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US Politics The trump impeachment thread

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Trump reportedly told associates he killed Qassem Soleimani to appease GOP senators before his impeachment trial

Sen. Lindsey Graham was the only congressional lawmaker Trump briefed about his plan to assassinate Soleimani in the days leading up to the strike.
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President Donald Trump told associates that he assassinated Iran's top military leader last week in part to appease Republican senators who'll play a crucial role in his Senate impeachment trial, The Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday.
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I feel like it's impossible to be surprised or find it hard to believe anything about Trump or the Republican party these days. or any American politicians, for the most part.
 
bolton doing what he has to to stay out of jail IS THE RIGHT THING and don't complain when we have NIXON JR with A SPENDOCRAT'S BUDGET PLAN in office, breaking ALL THE LAWS along the way.

BOLTON can you just invade Trump's mind and make him stop being such an obvious 2 faced bitch
 
I’m curious to see if the Senate actually calls witnesses. No one knows what Bolton will say, but what have Dems got to lose at this point unless there are witnesses? Or are they winning?

On the whole, I speculate that the Republicans will not risk calling witnesses and there won’t be enough Republicans to break ranks to call them. Trump will stand on their throats if he has to do so to keep witnesses out.

I hope I’m wrong, but McConnell wants to win Kentucky.

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White House reportedly expects several GOP senators to break ranks and call for witnesses in Trump's impeachment trial

The White House reportedly believes at least four Republican senators will join Democrats in calling for witnesses.
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I wish they WOULD impeach him, but they've cried wolf with it so many times.
Again, ya'll trust him to be president, but I wouldn't trust him to eat without a bib.
 
He’s already been impeached. Now comes the trial.

To the extent that there will be drama in the upcoming weeks, it will turn on John Bolton. Nobody knows whether Bolton will end up testifying. And nobody knows what he will say if he does—whether it will be “damning to the president,” as The New York Times reported that unnamed former White House officials and people close to the matter had speculated, or whether it could be helpful to Trump’s defense, as Senator John Cornyn stumped. In a time of near-perfect predictability, stemming from near-perfect polarization, Bolton is a wild card—a friend neither to Trump nor to those who oppose the president. That makes him a fascinating, if morally suspect, figure against the boredom spread out before us.

Bolton is interesting, in other words, because he is capable of surprise. Among many other things, this is what distinguishes him from the president—who, for all his antics, is brutally, ploddingly predictable. Pick a given subject and any person paying attention to the news can write his tweets for him. (Witch Hunt!) The matter for which Trump has been impeached—his efforts to extort Ukraine into providing him with negative information on the Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden—is itself a remix of the matter for which Trump was investigated by Robert Mueller. His desire to turn the apparatus of the state into a weapon against his rivals remains unchanged.

And this is the real reason the Trump impeachment trial will be boring: the president himself. There is no real doubt about how Trump will respond to the events of the trial. There will be tweets. There will be bombast. There will be cries of “Presidential Harassment,” denunciations of Nancy Pelosi, and tirades against Chief Justice John Roberts for every incremental ruling Roberts might issue that doesn’t cut his way.

For a man who catapulted the country into only its third presidential impeachment trial in almost 250 years, in other words, the president is actually pretty predictable. And his grip over the party has rendered most Republicans predictable as well, incapable of any surprise. Trump will react to impeachment precisely as one expects him to react—and the Republican Party will act as though his reactions, just like his abuses of power toward Ukraine, are normal.
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The Senate Trial Will Be Totally Predictable—With One Potential for Surprise

Prepare for peak tedium.
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Impeached doesn't meant that he will be removed from office.

You can kind of thing of an impeachment as like an indictment. It's what opens the door for there to be a trial.

Trump has already been impeached, which means the trial can begin.

Unfortunately though, there's almost no chance that the senate will convict.

But even if they did, he wouldn't go to jail. The senates power to impose punishment is limited to just removing him from office. And if he can ever run again or not.

However, once he were removed from office, he would lose the defacto protection he has against a real criminal prosecution, and so if one of those were started, that could put him in jail.

But whatever happens from this point forth, even being impeached without being removed from office is still a big black mark on his presidency.
 
A lot of people thought Bill Clinton escaped relatively unscathed from impeachment, but I’m definitely in the “disagree” camp.
Trump will be partly defined by the procedure regardless of the rest of his legacy.
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Trump 'going crazy' over impeachment legacy

Years from now, impeachment will be one of the first things students are taught about the 45th president.
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cduggles said:
A lot of people thought Bill Clinton escaped relatively unscathed from impeachment, but I’m definitely in the “disagree” camp.
Trump will be partly defined by the procedure regardless of the rest of his legacy.
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Trump 'going crazy' over impeachment legacy

Years from now, impeachment will be one of the first things students are taught about the 45th president.
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It was unfair what happened to Bill Clinton. He got a blowjob, so what? He was relentlessly trashed over and over again. His reputation was ruined.

Trump fucked a pornstar and said tons of despicable things, he's still able to carry on. He has the support of the racist idiots in this country so they let him get away with murder.

He needs more than being impeached. That's not enough. He needs to be booted out on his flabby, orange ass.
 
This article is a bit disgusting. It’s about Trump’s relationship to TV. (Trump actually thinks he has a “better” camera angle.

He scrutinizes behind-the-scenes details of his television interviews, preferring to be shot in natural light and from the right side because he likes the way his hair looks from that angle.

He cares about how the back-and-forth parrying with the White House press corps looks on TV, sometimes directing camera crews to move to the right or the left for the best shot.

He notes how his aides perform on cable shows, closely watches TV ratings — compiled each week by a staffer — and manages how official speeches and announcements will look on screen.

It’s all part of President Donald Trump merging his position as head of the executive branch with his role as executive producer of his presidency. White House aides and Trump allies are bracing for the Senate impeachment trial to put the president’s television-focused mind on full display during a memorable moment for his presidency.
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Article continues at link:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/14/trump-scripting-tv-drama-impeachment-trial-098418?cid=apn
 
It will be the politicians against aggressive litigators. The managers Pelosi names are not the most compelling people.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi named seven Democratic members of Congress as the managers to argue the case for President Trump's impeachment before the Senate, beginning next week.

Pelosi appointed Reps. Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler, Zoe Lofgren, Val Demings, Hakeem Jeffries, Sylvia Garcia and Jason Crow as impeachment managers. Pelosi said Schiff will be the lead manager.

"The emphasis is on litigators, the emphasis is on comfort level in the courtroom, the emphasis is making the strongest possible case to protect and defend our Constitution, to seek the truth for the American people," Pelosi said, explaining the choices.

The seven managers bring a diverse range of experience. Schiff and Nadler led the impeachment process in the House. Lofgren is taking part in her third impeachment; she was a staffer when the House Judiciary Committee voted out articles of impeachment against President Nixon, and a committee member during President Clinton's and Trump's impeachment. Demings is a former Orlando chief of police and is also a member of the House intelligence committee; Garcia is a former Houston municipal judge, and Crow is a former Army Ranger who served in Iraq and Afghanistan and was a co-author of a letter making the case for Congress to begin impeachment proceedings.
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Pelosi Names Impeachment Managers for Trump’s Senate Trial
 
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