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Election 2020 The 2020 Candidates: Right, Left and Center!

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For those talking about abstaining if it is Biden-Trump, it's always your choice. Many who voted for Trump were simply voting against Hillary. Consider which is the worst future for you and use your vote to avoid that, maybe?
 
Also... If you choose not to vote, you're still as responsible for which ever outcome you get as if you had voted.

Now hey, that may be only choice you could make in good conscience. It's perfectly valid a choice to choose that you can't be a part of it and will let whatever happens happen.

My point is though that not choosing is still a choice. One you are no more or less responsible for the outcome than had you voted for a particular candidate.

In my view there is no such thing as truly not making a choice.
 
Never fail until you stop trying.

It's how you stand up and move forward.

Personally, I would like to vote in the Pizza Party instead of Dem's and Rep's. 😁

But we are hanging on. 👍🏼💙
 
One of Bernie's biggest weaknesses is he is not willing to use this kind of shit against Biden, even though Biden would gladly do it to him. He considers it a personal attack and is determined to keep everything based on their records...

Good lord...Trump is gonna have his way with Joe from June til November...
 
Hmm what to believe. Ol Panderin Joe



Since when do you give a shit about lying. You've made the case to me more times than I can count that the endless lies trumps been caught in don't really matter. That all politicians lie and that all that matters is what they actually do in government.
 
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One of Bernie's biggest weaknesses is he is not willing to use this kind of shit against Biden, even though Biden would gladly do it to him. He considers it a personal attack and is determined to keep everything based on their records...

Good lord...Trump is gonna have his way with Joe from June til November...

It's unfortunately a weakness in cutthroat politics, but it's a character strength as a person.
 
Yeah for the greater good he probably should, it doesn't make me respect him less though. Like yeah it's shit, but that's the game, maybe suck it up because it's important you get a chance to be president? I dunno.
 
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Jesse Jackson endorses Bernie Sanders

by Lisa Lerer | The New York Times | 8 March 2020

The Rev. Jesse Jackson endorsed Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont for president on Sunday, offering support that the senator and his team hope will rally black voters to their side ahead of a make-or-break Democratic primary race in Michigan.

“With the exception of Native Americans, African-Americans are the people who are most behind socially and economically in the United States, and our needs are not moderate,” Mr. Jackson, a longtime civil rights activist and presidential candidate in 1984 and 1988, said in a statement. “A people far behind cannot catch up choosing the most moderate path.”

“The Biden campaign has not reached out to me or asked for my support,”
he added. “The Sanders campaign has, and they responded to the issues I raised.”

Speaking before thousand of voters gathered in this Western Michigan city, Mr. Sanders lavished praise on Mr. Jackson, citing his insurgent bid for the White House in 1988, when he became a leading candidate before ultimately losing to Gov. Michael Dukakis of Massachusetts.

“It is one of the honors of my life to be supported by a man who has put his life on the line for the last 50 years fighting for justice,” he told a largely white crowd of thousands gathered for an outdoor rally. “Everything that Jesse Jackson said is what this campaign is about.”

Mr. Sanders has cast his two presidential campaigns in the lineage of Mr. Jackson’s 1988 presidential bid, telling advisers in 2015 that he hoped to model his 2016 operation after that effort. Political contemporaries, the two septuagenarian liberal activists are longtime allies: In 1988, Mr. Sanders, then the mayor of Burlington, Vt., was slapped by an “irate citizen” after supporting Mr. Jackson in the state’s caucuses.

Michigan’s caucuses that year marked a high point for Mr. Jackson’s campaign. He beat Mr. Dukakis in the state by building support among black voters and liberal white caucusgoers — a similar coalition to the one Mr. Sanders hopes to rally when the state votes in its primary on Tuesday.

Mr. Sanders hopes that by beating former Vice President Joe Biden in this Midwestern state, he can reclaim ground in the presidential race after losing a majority of states on Super Tuesday largely on the weakness of his support among black voters. Michigan has emerged as a pivotal moment for his campaign, as the race moves into a series of delegate-rich primaries in Southern and Rust Belt states that are expected to be less favorable ground for Mr. Sanders.

Yet as he has campaigned across the state, he has drawn overwhelmingly white audiences, raising questions about whether his effort is breaking through with black voters who make up a significant share of the primary electorate. At a Saturday night town-hall-style event in Flint, Mr. Sanders largely ceded the stage to African-American activists who attacked Mr. Biden’s record on criminal justice and on housing policies that they argue devastated communities of color in places like that predominantly black city.

“We are going to do everything humanly possible to wipe out all forms of discrimination in the country,” said Mr. Sanders, painting his campaign as a continuation of the “rainbow coalition” coined by Mr. Jackson. “We are sick and tired of systemic racism in America.”

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In Ann Arbor on Sunday evening, Mr. Sanders was introduced by Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, who said voters on Tuesday must vote to continue the liberal movement started by Mr. Jackson in 1984.

“A rainbow coalition to fight for racial justice, for economic justice, for human rights and politics like that has always been deemed unelectable in this country,” she told more than 10,000 people gathered on the campus of the University of Michigan. “Michigan and Ann Arbor, on Tuesday this is our moment.”

Mr. Sanders said the young, liberal congresswoman represented the “arc of justice” along with Mr. Jackson.

As Mr. Sanders traveled across Michigan, Mr. Biden was also picking up support from prominent black officials. Senator Kamala Harris of California endorsed him on Sunday morning, becoming the latest of his former rivals for the Democratic nomination to get behind his presidential bid.

 
I get the feeling not a lot of people on here support Biden. I certainly don't.
Many people will vote for Biden "to try and stop Trump" even if they expose themselves as massive partisan hypocrites in the process. "I won't vote for an alleged rapist but I will vote for a proven child molester. I won't vote for someone who the media tells me is racist but I'll vote for Biden who lied about fighting for the rights of black people." Biden also uttered this amazing Freudian:



Since when do you give a shit about lying. You've made the case to me more times than I can count that the endless lies trumps been caught in don't really matter. That all politicians lie and that all that matters is what they actually do in government.
WRONG. The severity of the lies matter. I find it funny that people get so mad at Trump for lying about stuff that doesn't matter (most of the time). I have called Trump out for legitimately lying though, although most of the time I don't think that he purposefully lies I think he just talks too much and makes mistakes. Biden is more of a conniving politician. But yes I do agree that actions are more important than words. Here Biden is lying about his actions (fighting for civil rights).

It's unfortunately a weakness in cutthroat politics, but it's a character strength as a person.
Sanders refusing to stand up for himself when the DNC unlawfully screwed him over back in 2016 was not a strength, it was cowardice. He's scared of the establishment and he's not true to his word. He could've fixed things by now if he spoke up back then, yet he chose not to and is still duping people to vote for him 4 years later. The only heroes in that story were Seth Rich (a Bernie Bro who allegedly leaked the DNC's files to Wikileaks) and Jared + Elizabeth Beck, who actually took the DNC to court to sue them for defrauding Sanders' donors who assumed the DNC was acting impartially. I was so surprised that Democrat voters didn't wholly support the Becks in what they were doing, in fact they were actually attacked by Democrats for daring to hold the DNC accountable. So I have ZERO sympathy for Democrats and the situation that they find themselves in.
 
Oh man lol...


^^Just coming to share that. Same event, diff camera



According to NYT, this is a manipulated video. Apparently, what Biden said was, “[w]e can only re-elect Donald Trump if in fact we get engaged in this circular firing squad here. It’s got to be a positive campaign”. The video in question cuts the quote short and, assuming that quote is accurate, is clearly a misrepresentation of what Biden was saying.
 
I'd like to see the original video because they will call anything "doctored" these days.
It's also funny when they need to fact-check videos that are super obviously edited.
 
I'd like to see the original video because they will call anything "doctored" these days.
It's also funny when they need to fact-check videos that are super obviously edited.

As you wish, here is the video. 9.58 is the start of the clip shared by TLB and yourself. There's no question that the clip you shared cuts Biden short and substantially alters the sense of what he said. NYT has correctly reported the quote.

I'm curious, given that the video is "super obviously edited", did you take it to be an accurate representation of Biden's statement at the rally? If you did not, why did you post it here? If you did take it to be an accurate representation, why is it amusing that the media needs to fact-check videos that people like yourself will share without bothering to fact-check? Aren't you (and Trump) part of the problem here?
 
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That Biden video wasn't obviously edited at all. I was referring to the obvious ones for eg. the one Bloomberg posted of the debate where there was a long silence and the sound of crickets layered over the audio. Anyone with more than one brain cell could tell that it was edited (and a joke) but the MSM made sure to clear up any confusion.

And to answer your question: no.
Biden's campaign is doomed already and I'm sure there will be many more (unedited) gaffes to come.
 
That Biden video wasn't obviously edited at all. I was referring to the obvious ones for eg. the one Bloomberg posted of the debate where there was a long silence and the sound of crickets layered over the audio. Anyone with more than one brain cell could tell that it was edited (and a joke) but the MSM made sure to clear up any confusion.

In that case, I misunderstood the reference.

And to answer your question: no.

Which question? Are you saying that you didn't take the clip to be an accurate representation of Biden's statement of the rally? (If that is the case, why did you share the clip in this thread?) Or are you saying that you are not part of the problem with respect to the dissemination of clips which misrepresent the truth?
 
I thought the clip was accurate as it sounds like something Biden would say (there are unedited videos of him saying much worse).

And no I am not part of the problem. If anything I disseminate more truth than anyone here.
 
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