Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

[sekio]

sidetrack yourself consistently off into irrelevance,

What you may consider useless ramblings, others might consider useful trivia.

people eat weird shit. People in other countries eat weird shit too.

Yes they do. I find century eggs up there on the list of truly weird foods. Durian, surstromming, hakarl, and blue cheese are also contenders. What's that old Roman saying, "in matters of taste, there can be no disputes"?

There is also Kosher cyanide but the mind boggles why that is needed.

And kosher pyridine, piperidine, thiophenol, acetone, et cetera. I used to deal with many flavor and fragrance compounds at my previous job. Some of the stuff that Millipore Sigma sells as kosher truly boggle the mind. I assume the kosher requirement is the kind of thing where you must use all kosher reagents in a synthesis to get a kosher product, so presumably they have kosher NaCN incase anyone wants to make a kosher nitrile from a kosher alkyl halide. (The irony of preparing kosher hydrogen cyanide is not lost on me.)

I used to joke, did the halal certification mean these molecules had their throats cut in the ritual manner?

 

[novaveritas]

Global fatalities have now surpassed 100,000.

Here are the top ten countries by per-capita fatalities. They make up 80% of global COVID-19-related deaths. Note that, ignoring the Strait of Dover, all but Sweden and the U.S. are part of a contiguous land mass in Western Europe.

Ireland is not contiguous, it has a sea called the Irish sea, hence it being called the island of Ireland.
but either way interesting numbers.

 

[novaveritas]

And kosher pyridine, piperidine, thiophenol, acetone, et cetera. I used to deal with many flavor and fragrance compounds at my previous job. Some of the stuff that Millipore Sigma sells as kosher truly boggle the mind. I assume the kosher requirement is the kind of thing where you must use all kosher reagents in a synthesis to get a kosher product, so presumably they have kosher NaCN incase anyone wants to make a kosher nitrile from a kosher alkyl halide. (The irony of preparing kosher hydrogen cyanide is not lost on me.)

I used to joke, did the halal certification mean these molecules had their throats cut in the ritual manner?

perhaps it is for culturally sensitive neo nazis? sick joke.

yeah I know one of the biggest players in the Kosher chemicals business. it is quite mad. They did get a contract one time for ammonium perchlorate to be kosher, to have kosher rocket motors I guess.

 

[S.J.B.]

Ireland is not contiguous, it has a sea called the Irish sea, hence it being called the island of Ireland.

Thanks for catching that. I updated my wording.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

Its because of our LOCKDOWN in nz and forced quarantine of all arrivals and banning non citizens early we have had only two deaths and are on track to eliminating covid-19. I honestly feel like we might be the only country to have a competent government that isn't trying to kill off the old people populace to save money like Europe and america. Plus our economic package for everybody is better than the rest of the world aswell. The lockdown isn't to bad i can still go outside with my dog at the park near my house the government paying everybody $500 + a week subsidy then their employers top that up. Covid-19 is on track to been eliminated here within a month. In the time mean time it gives me enough excuse to do as many psychedelics as i want without having to function in the world.

 

[CoastTwoCoast]

South Korea had their shit together from the start too with drive-thru tests that gives results within minutes. The U.S. is way behind. Not enough tests, ventilators, medicine or enough gear for healthcare workers to wear.

You don’t have to brag so much though @TripSitterNZ! haha

 

[S.J.B.]

South Korea reports recovered coronavirus patients testing positive again
Josh Smith, Sangmi Cha
Reuters
April 10th, 2020

SEOUL (Reuters) - South Korean officials on Friday reported 91 patients thought cleared of the new coronavirus had tested positive again.

Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC), told a briefing that the virus may have been “reactivated” rather than the patients being re-infected.

...

The KCDC’s Jeong raised the possibility that rather than patients being re-infected, the virus may have been “reactivated”.

Kim also said patients had likely “relapsed” rather than been re-infected.

False test results could also be at fault, other experts said, or remnants of the virus could still be in patients’ systems but not be infectious or of danger to the host or others.

Read the full story here.

 

[novaveritas]

Its because of our LOCKDOWN in nz and forced quarantine of all arrivals and banning non citizens early we have had only two deaths and are on track to eliminating covid-19. I honestly feel like we might be the only country to have a competent government that isn't trying to kill off the old people populace to save money like Europe and america. Plus our economic package for everybody is better than the rest of the world aswell. The lockdown isn't to bad i can still go outside with my dog at the park near my house the government paying everybody $500 + a week subsidy then their employers top that up. Covid-19 is on track to been eliminated here within a month. In the time mean time it gives me enough excuse to do as many psychedelics as i want without having to function in the world.

OK that's great for the 5 or 6 people who live in NZ, 3 of whom are related to each other.

How are you going to prevent re-introduction or is NZ plan to wall itself off from the world indefinitely? Its not as if NZ islands have a functional independent economy that can maintain 21C standards of living.
FFS you cant even get parkerizing solution in NZ for preserving metals because of the NZ govt saying cos chemicals, chemicals are bad mkay.

In order for the coronastupidity to go away you need testing. Testing that works. That way you know what percentage of your population has been infected what the IFR is etc.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

OK that's great for the 5 or 6 people who live in NZ, 3 of whom are related to each other.

How are you going to prevent re-introduction or is NZ plan to wall itself off from the world indefinitely? Its not as if NZ islands have a functional independent economy that can maintain 21C standards of living.
FFS you cant even get parkerizing solution in NZ for preserving metals because of the NZ govt saying cos chemicals, chemicals are bad mkay.

In order for the coronastupidity to go away you need testing. Testing that works. That way you know what percentage of your population has been infected what the IFR is etc.

Your totally wrong lol. We might be one of the few countries in the world who could survive with a independent economy. We produce so much surplus of food. We produce tons of chemicals to be used in industries. Our land area is way bigger than alot of countries in europe aswell. We have the highest rate per 1000 people of testing for covid-19 in the world. All borders will be closed ti covid-19 is gone from the world. NZ is way more advanced and stable than any other western country.

Considering we have tons of parkerzing solution aswell i personally have some in the shed so lmao?

 

[novaveritas]

South Korea reports recovered coronavirus patients testing positive again
Josh Smith, Sangmi Cha
Reuters
April 10th, 2020

Read the full story here.

I am aware some coronaviruses can stay sort of dormant in the back of the throat without really causing problems or symptoms,
Then again it is also very likely that PCR also false negatives, we know it false positives at an unacceptable rate in certain labs, and swab or sample technique can make false negatives just as easily.
In fact that is the big elephant in the room, evidence suggests the gold standard tests are not all th golden they are gold plated tungsten at best or a gold leaf coated turd in the worst situation.

 

[JessFR]

I am aware some coronaviruses can stay sort of dormant in the back of the throat without really causing problems or symptoms,
Then again it is also very likely that PCR also false negatives, we know it false positives at an unacceptable rate in certain labs, and swab or sample technique can make false negatives just as easily.
In fact that is the big elephant in the room, evidence suggests the gold standard tests are not all th golden they are gold plated tungsten at best or a gold leaf coated turd in the worst situation.

Yeah. It seems highly unlikely that people are actually being reinfected, especially not this soon.

It seems much more likely they just hadn't fully recovered to start with. In spite of what the tests may have indicated.

 

[novaveritas]

Your totally wrong lol. We might be one of the few countries in the world who could survive with a independent economy. We produce so much surplus of food. We produce tons of chemicals to be used in industries. Our land area is way bigger than alot of countries in europe aswell. We have the highest rate per 1000 people of testing for covid-19 in the world. All borders will be closed ti covid-19 is gone from the world. NZ is way more advanced and stable than any other western country.

haha good you believe it, so what is NZ plan? what is NZ plan when the meth runs out? Covid 19 is going endemic mark my words. so NZ is going to be isolated for a very long time.

I admit am somewhat sceptical of your claims regarding the prowess of the NZ chemical industry, based on my interactiosn, if that is the case why so the universities have to beg reagents and solvents from outside? Why is it impossible for univerisites in NZ to source thionyl chloride?

highest rate per 1000 people, is that because NZ only has 1000 people?

Ok granted NZ is bigger than Andorra and Monaco and has a bigger chemical industry than both of those combined but lets play apples to apples...

The NZ plan you have outlined cannot be the real plan, at least I hope not!

 

[novaveritas]

Yeah. It seems highly unlikely that people are actually being reinfected, especially not this soon.

It seems much more likely they just hadn't fully recovered to start with. In spite of what the tests may have indicated.

agreed, I think immunity is probably good for at least 6 months probably much more but that is a wild guess based on the original SARS seroprevalence 11 years on, which has also been picked up in China now so that is something like 16 years plus on from SARS.
I was going to post about IgG and immunity passports, and the perverse incentives to catch corona or game the testing to get a passport but I haven't go the time at the moment.

 

[atara]

I may as well take this opportunity to predict that Gates's vaccine project won't conclude any time soon and the real treatments of interest are remdesivir, lopinavir, favipiravir, and umifenovir.

And not a moment too soon:

Data on 53 Patients Treated With Investigational Antiviral Remdesivir Through the Compassionate Use Program Published in New England Journal of Medicine

Data on 53 Patients Treated With Investigational Antiviral Remdesivir Through the Compassionate Use Program Published in New England Journal of Medicine

www.gilead.com

 

[CoastTwoCoast]

South Korea reports recovered coronavirus patients testing positive again
Josh Smith, Sangmi Cha
Reuters
April 10th, 2020

Read the full story here.

Even with that, they’re still doing light years better than the U.S.

It seems to me they relapsed. I think that’s the case, not faulty testing. No one knows how long they will stay immune to it even if they already had it.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

haha good you believe it, so what is NZ plan? what is NZ plan when the meth runs out? Covid 19 is going endemic mark my words. so NZ is going to be isolated for a very long time.

I admit am somewhat sceptical of your claims regarding the prowess of the NZ chemical industry, based on my interactiosn, if that is the case why so the universities have to beg reagents and solvents from outside? Why is it impossible for univerisites in NZ to source thionyl chloride?

highest rate per 1000 people, is that because NZ only has 1000 people?

Ok granted NZ is bigger than Andorra and Monaco and has a bigger chemical industry than both of those combined but lets play apples to apples...

The NZ plan you have outlined cannot be the real plan, at least I hope not!

Thionyl chloride is stocked by all universities and is used in organic chemistry teaching labs. Gangs have enough meth stockpiled here to last for years not to mention alot of meth is still produced here aswell. You have no idea what happens in New zealand. Universities are well stocked here. New zealand produces all solvents locally. But international trade is not locked down its international travel. We have a population near 5 million. NZ was built on a independent industrial economy that then became open to the world. We can produce anything we need here if it comes to it.

 

[JessFR]

Even with that, they’re still doing light years better than the U.S.

Who isn't?

But come on, with Trump in charge, fighting with his own experts, getting states to fight with each other...

Not to mention telling people how very soon the virus would just disappear like a miracle.

What else can you expect?

I remember reading a quote, I forget who said it, shortly after trump was elected. That basically went "pray to god there isn't a disaster in the next 4 years".

No such luck.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Check this out...

Tackling COVID-19 with the help of the virus that causes kennel cough in dogs

Scientists have been using viruses to deliver gene therapies or vaccines. Now, researchers at the University of Iowa and the University of Georgia are suggesting the virus that causes kennel cough in dogs could be used in the construct of vaccines against COVID-19.

www.fiercebiotech.com

Sounds analogous to cow pox being used to vaccinate against smallpox.

 

[novaveritas]

And not a moment too soon:

Data on 53 Patients Treated With Investigational Antiviral Remdesivir Through the Compassionate Use Program Published in New England Journal of Medicine

Data on 53 Patients Treated With Investigational Antiviral Remdesivir Through the Compassionate Use Program Published in New England Journal of Medicine

www.gilead.com

you do know Gilead completely gamed the trial right? Take a look at the protocol inclusion criteria exclusion criteria. then think through what skew Gilead delaying agrement to treat for 24 to 48 hrs has on selecting intent to treat patients (clue dead patients can't enrol) in terms of trial correctness.

 

[novaveritas]

Even with that, they’re still doing light years better than the U.S.

It seems to me they relapsed. I think that’s the case, not faulty testing. No one knows how long they will stay immune to it even if they already had it.

no they were cleared negative by test according to reports. That is the very definition of faulty testing. If they relapsed then virus was by definition present all the time, the test didn't see it. There is of course the possibility that the last test was false positive. again test failure. I think when the whole thing is analysed we will find at least 5%-10% false positive over all samples, these are people without corona who the test lies and says they are positive, and roughly the same where the test false negatives, these are people with corona who the test lies and says negative. Of course there are more people without corona than with corona so the false positive is the worse of the two in impact. But false negative allows infectious people out to spread corona.