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Awww I love you guys! I know things look bleak, but hold on. 
Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)
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But way more people die from traffic related incidents every day than this measly 28. Ramp up that # to at least a hundred per million, a day. Bad analogy.
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Brazilian researchers from the Oswaldo Cruz Institute (Fiocruz) studying how the new coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 attacks and infects cells in the human body hav
Im working in the medical sector as a therapist, and I'm self employed. Because of the fact people pay me cash I had no income whatsoever for the last 5 weeks. So I'm looing forward to start working again on Wednesday ( I don't care what our little child with his Dumbo-Ears says) - I have to earn money to LIVE. Of course we work under totally different cirdumstances so that nobody gets infected.
I'm soooo looking forward to it after sitting at home for 5 weeks!!!!
JJ
I'm soooo looking forward to it after sitting at home for 5 weeks!!!!
JJ
JGrimez
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If we want to keep eating, our politicians are going to have to knock off this “shutdown” nonsense and let people get back to work.
Yes, even if that means that COVID-19 remains a problem or becomes a bigger problem.
The varying probabilities of catching the disease, and the varying probabilities of dying from it, pale next to the absolute, indubitable, 100% certainty that if we do not eat, we WILL die.
Politicians can’t just shut down major parts of an economy at will, start them back up, and expect things to go well. They can’t throttle the food supply chain without consequences.
Yes, even if that means that COVID-19 remains a problem or becomes a bigger problem.
The varying probabilities of catching the disease, and the varying probabilities of dying from it, pale next to the absolute, indubitable, 100% certainty that if we do not eat, we WILL die.
Politicians can’t just shut down major parts of an economy at will, start them back up, and expect things to go well. They can’t throttle the food supply chain without consequences.
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JGrimez
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Depends on the sample size. Bad response to this virus.
Maybe so. I've seen plenty of bad responses, yourself and myself included. The only good response to this virus is to do the very best job not to get anyone sick and not to get sick yourself. Whether this a conspiracy/global takeover or just a bad pandemic, nobody likes getting sick with anything. I wouldn't wish even the flu or a nasty cold or stomach bug on someone, so if people are considerate and take the necessary steps not to infect someone or become infected themselves, then this might go away faster.
It wouldnt be a bad idea to just be cautious when it's a regularfull-season, less deaths and you and I might not have to get the flu.
Hygiene during times of sickness is disregarded which is just gross, it should be common sense to avoid being around people when someone is sick.
All in all, this virus is being treated very seriously, and maybe too seriously; I am not in a position to decide how it should be handled. But it would be a much better world if everybody took any virus a bit more seriously. If something causes disease, special precautions/actions should be taken to avoid spreading it to avoid spreading it to the rest of the public.
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yeah, such as, for example, the limitations of the study that were described in the abstract. ooh wow you're so clever you found the same flaws in the authors' data that they mentioned themselves. nothing written about the study, in my posts or the NEJM, makes any attempt to hide the fact that it is nonconclusive and preliminary. i just happened to be like, happy for a second that i guessed right.
what i did earlier was to respond to your argument about patient selection, which in fairness, is in the blog post. that argument seems irrelevant to me whether it's made by you or Dr. Fawkes because you can't game a number you're not measuring in the first place.
look you're just not thinking about this. the point of the study isn't the data. the data is obviously meaningless. the point of the study is that in the opinion of the co-authors the results were impressive. that's why nobody cared who wrote the paper. clearly this is subject to all of the normal limitations associated with it being somebody's opinion.
btw it's not exactly impressive that i have to carefully explain what it means to "contribute" before you'll try to do it
fun fact: the phrase "your world" is an insult.
JGrimez
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You've got the priorities reversed. There's no stopping people from getting sick. If anything the 'establishment' has over decades lied to the people about how exactly to strengthen their immunity against diseases (which to me exposes their new agenda of actually caring about our health all of a sudden). I'd rather get sick with the flu - and accept that many people will die from flu related illnesses which happens every year anyway - than second-guess a global takeover until it's too late to do anything about it. As I've stated I'm more than happy to agree with new government rules that relate to personal hygiene (I've always thought most people have terrible personal hygiene and I was never a big fan of shaking strangers' hands).
I appreciate the spirit of what you're trying to say. The problem now is that some people (even some of my "friends") are supporting mandatory vaccinations for adults in order to allegedly combat the threat of this virus. This means that they support the authorities breaking into my house and forcibly restraining me while injecting me with something that their experts have deemed to be safe and effective. I understand why some people would support this (fear, ignorance and an appeal to authority) but unfortunately anyone who supports this medical fascism and violating of human rights is my enemy.
Shady's Fox
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Coming from the depths of Paris Catacombs, another theory's rising. This time by a public figure, Roger Stone -- he states that Gates had this outbreak planned long time ago in order to microchip everyone. Hm..
TheLoveBandit
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Simple litmus test = grab a phrase from the heart of the discussion and use a search engine to find it. I tried this with several phrases both in his original quotation marks, and in a subsequent post with quote boxes. Nil positive hits on google OR duckduckgo OR bing. The options are a) he is pulling these quotes from a private forum not indexed by any search engines, or b) he's pulling it out of his ass.
JG - I like you, but I've watched for years as you are consistently challenged to provide quotes for this kinda thing, and you ALWAYS fail to answer. Instead, you flood the thread with posts supporting your ideas. That's fine, the forum is for sharing AND DISCUSSING of ideas. However, when a member (public, or staff) consistently posts in a manner that is essentially shouting their view, it becomes difficult for a discussion to occur.
One can make a point, succinctly (ha! I can't, but it is possible) not by shouting everyone else down but providing an irrefutable statement with the substance to back it up. You're posts are like shotgun scatter, one direction and all over the place. How about dialing it back down to a level of discussion, instead of trying for the winning post count per page? I've seen you engage in some posts, countering other ideas, explaining why it doesn't make sense to you, or why it supports your theory. Either way, everyone in here knows your views, but it can become overbearing. Have you noticed the only competition you really have in the hole forum is me, in the meme pages, and that is meaningless babble by definition (mine, that is).
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TheLoveBandit
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I've tried to politely point this out to you before, nova, but I'll say it bluntly. You DO present yourself as knowledgeable, without anything to support it (even so much as an unsubstantiated claim of the work you do or experiences you've had) - just with 'there are people who know', to which I often hear ominous pipe organ music running in the background. Your tone, repeatedly, is one of confrontation and belittling others. Again, not a great way to win folks over. One can be smart and knowledgeable, and yet communicate in a way that doesn't seek to piss people off to where they dismiss you.
Emotion undercuts your message, every time. I say that not just to nova, but to everyone getting snippy with one another in here. Everyone, take a chill pill (or more, hell, we are all Bluelighters). But if you want to come in here and share ideas in discussions = GREAT! If you have to do it with a fire hose (JG) or uncalled for arrogance (nova), then you will be disregarded by those you are trying to educate with your view. It's not just the message, it's how it's delivered.
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Breaking news. Its now been confirmed Covid-19 comes from the wuhan bio virus labs. Chinese whistle blowers in Beijing published the academic papers. Now the communist government is scrambling it take down all the reports. Fuck the CCP those scum cunts have done the dirtiest tactics for a war now unleashing a bio weapon on the world america should fucking nuke their main military cities of china to teach them a fucking lesson
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Research paper by Chinese scientists shows COVID-19 came from Wuhan biolab
A Chinese research paper showing that the novel coronavirus had come from a Wuhan biolab and not from the bats sold at the Wuhan market had been censored by communist authorities and pulled out of …
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China imposes restrictions on research into origins of coronavirus
China has imposed restrictions on the publication of academic research on the origins of the novel coronavirus, according to a central government directive and online notices published by two Chinese universities, that have since been removed from the web.
TheLoveBandit
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If you don't like the car analogy, you'd flip over the one I'm hearing elsewhere. The premise on that one is that the average age of a person dying of Covid in Italy is 78.5, for which we shut down the entire world economy. But for Vietnam, where the average age of those killed was 20ish, the world kept spinning. How tragic those who lost 40+ years of life ahead of them and here Italy is losing on average, what, 3y of life? Not very active-productive years to boot?
To which, I had to roll my eyes and walk away. They miss the whole point in trying to compare a WAR situation where engagement is reviewed and determined worth spending lives in order to achieve a goal VS a virus that will go after living humans regardless of race, color, religion, nationality, or any other factor but it seems to like old people best. Absurd comparison.
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Check out Healthy People 2020 - their goal for years has been forced adult vaccinations by 2020. It was Trump who put that on pause back in 2018 but thanks to the virus these people may in fact get their wish in 2020. Think of all the money to be made by mandating vaccines for everyone, globally.
Bingo well done. Which is what I stated.
Listening to people giving you direct, personal accounts of what they're experiencing from around the world is extremely important at this point.
I'll attempt to post less and whittle things down to the most important and most relevant. How everything I post is more pieces to the puzzle.
I like you too btw.
Shady's Fox
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Haha, I knew it. I've knew that I saw these arguments somewhere else before, haha. What, what. I think there's a wave of warmth around him now. Tssss, that's so sad. Look man, if you don't know something -- you can always ask, that's what a sane person does. Everyday you learn something new.
TheLoveBandit
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Sorry. I must have missed that in the flood
It is anecdotal, which is great for someone trying to find an instance to support their point but doesn't bring substance that others will put faith in. It's too easy to fabricate, or to pick up from elsewhere and bring as 'proof' when in fact it was fabricated by others and passed off. It's a trap I fall into way to often, simply carrying things into this forum without trying to validate it myself first. Why should I ask others to take it on faith just because I say so? I should do the legwork to make it substantiated.
Case in point, the other (conservative) sites I'm on have people in the medical field, also relaying they are no where near the levels MSM is screaming about. These are the guys and gals I post with there, stating in their jobs they aren't seeing it. Stating that their sister, dad, college buddy, they ain't seeing swamped hospitals either. I don't bring it here because:
- Who knows if that's really their real world job or they are keyboard warriors?
- Who knows if that reality is a moment they are witnessing while there is hours of hyper activity and bodies elsewhere?
You and I will agree we can't trust the MSM reporting. But how far can we trust voices on the internet?
JessFR
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Breaking news. Its now been confirmed Covid-19 comes from the wuhan bio virus labs. Chinese whistle blowers in Beijing published the academic papers. Now the communist government is scrambling it take down all the reports. Fuck the CCP those scum cunts have done the dirtiest tactics for a war now unleashing a bio weapon on the world america should fucking nuke their main military cities of china to teach them a fucking lesson
Research paper by Chinese scientists shows COVID-19 came from Wuhan biolab
A Chinese research paper showing that the novel coronavirus had come from a Wuhan biolab and not from the bats sold at the Wuhan market had been censored by communist authorities and pulled out of …
China imposes restrictions on research into origins of coronavirus
China has imposed restrictions on the publication of academic research on the origins of the novel coronavirus, according to a central government directive and online notices published by two Chinese universities, that have since been removed from the web.
I wouldn't exactly call that confirmed. Going over the paper, it appears to be basing its argument entirely on circumstance. Not what I'd call a smoking gun.
Also, even taking it at face value, it appears to be arguing that it was a mistake, not deliberate.
Doesn't seem like near enough proof to justify deliberately murdering hundreds of thousands of people.
SunriseChampion
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I would have a hard time believing it was deliberate even given proof that it was, but their obfuscation and lies have cause a shitload of harm. Nothing new from the purveyors of fine Xinjiang concentration camps, though, is it?
That perverted oligarchic-fascist regime needs to collapse, the sooner the better.
Anyway, no need to nuke cities though, geeze.
JessFR
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I would have a hard time believing it was deliberate even given proof that it was, but their obfuscation and lies have cause a shitload of harm. Nothing new from the purveyors of fine Xinjiang concentration camps, though, is it?
That perverted oligarchic-fascist regime needs to collapse, the sooner the better.
Anyway, no need to nuke cities though, geeze.
Oh yeah, if nothing else china's political response has been appalling in all sorts of ways.
And suppressing research only serves to make them look more guilty. Although I suppose they don't care. It's not for our benefit, it's to try and prevent their people seeing it.
If you run an authoritarian government, you're not gonna want people blaming you for a disaster, regardless of if it's your fault or not.
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