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"Reckless claims by anonymous intelligence officials that Russia is “helping” Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) are deeply irresponsible. So was former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s calculated decision Tuesday to repeat this unsubstantiated accusation on the debate stage in South Carolina. Enough is enough. I am calling on all presidential candidates to stop playing these dangerous political games and immediately condemn any interference in our elections by out-of-control intelligence agencies."

Tulsi is the only Dem I'd support to beat Trump and the DNC royally f**ked her over. She destroyed Kamala with the truth and then they subverted the process in order to deny her the ability to debate again and roast the other snivelling candidates. And now look who managed to worm his way onto the debate stage - Michael Bloomberg. So the candidate that the DNC is pushing is basically like another Donald Trump but worse. He only became a Democrat a couple years ago. He's also got some serious NDAs signed by women that could #MeToo him later.
 
Almost 50% - crikey

South Carolina is an extremely rural, conservative state. the black population is almost all Democrat but still extremely religious and quite conservative compared to the party as a whole.

the mainstream media is trying to say that demographic is representative of the entire black population. Conveniently forgetting about Bernie winning the minority vote in Nevada and currently leads Biden in several national polls...
 
Even if Bernie does somehow win, does anyone actually expect him to implement his plans? He's just another lying, swamp politician. Even Trump who was a wild outsider eventually came to heel before the deep state. And we know for a fact that Bernie tows the line far more than Trump.

I mean... yeah, I do. He'll at least try. Trump may have been an outsider, but Trump is in it for Trump. Nothing I have seen suggest Bernie is in it for Bernie. So if the swamp ends up heeling him in, I'll be disappointed, but at least I think he'll try.
 
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So if the swamp ends up heeling him in, I'll be disappointed, but at least I think he'll try.
He’ll try harder than Trump.
I think the coronavirus response illustrates what sheer contempt for government looks like, and that none of the Democratic candidates would deny science or expert advice. And that’s a good thing.
And the idea that Trump isn’t beholden to special interests is a joke. Like the NRA, for instance.
 
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There are already leaks of back room deals and coordination between Biden/Mayo Pete.

Warren has less of a chance than Pete but is staying in. (So Bernie wont run away w/Cali)

Amy has even less hope, yet remains in for the sole purpose of taking delegates away in Minnesota. (Where only Amy and Bernie appear viable)
 
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Amy has even less hope, yet remains in for the sole purpose of taking delegates away in Minnesota.
She might have some local issues to deal with...


Amy Klobuchar cancels rally as protesters disrupt event
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) canceled a campaign rally in St. Louis Park in her home state Sunday night after it was disrupted by protesters shouting "Black Lives Matter" and "Free Myon" at the event.

The big picture: The protest was "in support of Myon Burrell, convicted of killing a teenager several years ago, for which he maintains his innocence," WCCO journalist Jeff Wagner notes. "Klobuchar was the county attorney during Burrell's first trial." Klobuchar's campaign manager Justin Buoen told reporters he's "very disappointed about what happened tonight."

Go deeper: Amy Klobuchar on the issues, in under 500 words
 
I read through the Myon Burrell case a bunch of times and it seems like the most tangential thing you could ever attack someone with. Prosecutors don't actually convict defendants, and Klobuchar wasn't even that involved in the case:


In a telephone interview Friday night Daniel Guerrero, a lawyer for Mr. Burrell who has represented him since 2017, said that while he believed the authorities could have more rigorously followed up on leads and alibis, he did not think, based on his review, that Ms. Klobuchar had done “anything specifically wrong.”

“I don’t think she had much to do with the case,” he said, noting that line prosecutors had handled it. “She stepped back and let them do what they were doing.”

“The one thing I would say about Senator Klobuchar is that I wish she would stop citing the Edwards case as an example of her being aggressive prosecutor,” Mr. Guerrero added. “Though certainly tragic that an 11-year-old girl died, it’s equally as bad that a 16-year-old boy was likely wrongfully convicted and sentenced to a life term in the face of an aggressive and often short sighted prosecution."

Mr. Guerrero said that his client had already appealed his conviction several times and that “at this point we would have to bring in evidence of actual innocence” to get the case back into court. “We’re still investigating and hoping to get a wrongly convicted individual out,” he said.


Furthermore, the case has gone to appeal multiple times and the conviction was upheld -- with no action from Klobuchar. Was it a bad idea to talk about it? Yeah. It's lurid and exploitative to bring up the Edwards case in the first place regardless of whether we agree with the verdict. But that's the kind of circus act the public likes.

You want to attack Klobuchar on policy, fine. On things she actually did, sure. But because an office she oversaw made one mistake in eight years? What's the standard here, exactly? Nobody who has ever been a prosecutor can be President?

Bonus points:

"Ms. Klobuchar ran the Hennepin County attorney’s office from 1999 through 2006 and oversaw Mr. Burrell’s first trial, conviction and sentencing in 2003. That conviction was eventually reversed by the Minnesota Supreme Court, which found that a key statement made by Mr. Burrell should not have been used in the trial; Ms. Klobuchar was succeeded by Mike Freeman, the current Hennepin County attorney, who oversaw a second trial for Mr. Burrell, in which he was also convicted and sentenced to life in prison, officials said. Mr. Burrell was 16 at the time of the shooting and is now 33. "

I believe in due process, but as an individual, if ill-gotten evidence seems to show someone's guilt, it lowers my sympathy threshold. Furthermore, the alibi everyone's talking about was in the news during the second trial in 2008:


Was the conviction wrong? Maybe. Klobuchar's fault? Doesn't look like it.

Now, was the sentence wrong? Abso-fuckin'-lutely. Life in prison for a 16 year old for involvement in a gang murder is downright ridiculous. But nobody's willing to open that can of worms...
 
It's gonna be really sad and boring to watch another centrist lose to Trump.
I think all bets are off regarding who the candidate will be at this point. Clearly there are establishment folks who aren’t interested, but there also are people who are really passionate about Bernie, so we’ll see.
And with a Supreme Court nominee on the line, I’m guessing that the anti-Trump sentiment will prevail if Bernie is the nominee.
Hang in there RBG!
 
Even if Bernie does somehow win, does anyone actually expect him to implement his plans? He's just another lying, swamp politician. Even Trump who was a wild outsider eventually came to heel before the deep state. And we know for a fact that Bernie tows the line far more than Trump.

Of course he won't implement them, or if he does they'll get teared down by the next administration.

But that's not the point... The point is... He's not trump ;)

Honestly the more people talk about the "deep state" the more I think it's code for "responsible people trying to keep idiot politicians from breaking things" and that I'm actually on their side.
 
The deep state are the ones responsible for people blaming Obama for wars like Libya and Syria.

In terms of breaking things, especially the bodies of babies overseas, Trump has done quite well to constrain any foreign interventions.
 
It could be a safe bet to say it won't be Sanders

Democratic Leaders Willing to Risk Party Damage to Stop Bernie Sanders

This is just another Bernie smear from the establishment, or else a report on that very thing. I take this to mean Bernie won't be the candidate. However I am nervous since they are indeed trying to prevent it. I don't think it will happen so easily this time around though, people are wise to it because of 2016 and the amount of pushback from the people will be much more intense if it happens, if Bernie is clearly the winner and they steal it.
 
Bernie Sanders’s Scandinavian fantasy

WaPo is usually a paywall, but you can read the whole article via incognito browsing.

It's worth the read, but rather than selectively quote paragraphs (too many worth keeping, IMO) here are some key points as Sanders looks to Norway, Sweden, and Denmark as examples of successful socialism:

  • (Bernie Says) “Billionaires should not exist.” But Sweden and Norway both have more billionaires per capita than the United States — Sweden almost twice as many. They pass down inheritence with no tax, Denmark has 15%, the US currently has 4th highest rate in the industrialized world at 40%.
  • Sanders' version of socialism 'tanked the Swedish economy'. Sweden did not create a single net new job from 1970 to 1995. By mid 2000's, Sweden cut it's gov't by a third and emerged from its economic slump.
  • Market reforms across Northern Europe focused on key changes to the model: "ensuring employers had the flexibility to hire and fire workers easily, without excessive regulation or litigation."
  • Denmark had to stay extremely open, erecting no barriers to free trade, to gain access to markets abroad and keep their local companies competitive. When looking across Northern Europe today, one finds many innovative market-friendly policies such as educational vouchers, health-care deductibles and co-pays, and light regulatory burdens. None of these countries, for example, has a minimum wage.
  • Its true the countries have a generous safety net, but it is funded disproportionately by taxing the poor, middle, and upper middle class. Denmark taxes at 55.9% on anyone making 1.3 time the average income. For the US, that would be anyone above $65k. This is in comparison to the highest tax rate in the US currently being 43.7% applied to income 9.3 time the national average (over $500k).
  • Biggest hit is to the poor and middle classes, by way of the national sales tax (Value-Added Tax, VAT) of 25%. For these countries, 20% of all taxes come from this. In the US, average sales tax is 6.6% and only accounts for 8% of national revenue.
  • One final statistic: A 2008 OECD report found that the top 10 percent in the United States pay 45 percent of all income taxes, while the top 10 percent in Denmark pay 26 percent and in Sweden 27 percent. Among wealthy countries, the average is 32 percent. In the US, the top 10% pay a vastly greater share of the country's taxes compared to those in Europe.
 
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