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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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Xorkoth said:
I wouldn't start smoking to try to protect yourself from COVID based on one study. Personally I'm glad I quit before this (for many reasons).
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Lol oh I’m not going to smoke again and I’m glad I’ve given up but had I seen this before I did I probably would have considered keeping smoking.

I’ve been waking up at night now coughing and clearly my lungs are clearing out so I wouldn’t put them through that again. I do miss my morning cig with a cup of tea though.
 
There is a country where people regularly eat other humans, it is a large country called the USA, and the human derived product is cysteine which comes from human hair (in order to be Kosher) and this product is used as a dough improver in commercial Pizzas mixes.
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There's no evidence that human hair is used, at least not on scale. There is actually an Organic Syntheses preparation using human hair as a starting material. So it's definitely possible, but you'd need huge amounts of hair. (OrgSyn mentions: Hair obtained from barber shops generally contains matches, paper, hair-pins, and cigarette butts, and similar impurities which should be sorted out by hand as completely as possible.) As I understand it human derived products are not halal and are debatably kosher (not acceptable to get hair off a dead person, e.g.). Not saying you can't do it, but I somehow think any cysteine used in the food industry would come from human sources, at least not officially. ("Oh, yeah, that was all produced by fermentation. Definitely not from the barbershop next door.")

Wiki: The majority of l-cysteine is obtained industrially by hydrolysis of animal materials, such as poultry feathers or hog hair. Despite widespread belief otherwise, little evidence shows that human hair is used as a source material and its use is explicitly banned in the European Union. Synthetically produced l-cysteine, compliant with Jewish kosher and Muslim halal laws, is also available, albeit at a higher price. The synthetic route involves fermentation using a mutant of E. coli. Degussa introduced a route from substituted thiazolines. Following this technology, l-cysteine is produced by the hydrolysis of racemic 2-amino-Δ2-thiazoline-4-carboxylic acid using Pseudomonas thiazolinophilum.

... but even if it is from waste hair, so what? Cysteine is just another amino acid, you need it to make protiens, and, ehm, hair. Waste not, want not, I figure. After all cysteine is still cysteine, no matter if it came from a bacteria, total synthesis, or the hair on my chinny chin chin.
 
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PrincessDiz said:
This really annoys me because I gave up smoking like 5 days before this study came out! Haha! Now I don’t think I could force myself to smoke again and it would taste just hideous.
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If you ever decide to start again make sure it's additive-free tobacco.

Xorkoth said:
based on one study.
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2 studies now

A comprehensive review of the many health benefits of smoking Tobacco

The epidemic of junk science in tobacco smoking research

Let's all light up! What you don't know about tobacco

Health Benefits of Smoking Tobacco

Pestilence, the Great Plague and the Tobacco Cure
 
Further, the study authors note that smokers are more likely than non-smokers to ‘suffer comorbidities, such as cardiovascular disease, which are risk factors for adverse COVID-19 outcomes.’ They conclude: Considering the above-mentioned uncertainties, the generalized advice on quitting smoking as a measure to improve health risk remains valid but no recommendation can be currently made concerning the effects of smoking on the risk of hospitalization for COVID-19.

(from the linked article)

jgrimez said:
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Some of those articles made me roll my eyes pretty hard. Some of the arguments are almost suspiciously desperate to disprove any negative effects of tobacco smoking.
"Because tobacco smoking is not listed as a cause of death on death certificates, how can we claim tobacco smoking is harmful?" -> All-or-nothing fallacy
"Anti-tobacco studies are conducted by organizations with a financial interest in stopping smoking, so they are wholly invalidated!" -> Financial support should not invalidate the results of properly conducted research
"Epidemiology is total junk that makes up claims wholesale and ignores the scientific method!" - Perfect world fallacy.
"Studies on the negative effects of tobacco don't correct for environmental factors!" - Many of them do, actually.
"There are not clearly standardized methodologies to test the carcinogenic effect of tobacco smoke and tars, so all results are invalid!" - Perfect world fallacy.
"Secondhand smoke is not directly lethal, so cannot be toxic or harfmul!" - All or nothing fallacy.
"Sprague-Dawley rats are predisposed to cancer anyway!" - framing effect
"Lung cancer and other smoking-caused diseases already occur in people who don't smoke!" - framing effect, ignores the effect size of tobacco use
... and my favourite ...
"Correlation is not causation!" - as if somehow the elevated risks of COPD and the like from smoking is a non-concern or just coincidence

And some of the quotes... wow.
"No ingredient of cigarette smoke has been shown to cause human lung cancer. No-one has been able to produce lung cancer in laboratory animals from smoking." - Professor Schrauzer, President of the International Bio-inorganic Chemists

"After years of intensive research, no compound in cigarette smoking has been established as a health hazard." - Professor Charles H. Hine, University of California

Big words from people with big titles, but clearly any competent scientist can put two and two together: as one simple example, benzene is a established product of tobacco combustion. Benzene is also carcinogenic, mutagenic, and toxic. Ergo, tobacco smoke can be expected to have carcinogenic properties by way of its compositon. To claim that there are no harmful chemicals in a controlled pyrolysis of vegetable matter is frankly stupid, in my eyes.
 
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Prestigious VACCINE Journal: Flu Vaccine Increases Coronavirus Infection Risk 36%
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I actually came across someone touting this article earlier today. Those who are observant would note the date of the study: it's from 2017-2018, before the emergence of SARS-COV-2. The coronavirus strains they are talking about are not SARS-COV-2 but instead the comparatively harmelss common coronaviruses that sometimes cause the common cold.

If anything the vaccine seems pretty damn effective. The data suggests it cuts the rate of influenza infections to about 40-70% of the untreated population, and you are 160% more likely to have no inefction at all.

Hardly something to lose sleep over.
 
sekio said:
Big words from people with big titles, but clearly any competent scientist can put two and two together: as one simple example, benzene is a established product of tobacco combustion. Benzene is also carcinogenic, mutagenic, and toxic. Ergo, tobacco smoke can be expected to have carcinogenic properties by way of its compositon. To claim that there are no harmful chemicals in a controlled pyrolysis of vegetable matter is frankly stupid, in my eyes.
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It's a very interesting debate for me. What I would hope you would agree to admit is that the benefits of tobacco are never or rarely advertised and the dangers overblown. Also I'd like to see a study comparing natural tobacco vs cigarettes with hundreds of added poisons. Because until then you cannot really say that smoking tobacco is that bad for us as we simply don't know. It might be the added chemicals that make some people sick. I haven't touched a "cigarette" in many years and I've gotten at least 10 people to switch to the additive-free sometimes just after they've asked to try one of mine. And every single one agrees, they just can't go back to smoking regular cigarettes. They taste like ass and are very different to tobacco.
 
sekio said:
but instead the comparatively harmelss common coronaviruses that sometimes cause the common cold.
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Not all harmless, 7-15% of yearly flu-related deaths are due to a coronavirus.

I personally would never get another vaccine in my life as I care about my health.
 
sekio said:
There's no evidence that human hair is used, at least not on scale. There is actually an Organic Syntheses preparation using human hair as a starting material. So it's definitely possible, but you'd need huge amounts of hair. (OrgSyn mentions: Hair obtained from barber shops generally contains matches, paper, hair-pins, and cigarette butts, and similar impurities which should be sorted out by hand as completely as possible.) As I understand it human derived products are not halal and are debatably kosher (not acceptable to get hair off a dead person, e.g.). Not saying you can't do it, but I somehow think any cysteine used in the food industry would come from human sources, at least not officially. ("Oh, yeah, that was all produced by fermentation. Definitely not from the barbershop next door.")

Wiki: The majority of l-cysteine is obtained industrially by hydrolysis of animal materials, such as poultry feathers or hog hair. Despite widespread belief otherwise, little evidence shows that human hair is used as a source material and its use is explicitly banned in the European Union. Synthetically produced l-cysteine, compliant with Jewish kosher and Muslim halal laws, is also available, albeit at a higher price. The synthetic route involves fermentation using a mutant of E. coli. Degussa introduced a route from substituted thiazolines. Following this technology, l-cysteine is produced by the hydrolysis of racemic 2-amino-Δ2-thiazoline-4-carboxylic acid using Pseudomonas thiazolinophilum.

... but even if it is from waste hair, so what? Cysteine is just another amino acid, you need it to make protiens, and, ehm, hair. Waste not, want not, I figure. After all cysteine is still cysteine, no matter if it came from a bacteria, total synthesis, or the hair on my chinny chin chin.
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You have clearly spent some inordinate amount of time on that reply, however, you miss the crux of my post, which is in danger of being lost by your the ability to sidetrack yourself consistently off into irrelevance, and that point is to repeat: people eat weird shit. People in other countries eat weird shit too.

some kosher cysteine is from human hair and it has rabbinical approval. I have seen the paperwork. There is also Kosher cyanide but the mind boggles why that is needed.
 
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Breaking news on "The High Wire". This is a disease that effects the blood and hasn't been seen before. The protocol for ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome) ends up being detrimental to patients (it uses respirators), rather than saving them. It explains why patients respond well blood thinners and chloroquine. Patients presenting with a COVID-19 infection look like a person who has 'the bends' or altitude sickness (heard this from that NYC ICU doctor too)

 
New Zealand government originally threw out a ridiculously high death estimate and then stated that even with the strict lockdowns they expect a death count of 2,000.

So far there's been 1 (arguably from the flu).

I wonder why people aren't more skeptical of this bullshit that they're peddling.
 
JGrimez said:
New Zealand government originally threw out a ridiculously high death estimate and then stated that even with the strict lockdowns they expect a death count of 2,000.

So far there's been 1 (arguably from the flu).

I wonder why people aren't more skeptical of this bullshit that they're peddling.
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narrative control and expectation control at its finest. Remember these government people are experienced propagandists.
Tell people it is going to be really really bad then institute severe lockdown and other such bullshit, then when it turns out not so bad say the reason is the severe lockdowns and similar bullshit. from the politicians point of view you can't then go wrong.

Half the people in NZ have below average intelligence and without cynicism they fall for this nonsense every time. I am not singling out NZ in particular. fool all of the people, some of the time, some of the people all the time...the effect is the same.
 
Sign this petition please so healthcare workers in America can get the appropriate equipment to wear for protection. The pictures of the doctors in China and Italy look like they’re geared up to go into space. lol We hardly have on any gear at all. Shame.

www.change.org

Sign the Petition

US Physicians/Healthcare Workers For Personal Protective Equipment in COVID-19 Pandemic
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novaveritas said:
then when it turns out not so bad say the reason is the severe lockdowns and similar bullshit. from the politicians point of view you can't then go wrong.
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I get that but they said even with the lockdowns the count would be 2,000. They might be setting themselves up for a bit of angry backlash, unless you're right about Kiwis being kinda dumb and apathetic (we Aussies aren't much better but we won't just roll over and take as much shit., I think that's why the controls have moved much slower here).
 
Global fatalities have now surpassed 100,000.

Here are the top ten countries by per-capita fatalities. They make up 80% of global COVID-19-related deaths. Note that, ignoring the Strait of Dover, all but Sweden and the U.S. are Western European countries attached to each other via land borders.

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EDIT: I missed Luxembourg (should have been above Sweden) and didn't include microstates such as San Marino.
 
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