I want to point out that no one has said this lol. Most do and that’s what’s been stated.
Idk why you’d ever feel bad for anyone clean though. It’s understood that most are using so pro leagues are essentially PED-open sports. If someone chooses not to use them, that’s okay. I wouldn’t feel bad though. I also wouldn’t feel bad if I was using and beat someone who wasn’t...why would I? I train how I want to and they trained how they want to. Nothing wrong with either way.
Ok, sorry then cause i was pretty sure that either you or the mod serotonin had said at one point that ''ALL athletes use PEDs'', so if i misread you then i guess that's my fault.
Well, where i'm coming from is that i am not 100 percent sure i'd feel safe taking PEDs.
I have high cholesterol which i am going to work hard to lower right now, and i have heard that some PEDs and roids raise it, and i'm not risking a heart attack to perform a bit better in martial arts, so I would feel it unfair if then i have to go against someone of equal skill, but he bests me ONLY because he did not have to worry about that health condition and thus could use his PED.
He would not have proven he was better than me, and his winning would be based on luck of the draw.
And I wonder, would you extend this as far as taking pain killers?
Cause that can't be safe for the user either to take pain killers and not feel the punches as much and risk that.
But with MMA and striking arts even more than BJJ, the risk you take is NOT only your own, because you take a PED that allows you, only along with SERIOUS training of course, to be able to punch, kick, knee and elbow your opponent in the head harder than a normal person could, and hence, put them in more danger.
And then there is the economic factor where i think it's messed up if one fighter cannot afford a PED and the other can, and their skill level is close enough that just cause the other guy has more money and can afford that PED he wins.
Ideally, i'd like to see a PED league where EVERYONE uses and a non-PED league where NO ONE uses.
Someone like you would probably say that most sports leagues already are ''PED leagues'' and you wouldn't be entirely wrong, but there are exceptions.
I would also question, how do you feel about transgender athletes like Fallon Fox who is actually a man but transitioned to a ''female'' who is now beating the pulp out of women and even broke a women's skull recently in a fight.
Would you not say that Fallon Fox is unfairly ''cheating'', despite being able to get away with being, IMO wrongfully, considered a female and able to use his brute strength on women, and if you DO see that as unfair then why would you draw the line there and not with PEDs, especially considering one of the big differences between him and the women he fights is the testosterone advantage he has?
I mean, I just think everything should be the same for everyone so that it is truly the person who has the most skill combined with the most NATURAL advantages who wins, or if someone is on a PED then it should be fine for his opponent to be on all the same ones so we truly know who the better fighter/athlete is.
I mean, it's the same reason IMO why many sports have different divisions for older men vs younger men and men vs women, because again, one of the biggest defining issues between young and old, men and women, is testosterone.
Everyone would agree that a 20 year old has an unfair advantage over a 50 year old, and everyone would agree that a man has an unfair advantage over a women, and likewise, that is why we have weight classes and everyone agrees a 200 pounder has an unfair advantage over 155er.
So we make all these distinctions, many of which i'd assume you agree with, but then NOT the PED distinction.
It's a VERY slippery slope where you could argue in the case of fallon fox that it's ok if you can trick someone that you are a man to allow you to fight a women, or that if you could deceive someone about your age or weight somehow that you could fight someone older or small and gain that advantage.
I just think that the second you start saying you are ok with breaking certain rules that at that point you can take it logically to absurdly extreme lengths and the rules are really being decided by the competitor.
I feel that if a sport has rules, then they should be followed by everyone, or else, if we disagree with those rules, then ideally their should be another league or version of the sport with the different rules that we agree with.
Obviously though, as mentioned, we won't ever have a PED league and non-PED league, though i think we should, but it is worth considering that if you are ok with breaking one rule you could in theory be ok with breaking any rule, and then all sports become meaningless.
This conversation has gotten too circular though, so I don't feel we should probably continue much longer, but i do wonder your take on the Fallon Fox thing, and why you would be cool with men and women having different divisions and their being different weight classes, but not see an issue with PED use, as i am sure you would say men should not fight women, that heavyweights should not fight light weights, and that 60 year olds should not fight 20 year olds, and in all cases it is the ''unfair advantage'' we are talking about.