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The Democrats are apparently terrified of Bernie as the nominee or very unsure of Biden. I’m still a little surprised at the DNC.

The committee is eliminating the donor threshold, which had functionally barred Bloomberg from the stage.

The Democratic National Committee is drastically revising its criteria to participate in primary debates after New Hampshire, doubling the polling threshold and eliminating the individual donor requirement, which could pave the way for former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg to make the stage beginning in mid-February.

Candidates will need to earn at least 10 percent in four polls released from Jan. 15 to Feb. 18, or 12 percent in two polls conducted in Nevada or South Carolina, in order to participate in the Feb. 19 debate in Las Vegas. Any candidate who earns at least one delegate to the national convention in either the Iowa caucuses or New Hampshire primary will also qualify for the Nevada debate.

The new criteria eliminate the individual-donor threshold, which was used for the first eight debates, including next week's debate in New Hampshire. Bloomberg, the self-funding billionaire, has refused to take donations from other individuals, which has thus far precluded his participation in any of the debates since he joined the race late last year.

“Now that the grassroots support is actually captured in real voting, the criteria will no longer require a donor threshold,” said Adrienne Watson, a DNC spokeswoman. “The donor threshold was appropriate for the opening stages of the race, when candidates were building their organizations, and there were no metrics available outside of polling to distinguish those making progress from those who weren’t.”

As of Friday, the three candidates who have met the Nevada polling thresholds are Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, according to POLITICO's tracking of public polling. The other candidates, including Bloomberg, have not yet cleared the polling threshold.

Four candidates who are slated to participate in next week’s debate — Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar, Andrew Yang and Tom Steyer — have also not yet hit the new polling threshold.


The new rules do, however, open the door for Bloomberg to participate after New Hampshire. Previously, the donor threshold had proved an insurmountable barrier for Bloomberg, who did not want to alter his promise to never accept campaign contributions — which he touts in promoting what he says is his independence from special interests.

But Warren and other liberal supporters argued Bloomberg needs a proper vetting, particularly since his media company has been instructed not cover the Democratic primary. Some have urged the DNC to reconsider its rules to allow him to participate, and Warren has also been critical of a nondisclosure agreement women at his company signed that bar them from discussing legal claims they filed. She believes they should be released from the gag order.

“We are thrilled that voters could soon have the chance to see Mike Bloomberg on the debate stage, hear his vision for the country and see why he is the strongest candidate to defeat Donald Trump and bring our country together,” Bloomberg’s campaign manager Kevin Sheekey said in a statement following the announcement.

The now-eliminated donor threshold was controversial when it was rolled out last year. Campaigns charged that the threshold forced them to divert resourcesinto collecting donors instead of investing in field work.

But the donor threshold was rarely what determined whether candidates made the stage. The only candidate to hit a polling threshold for a debate but not qualify, due to not hitting the donor threshold, has been Bloomberg. In every other case, excluded candidates have either hit neither or just the donor threshold by the time qualification closes.

And some argue that requiring a donor threshold in the early stages of the primary was valuable. “I think it was really important for campaigns — but also for donors — for getting people active early on … and making sure they were involved earlier than in previous elections,” Erin Hill, the executive director of ActBlue, told POLITICO. “It made sure all sorts of candidates were building grassroots programs.”

Not everyone is thrilled that Bloomberg — who has hit 10 percent in only one of the requisite four polls released so far — could be on stage after the donor threshold was eliminated.

“To now change the rules in the middle of the game to accommodate Mike Bloomberg, who is trying to buy his way into the Democratic nomination, is wrong,” Jeff Weaver, a senior adviser to Sanders, told POLITICO as the rules were being announced.
 
I don't understand why Bloomberg wants to highlight the fact that he doesn't take donations. Are we supposed to flattered by the idea of him bankrolling his own stupid campaign, like maybe he'll burn a billion dollars for public office again like he did in New York?
 
I also don't see how you could be confused on why they are suspect of bidens chances.
 
I've been enjoying some of the discourse on the drug issue during this primary campaign. The "anti-establishment wing" (Sanders, Yang, Gabbard) have been advocating for very, generally-speaking, progressive positions re: drug laws & criminal justice reform. It's good to see the more HR-aligned philosophy of substance abuse as public health issue rather than something to be addressed by the criminal justice system

Sanders positions are more conservative than my own on the topic, I would go farther than he would go probably, but I definitely like some of it, like legalizing marijuana within 100 days by executive action etc
 
I also don't see how you could be confused on why they are suspect of bidens chances.
I’m not confused. Nationally he’s still the frontrunner. Whatever my personal opinion is, Biden has the best name recognition, is a moderate, and old people like him. Old people vote.
Sanders is surging, don’t get me wrong, but Biden is the safer bet.
It’s an interesting race as things stand.
 
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I've been enjoying some of the discourse on the drug issue during this primary campaign. The "anti-establishment wing" (Sanders, Yang, Gabbard) have been advocating for very, generally-speaking, progressive positions re: drug laws & criminal justice reform. It's good to see the more HR-aligned philosophy of substance abuse as public health issue rather than something to be addressed by the criminal justice system

Sanders positions are more conservative than my own on the topic, I would go farther than he would go probably, but I definitely like some of it, like legalizing marijuana within 100 days by executive action etc

I think he can only have so many openly radical ideas to atattack
 
I’m not confused. Nationally he’s still the frontrunner. Whatever my personal opinion is, Biden has the best name recognition, is a moderate, and old people like him. Old people vote.
Sanders is surging, don’t get me wrong, but Biden is the safer bet.
It’s an interesting race as things stand.

1. I think Bernie has overtaken Biden in the race for front runner status. He is leading the newest NBC/WSJ poll, and is statistically tied with Biden in the CNN Poll of Polls.

2. I'm not sure name recognition means much these days. Most voters who care enough to vote during the primaries will be at least somewhat educated on the candidates. As we've seen in recent years especially, being seen as establishment and well known may actually work against you.

3. The old people vote thing is really a super flawed argument. If we assume all old people view voting as a civic responsibility and WILL vote no matter what, that kinda makes the need to appease them unnecessary. Young people on the other hand need convincing. Some of them won't bother unless they feel really strongly about it.

Is a 65 year old Democrat going to stay home after 47 years of voting because Bernie is on the ballot instead of Biden? I doubt it. Will a 20 year old stay home when they see sleepy Joe on tv trying to appeal to moderates with his old fashioned views and campaign techniques? Perhaps.
 
1. I think Bernie has overtaken Biden in the race for front runner status. He is leading the newest NBC/WSJ poll, and is statistically tied with Biden in the CNN Poll of Polls.

2. I'm not sure name recognition means much these days. Most voters who care enough to vote during the primaries will be at least somewhat educated on the candidates. As we've seen in recent years especially, being seen as establishment and well known may actually work against you.

3. The old people vote thing is really a super flawed argument. If we assume all old people view voting as a civic responsibility and WILL vote no matter what, that kinda makes the need to appease them unnecessary. Young people on the other hand need convincing. Some of them won't bother unless they feel really strongly about it.

Is a 65 year old Democrat going to stay home after 47 years of voting because Bernie is on the ballot instead of Biden? I doubt it. Will a 20 year old stay home when they see sleepy Joe on tv trying to appeal to moderates with his old fashioned views and campaign techniques? Perhaps.
All great points. I just don’t think Biden can be counted out as of yet.
This primary season has been a bit volatile, but interesting. It’s almost time for the Iowa Caucuses!
 
Iowa Democratic caucus is tomorrow!


We’re flying blind’: Democrats floored by star-crossed caucus

The cancellation of the highly anticipated Iowa poll has the party wondering what could go haywire next.

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DES MOINES, Iowa — It was a fitting coda to a star-crossed campaign — the scrapping late Saturday of the most highly-anticipated poll of Iowa caucus season.

All last week, the Democratic presidential contest had been fixed in a state of suspended animation. Campaign strategists and reporters encamped at the Des Moines Marriott and around the white tablecloths at 801 Chophouse. Caucus tourists descended on Raygun for T-shirts and local parties prepared for an orderly caucus.

Yet with three of the top five candidates — Sens. Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar — trapped in Washington for President Donald Trump’s impeachment trial for most of last week, the run-up to the caucuses had already lost much of its punch.

The stunning, last-minute cancellation of the Des Moines Register/CNN/Mediacom poll and its accompanying, hour-long CNN special deprived the political class of the 11th hour marker it was relying on to frame the final days of a campaign that is running unusually close.

“Absolutely shocking,” said Sean Bagniewski, chairman of the Polk County Democrats.

And it wasn’t just the vanished poll he was talking about. The entire run-up to the caucuses has been almost dumbfoundingly strange.

There was the campaign’s comically large field, the surprising durability of Joe Biden and Sanders and the dizzying fall of several stars (Beto O’Rourke was still on Twitter on Saturday, talking about guns: “Wake the fuck up America!”).

The hope surrounding the candidacies of several candidates of color faded into frustration. The late entrance of Michael Bloomberg — and his bombardment of Super Tuesday states with television ads — threatens to render the verdict of Iowa and the early voting states moot.

Meanwhile, the party’s 2016 nominee, Hillary Clinton, is on the sidelines, lobbing criticism at Sanders, a 2020 frontrunner.

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Debate rules changed. Caucus rules changed. Even the one thing everyone believed they could count on — John Delaney running and being overlooked — went away when the former Maryland congressman on Friday ended the campaign he began in 2017, running for more than two years only to exit three days short of the caucus. It has been unseasonably warm in Des Moines.

“Some of this wouldn’t be believable if it were in a movie,” Bagniewski said. “Impeachment taking senators away, debate rules changing, candidates dropping out, the gold standard poll breaking down at the last minute. All on top of the standard conspiracy mongering.”

He added, “We’re flying blind and no one really knows what to expect.”

Whether it is over by Super Tuesday or not until the Democratic National Convention in July, the 2020 primary will be remembered as one of the most disjointed exercises in presidential politics.

“It’s totally weird,” said Pete Giangreco, a senior adviser to Klobuchar’s campaign.

The cancellation of the Register’s poll, due to an apparent surveying mishap, was particularly cruel because of how acutely concerns about electability have shaped the campaign. The pollster, J. Ann Selzer, is a legend in Iowa. In a normal year, the poll can drive a candidate’s momentum in the final days of the race. But it was expected to factor especially large this year, when many caucus-goers remain undecided and are still searching for cues about which candidate might perform best in a general election against Trump.

“I don’t know that I am surprised that something got screwed up,” Laura Peters, a city planner, said as she left a Klobuchar rally shortly after news the poll would not be released. “I’m surprised a Selzer poll got screwed up.”

The result is that the candidates will make their closing arguments about electability without the benefit of Selzer’s late measurement.

Or, because this is Iowa in 2020, the final hours before the caucuses will devolve into something other than the somber warnings about Trump and the messages that the candidates are laboring to deliver. On Saturday, a prankster in North Liberty asked Biden for advice winning back a woman who had left him.

The reaction — to the bad jokes, to the poll’s cancellation, to the size of the field and to everything else — has been to grumble. And worry.

After watching the impeachment trial, said Chris Adcock, chairwoman of Democratic Party in Page County in southwest Iowa, “We know what we’re up against.”

“It’s really heavy, really heavy,” she said. “Oh, my God. It just sucks.”

Driving home from a gathering of Democrats late Saturday night, Adcock praised Selzer for pulling the poll — which was apparently marred by an interviewer error — but predicted Republicans would “spin it” to cast the caucus as “illegitimate and untrustworthy.”

On Sunday, armies of campaign workers prepared to canvas neighborhoods across the state. But this, too, will not occur without external forces interfering. The Super Bowl is playing on the final full day of campaigning before the caucuses, and the Kansas City Chiefs have a substantial following here.

Speaking to a large crowd inside a junior high school gymnasium in Des Moines on Saturday night, Klobuchar appealed to her supporters to “volunteer in those precious two days we have left and make calls — maybe not during the Super Bowl, but make calls.”

And in the sweltering room, she delivered a line about the stakes of the election that, in some other contexts, could seem entirely out of Democrats’ control.

“My profound advice is this,” she said. “We’d better not screw this up.”
 
It appears to me that Biden is riding the old DNC, carried on the wave of how things have been and he was a part of it (VP for Obama). But he isn't really offering anything new to anyone. He's the 'safe' Dem bet to return to 'normal' after Trump.

Conversely, Bernie is offering a radical 'something different' and is therefore gaining a lot of support. It is tough for me to tell how much of his support is by increasingly vocal extremists (not meant in a bad way, just not 'traditional Dem values), vs an actual shift of the entire base towards his platform. It's easy to see why the DNC is afraid of him, he'd tear down their traditional position and move it, most likely leaving the stalwarts of the infrastructure behind unless they bent to his direction. I just don't know if Bernie has the public support. It feels to me like he has more public support than Biden.

I can't see any of the others remaining as a legitimate candidate. None have the 'star power' or pull with the public. Warren made a strong 'also ran', primarily by being propped up by media, but she never had the substance underneath to make it happen. All the others can't carry the nomination, and it seems like many were just testing their market value, putting 'presidential candidate' on their resume and seeing how far the public would support them overall, which hasn't been that much beyond a few small pockets of personal supporters.

I can see this narrowing to Biden-Bernie-Warren very quickly, where Warren is given some token airtime until she buckles. The real question seems to be shaping up as 'safe and uninspiring Biden' or 'really exciting Bernie, but can he get it done?'.
 
Warrens campaign died the day she chose to betray Bernie. She's off brand wannabe Bernie. There's no advantage of voting for her over Sanders.
 
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Apparently an app malfunctioned and the Iowa caucus results are still delayed as a result. And/or there are inconsistencies in the data.
Democrats can screw anything up.

The Iowa caucus was a disastrous 50-car pileup of technical failures. An app for reporting results apparently developed at great expense by the Iowa Democratic Party completely failed, and party officials didn't have a sufficient backup plan. One precinct captain was explaininghow he had been on hold with the party headquarters for over an hour to CNN's Wolf Blitzer when they abruptly answered the phone, only to hang up on him when he didn't answer fast enough. By midnight, less than 2 percent of the results were officially reported.

 
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im actually going to predict that Bernie won Iowa by much more than anyone expected. And that these technical difficulties were an attempt to take his momentum away. We got 5 different victory speeches last night instead of 1. And depending on when or if we get detailed results , these people who didn't earn it will be able to take that into the debate a Friday and Vermont.
 
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Or they're f**king with the vote tallies..

It looks hella dodgy and corrupt, if anything.
 
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