspected appendicitis and was treated excellently. Picked up by ambulance straight away and given appropriate treatment.
The reason people are dying from preventable illness etc is because THEY are afraid to go to the hospital/drs due to this virus. It’s NOT because those hospitals won’t treat them.
Yes it is. Surgeries all over the world have been postponed and this will create a massive backlog. I'm seeing what doctors around the world are saying (especially in ICU) and they're saying that they are quiet.

I have my own sources within Chinese triads who have deep knowledge on Chinese affairs but even they will not try fuck with the Chinese government but they also believe and are hearing leaked information that this was a escaped virus from the Wuhan virus lab.
I guess that settles it (and people criticize my sources).

This virus is not US made fort detrick man thats stretching it. Those vaping injuries on the lungs was due to black market cannabis carts not some super bio weapon. I been vaping for years i know even just normal vaping is fucking terrible for your lungs.

Here is a very interesting timeline of potentially-relevant events:

USA Apr, 2019: An outbreak of severe vaping-associated lung illness is exclusively confined to the United States, despite the fact that the majority of vapers live outside the US.

USA Jul 3, 2019: The CDC halts research at Fort Detrick, citing “national security reasons” for not releasing information about its decision.

USA Jul 14, 2019
: Chinese researcher escorted from infectious disease lab amid RCMP investigation. Public Health Agency of Canada describes it as a possible ‘policy breach,’ no risk to Canadian public. The first Chinese to discover or warn about the Covid-19 outbreak?

AUSTRALIA Aug, 2019: Australia Health Management Plan for Pandemic Influenza released.

USA Aug, 2019: First Vaping Death Reported by Health Officials “Amid the lack of information, investigators scrambled to find shared links to the respiratory problems. Officials said earlier this week that many patients, most of whom were adolescents or young adults, had described difficulty breathing, chest pain, vomiting and fatigue,” the precise symptoms of Covid-19 infection.

USA Sep 2019:
Recently (2020), a team of Chinese researchers claimed to demonstrate that Covid-19 was born in September, 2019. The British researchers who had discovered the earlier H1N1 date are not convinced.

Sep 17, 2019 - The Global Preparedness Monitoring Board releases first annual report, titled ‘A World At Risk

ITALY Oct - Dec, 2019: Adriano Decarli, an epidemiologist and medical statistics professor at the University of Milan, said there had been a “significant” increase in the number of people hospitalized for pneumonia and flu in the areas of Milan and Lodi between October and December (See entry March 27, 2020)

USA Oct 18, 2019: The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY. Event 201 simulated an "outbreak of a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic that leaves 65 million dead.

CHINA Oct 27, 2019 At a peak of international tension and the ‘flu season in the northern hemisphere, on the eve of China’s biggest travel season, 300 American military servicemen visit Wuhan for the International Military Games.

ITALY Nov 4, 2019: The Health Protection Agency and ASST begin collaboration with family doctors to vaccinate residents of Bergamo against flu.

USA Nov 15, 2019: CDC posted job notices across the USA for a Quarantine Program Public Health Advisor on 11/15/2019 - 2 months before the Wuhan outbreak.

USA Dec, 2019. A Chinese medical researcher is arrested in Boston trying to take biological samples back to China. Zheng Zaosong, of Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, confessed to taking material from a lab in Boston. FBI Special Agent Kara Spice found 21 wrapped vials containing a “brown liquid” that appeared to be “biological material” (samples of post-mortem lung tissue look like ‘brown liquid’). Zheng’s roommate, also a researcher, told FBI agents that two labmates of Zheng had succeeded in getting specimens to China. China, presumably, now went on high alert.

USA/CHINA Dec 2019: Chinese researchers in the USA informed China’s Health Ministry of a novel Coronavirus outbreak there, triggering a readiness alert nationwide. The WHO describes what happened next, “In the face of a previously unknown virus, China has rolled out perhaps the most ambitious, agile, and aggressive disease containment effort in history…China’s bold approach to contain the rapid spread of this new respiratory pathogen has changed the course of a rapidly escalating and deadly epidemic.”

CHINA Dec 26, 2019: Jixian Zhang detects four anomalous pneumonia infections in Wuhan and reports them to the provincial CDC the next day. The provincial authorities immediately inform the national CDC which prepares to implement the pandemic response protocols.

GERMANY Dec 25-Dec 31, 2019: Charité (clinic in Berlin) starts developing test for the new Corona virus after first informal information reaches them. Later sends prototype to China, "unnamed colleagues" in China confirm that it works. WHO then publishes the test on its website as the first test. China develops own test, but demand is high elsewhere - even in Southeast Asia.

CHINA Dec 30, 2019: China’s national CDC notifies the WHO

CHINA Dec 31, 2019: WHO reports Zhang’s discovery to the world.

ITALY Jan 4, 2020: Residents of Bergamo queue to receive vaccination against Meningococcus C after 4 deaths in the area.

MALAYSIA Jan 5, 2020:
Malaysia’s Assistant to the Prime Minister, Matthias Chang, speculates that the US is waging biological warfare on China.

USA Jan 6:
Infectious disease expert Amesh A. Adalja, M.D., senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, agrees, “We are on track to have a season like the 2017-2018 season,” when 80,000 Americans died of flu complications. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a travel notice for Wuhan, China due to the spreading coronavirus

CHINA January 7: China identifies the virus as 2019-nCov and confirms it five days later. President Xi tells officials that the country is on a ‘war footing’

USA Jan 7: The CDC established a coronavirus incident management system to better share and respond to information about the virus

USA Jan 11: The CDC issued a Level I travel health notice for Wuhan, China

CHINA Jan 13: China makes the first 2019-nCov test kits available.

USA Jan 17: The CDC began implementing public health entry screening at the 3 U.S. airports that received the most travelers from Wuhan – San Francisco, New York JFK, and Los Angeles

USA Jan 19: A 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. Apart from a history of hypertriglyceridemia, the patient was an otherwise healthy nonsmoker. On January 20, 2020, the CDC confirmed that the patient’s nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal swabs tested positive for 2019-nCoV. By Jan. 30, the patient’s symptoms had resolved, according to a New England Journal of Medicine paper. Snohomish County officials allowed him to leave home isolation three weeks later.

USA Jan 20: Dr Fauci announces the National Institutes of Health is already working on the development of a vaccine for the coronavirus

USA Jan 21: The CDC activated its emergency operations center to provide ongoing support to the coronavirus response

USA Jan 21: Donald Trump's coronavirus advisor, Dr. Anthony Fauci, gives an interview on Jan. 21 downplaying the seriousness of the coronavirus, saying, "This is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States should be worried about right now."

USA Jan 23: The CDC sought a “special emergency authorization” from the FDA to allow states to use its newly developed coronavirus test

CHINA Jan 25: Construction begins on a 1,000 bed intensive care hospital in Wuhan.

CHINA Jan 26: China extends Spring Festival holiday to contain the outbreak.

USA Jan 27: The CDC issued a level III travel health notice urging Americans to avoid all nonessential travel to China due to the coronavirus

USA Jan 28: Harvard Chemistry Professor Arrested, Handcuffed, And Accused Of Lying About Ties To China. Charles Lieber, Chair of Harvard’s Department of Chemical Biology, led a Chinese research group focusing on the use of nanotechnology to identify viruses.

USA Jan 29: The White House announced the formation of the Coronavirus Task Force to help monitor and contain the spread of the virus and provide updates to the President

USA Jan 31: The Trump Administration:Declared the coronavirus a public health emergency; Announced Chinese travel restrictions; Suspended entry into the United States for foreign nationals who pose a risk of transmitting the coronavirus. The Department of Homeland Security took critical steps to funnel all flights from China into just 7 domestic U.S. airports

USA Feb 3: The CDC had a team ready to travel to China to obtain critical information on the novel coronavirus, but were in the U.S. awaiting permission to enter by the Chinese government

USA Feb 4: President Trump vowed in his State of the Union Address to “take all necessary steps” to protect Americans from the coronavirus

CHINA Feb 5: First patients moved into new 1,000 bed intensive care hospital.

USA Feb 6: The CDC began shipping CDC-Developed test kits for the 2019 Novel Coronavirus to U.S. and international labs

USA Feb 9: The White House Coronavirus Task Force briefed governors from across the nation at the National Governors’ Association Meeting in Washington

USA Feb 11: The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) expanded a partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a coronavirus vaccine

USA Feb 12: The U.S. shipped test kits for the 2019 novel coronavirus to approximately 30 countries who lacked the necessary reagents and other materials; The CDC was prepared to travel to China but had yet to receive permission from the Chinese government

USA Feb 14: The CDC began working with five labs to conduct “community-based influenza surveillance” to study and detect the spread of coronavirus

USA Feb 18: HHS announced it would engage with Sanofi Pasteur in an effort to quickly develop a coronavirus vaccine and to develop treatment for coronavirus infections

CHINA Feb 23. Chinese scientists found genomic evidence that the seafood market in Wuhan was not the source of the novel coronavirus. Their genetic data suggests the virus was introduced from elsewhere and had already circulated widely among humans in Wuhan before December 2019, probably beginning in mid- to late November.

USA Feb 24: The Trump Administration sent a letter to Congress requesting at least $2.5 billion to help combat the spread of the coronavirus

USA Feb 26: President Trump discussed coronavirus containment efforts with Indian PM Modi and updated the press on his Administration’s containment efforts in the U.S. during his state visit to India

CHINA Feb 27: On Taiwan TV a prominent virologist explained flow charts suggesting that the coronavirus originated in the US.

USA Feb 29: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) allowed certified labs to develop and begin testing coronavirus testing kits while reviewing pending applications. The Trump Administration:Announced a level 4 travel advisory to areas of Italy and South Korea; Barred all travel to Iran; Barred the entry of foreign citizens who visited Iran in the last 14 days

USA Mar 3: The Director General of the WHO announced: "While many people globally have built up immunity to seasonal flu strains, COVID-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity. That means more people are susceptible to infection, and some will suffer severe disease. Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected." This was patently false. The coronavirus mortality rate reported by the media as stated by Dr. Ghebreyesus is completely inaccurate as all subsequent numbers show. The CDC lifted federal restrictions on coronavirus testing to allow any American to be tested for coronavirus, “subject to doctor’s orders.” The White House announced President Trump donated his fourth quarter salary to fight the coronavirus!

CHINA Mar 4: February rail freight loadings rise 4.5% YOY.

USA Mar 4: The Trump Administration announced the purchase of $500 million N95 respirators over the next 18 months to respond to the outbreak of the novel coronavirus. Secretary Azar announced that HHS was transferring $35 million to the CDC to help state and local communities that have been impacted most by the coronavirus

CHINA Mar 5: Shipments to foreign JIT customers upgraded: government subsidizes upgrades from sea to rail delivery and from rail to air delivery.

USA Mar 6: Question: How did the virus come to the United States? Answer: “The first known patients in the U.S. contracted the virus while traveling in other countries or after exposure to someone who had been to China or one of the other affected areas. But now, a few cases here cannot be traced to these risk factors. This is concerning because it suggests the illness may be spreading across communities for which the source of infection is unknown, which we call community spread/transmission. Dr. Emily Landon, spokesperson, U Chicago School of Medicine. President Trump signed an $8.3 billion bill to fight the coronavirus outbreak. The bill provides $7.76 billion to federal, state, & local agencies to combat the coronavirus and authorizes an additional $500 million in waivers for Medicare telehealth restrictions

USA Mar 9: HHS staffers often weren’t informed about coronavirus developments because they didn’t have adequate clearance. He said he was told that the matters were classified “because it had to do with China.”

USA Mar 9: President Trump called on Congress to pass a payroll tax cut over coronavirus

USA Mar 10: President Trump and VP Pence met with top health insurance companies and secured a commitment to waive co-pays for coronavirus testing

USA Mar 11: White House classifies coronavirus deliberations. The meetings at HHS were held in a secure area called a “Sensitive Compartmentalized Information Facility,” or SCIF, usually reserved for intelligence and military operations. HHS has SCIFs because theoretically it would play a major role in biowarfare or chemical attacks.

USA Mar 11: President Trump: Announced travel restrictions on foreigners who had visited Europe in the last 14 days; Directed the Small Business Administration to issue low-interest loans to affected small businesses and called on congress to increase this fund by $50bil

CHINA Mar 10: Government organizes and subsidizes bus, rail and air transport for two hundred million migrant workers to return to urban jobs.

USA Mar 12,: CDC director Robert Redfield admits to a House Oversight Committee that some Americans who were diagnosed as dying from influenza tested positive for Covid-19 posthumously.

CHINA Mar 13: Chinese FM’s Lijian Zhao demands US authorities reveal what they’re hiding about the origins of Covid-19. “When did patient zero begin in the US? How many people are infected? What are the names of the hospitals? It might be the US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make your data public! The US owes us an explanation!”

CHINA Mar 16: Ninety percent of businesses expected to resume full operations. All Apple stores open.

USA Mar 18: HHS temporarily suspended a regulation that prevents doctors from practicing across state lines

CHINA Mar 19: No new corona virus cases.

USA Mar 19: President Trump Announced: Very encouraging progress shown by anti-malaria drug Hydroxychloroquine for fighting coronavirus; Carnival Cruise Lines will make ships available for use as hospitals in impacted areas to use for non-coronavirus patients; Vice President Pence announced tens of thousands of ventilators have been identified that can be converted to treat patients; The State Department issued a global level 4 health advisory, telling Americans to avoid all international travel due to coronavirus; President Trump directed FEMA to take the lead on the Federal Government’s coronavirus response & visited FEMA HQ with Vice President Pence for a video call with Governors

USA Mar 20: The U.S. and Mexico agreed to mutually restrict nonessential cross-border traffic; Secretary Mnuchin announced at the direction of President Trump that tax day will be moved from April 15 to July 15 for all taxpayers and businesses; President Trump: Spoke with Sen. Schumer about coronavirus response & stimulus measures; Held a call with over 12,000 small business owners to discuss relief efforts; Announced the CDC will invoke Title 42 to provide border patrol with tools to secure the borders. The Department of Education announced it will: Not enforce standardized testing requirements for the remainder of the school year; allow federal student loan borrowers to stop payments without penalty for 60 days. Secretary Azar announced: FEMA is coordinating and assisting coronavirus testing at labs across the country; The CDC is suspending all illegal entries to the country based on the public health threat, via Section 362 of the Public Health & Security Act; sent a letter to all 50 Governors announcing that the federal government is buying and making available 200,000 testing swabs

ITALY, March 27. Italian scientists investigate possible earlier emergence of coronavirus
Adriano Decarli, an epidemiologist and medical statistics professor at the University of Milan, said there had been a “significant” increase in the number of people hospitalized for pneumonia and flu in the areas of Milan and Lodi between October and December last year.

He told Reuters he could not give exact figures but “hundreds” more people than usual had been taken to hospital in the last three months of 2019 in those areas - two of Lombardy’s worst hit cities - with pneumonia and flu-like symptoms, and some of those had died. (see entry Oct-Dec 2019)

US, March 30: The U.S. Just Signed A $450 Million Coronavirus Vaccine Contract With Johnson & Johnson
The Trump administration is spending nearly half a billion dollars on one company in the race to find a coronavirus vaccine.

That’s according to a $456 million order with Johnson & Johnson’s Pharmaceuticals arm Janssen, which specified a “new vaccine asset for 2019 Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19),” Forbes found. It’s the largest reported amount spent on a vaccine project to date, even though the pharma giant hasn’t yet started any clinical trials as other firms have.
 
Yes it is. Surgeries all over the world have been postponed and this will create a massive backlog. I'm seeing what doctors around the world are saying (especially in ICU) and they're saying that they are quiet.
You are correct in that surgeries that aren’t medical emergencies are being cancelled. Like my aunts knee operation has been cancelled. Surgeries whereby people need them in order to live are not being cancelled, example another of my aunts had a Growth removed that was suspected cancer. So yes I’m sure they are quieter in that regard because non essential surgeries are cancelled to make room for covid patients. You are trying to imply they are cancelling all surgeries even those that people need to survive and that just is not true.

You do make some interesting observations but you completely ruin your credibility when you try to dress things like that up in such ways and it makes me disregard the entirety of what you say due to it.

You also back up your beliefs with YouTube videos and non scientific sources. Again, unreliable and you are not fact checking thoroughly enough.

In Ireland we have drs on insta who are on the frontline and who are giving very factual information on what is going on. Today I was pleased to hear one say that the lockdown is working and they can now state that as a fact due to the statistics.
 
You are correct in that surgeries that aren’t medical emergencies are being cancelled. Like my aunts knee operation has been cancelled. Surgeries whereby people need them in order to live are not being cancelled
Almost all of the surgeries being postponed are essential they just might not be life-threatening. But there is indeed great harm being done to people being refused/delayed care or too petrified to go anywhere near a hospital or a doctor.

You do make some interesting observations but you completely ruin your credibility when you try to dress things like that up in such ways and it makes me disregard the entirety of what you say due to it.
You sort of put words in my mouth and that's your choice to disregard useful information.

You also back up your beliefs with YouTube videos and non scientific sources. Again, unreliable and you are not fact checking thoroughly enough.
To me this is a comment of someone ignorant. Flippantly dismissing Youtube videos and instead appealing to a mainstream authority is not a smart thing to do (especially in these times).
I've probably posted more science in this thread than anyone else.

I was pleased to hear one say that the lockdown is working and they can now state that as a fact due to the statistics.
How would they know it's due to the lockdown and not just the virus being much less of a threat than originally threatened by the media? What was the projected death total there (factoring in lockdowns - important point) and what's the actual death toll? I've shown repeatedly how they're padding and manipulating their statistics.
 
Almost all of the surgeries being postponed are essential they just might not be life-threatening. But there is indeed great harm being done to people being refused/delayed care or too petrified to go anywhere near a hospital or a doctor.


You sort of put words in my mouth and that's your choice to disregard useful information.


To me this is a comment of someone ignorant. Flippantly dismissing Youtube videos and instead appealing to a mainstream authority is not a smart thing to do (especially in these times).
I've probably posted more science in this thread than anyone else.

How would they know it's due to the lockdown and not just the virus being much less of a threat than originally threatened by the media? What was the projected death total there (factoring in lockdowns - important point) and what's the actual death toll? I've shown repeatedly how they're padding and manipulating their statistics.
Honestly, I’m not going in circles with you. Have at it.
 
Have a read, if you like.

Cancer patient dies in isolation, waiting for negative COVID-19 test
Gill Rayson's life was beautiful but her death wasn't. She died in an isolation ward overlooking a dumpster, awaiting a coronavirus test.

The 53-year-old had terminal lung cancer, yet in her final hours at Frankston Hospital her family says she was denied access to a palliative care unit and deemed a potential coronavirus patient.


New evidence of child deaths linked to ‘stay at home’ COVID warnings
Medical incident logs leaked to openDemocracy show how children are becoming ‘collateral damage’ of the pandemic. (Warning: distressing content.)


A cure worse than the disease: UK lockdown could cause 150,000 ‘avoidable’ deaths, MORE than the virus it’s meant to stop
It is a tragic irony, but scientists advising government ministers predict that the extreme restrictions imposed in response to the Covid-19 outbreak will lead directly to a surge in deaths greater than that caused by the virus.

The shocking estimate, first reported in the Financial Times and the Spectator magazine, was presented to UK government ministers by scientists who had modelled the likely effects of the restrictions.

The cause of the non-Covid deaths will be varied, from cancer sufferers and other seriously ill people not getting treatment, from people avoiding going to hospitals (visits to accident and emergency units are down by a third), from an increase in suicides among depressed people forced to self-isolate and from the effects of increased domestic abuse.


Warning as UK coronavirus outbreak leads to sharp rise in deaths at home
The coronavirus crisis has led to a sharp rise in the number of seriously ill people dying at home because they are reluctant to call for an ambulance, doctors and paramedics have warned.

Minutes of a remote meeting held by London A&E chiefs last week obtained by the Guardian reveal that dozens more people than usual are dying at home of a cardiac arrest – potentially related to coronavirus – each day before ambulance crews can reach them.
 
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