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The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

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That's an encouraging sign that, in fact, the supporters are actually just a very loud minority, who make it seem like more people still support him than actually do.

I think that is absolutely the case. I think a very large number of people who voted trump, probably the majority, aren't the rabbit ultra trump types. They're the types that usually vote republican because they don't feel the democrats in general represent their interests.

They don't love trump, but they don't hate him either.

It seems likely some of them, were they to come to dislike trump, would just not vote.

Before trump was elected, most people thought he had no chance. Now people feel like there's no chance that trump could lose. I have a suspicion history may repeat itself, and trump might experience a surprise loss in the next election.

I'm not saying I think trumps done for, at this point a trump reelection is entirely plausible. But I'm mildly optimistic that he may be in for a loss. For the simple reason that, he only won by a small margin the first time.

Next election, people who would have rathered Hillary over trump, but couldn't stomach either, and who felt safe to not vote and just let Hillary win, now with 4 years of trump behind them, will make a point to come out and vote Democrat just to get rid of him.

And some of the moderates on the right who see how damaging trump is to the country, and potentially the republican party itself, may decide not to vote at all, or vote third party. (same diff :))

I just don't see trump having as much support as last time, and it would only take a small drop to knock him out.

That said, a year is a long time in politics, and if the democrats put up another widely hated person, or worse, if we had a terrorist attack, along with a few other possibilities, we could suddenly find trumps support increase markedly.

But if things just stay the same as they are now. If I had to place a bet, I'd bet trump would lose. I just wouldn't want to bet very much.
 
source: ken rury's facebook

A person asked the question, "Why are people so hostile towards President Donald Trump?"

Chris O'Leary:

Before you pass my answer off as “Another Liberal Snowflake” consider that
1.) I'm an independent centrist who has voted Republican way more often in my life than Democrat, and
2.) If you want to call someone who spent the entire decade of his 20’s serving in the Marine Corps a snowflake, I’d be ready to answer the question what did you do with your 20’s?

Why Liberals (And not-so liberals) are against President Trump.

A.) He lies. A LOT. Politifact rates 69% of the words he speaks as “Mostly False or worse” Only 17% of the things he says get a “Mostly True” or better rating. That is an absolutely unbelievable number. How he doesn’t speak more truth by mistake is beyond me. To put it in context, Obama’s rating was 26% mostly false or worse, and I had a problem with that. Many of Trump’s former business associates report that he has always been a compulsive liar, but now he’s the President of the United States, and that’s a problem. And this is a man who expects you to believe him when he points at other people and says “They’re lying”

B.) He’s an authoritarian populist, not a conservative. He advances regressive social policy while proposing to expand federal spending and federalist authority over states, both of which conservatives are supposed to hate.

C.) He pretends at Christianity to court the Religious Right but fails to live anything resembling a Christ-Like Life.

D.) His nationalist “America First” message effectively alienates us and removes us from our place as leaders in the international community.

E.) His ideas on “Keeping us safe” are all thinly veiled ideas to remove our freedoms, he is, after all, an authoritarian first. They also are simply bad ideas.

F.) He couldn’t pass a 3rd-grade civics exam. He doesn't’ know what he’s doing. He doesn't understand how international relations work, he doesn’t understand how federal state or local governments work, and every time someone tries to “Run it like a business” it’s a spectacular failure. See Colorado Springs’ recent history as an example. The Short, Unhappy Life of a Libertarian Paradise And that was a businessman with a MUCH better business track record than Trump. We are talking about a man who lost money owning a freaking gambling casino.

G.) He behaves unethicaly and always has. As a businessman, he constantly left in his wake unpaid contractors and invoices, litigation, broken promises, whatever he could get away with.

H.) He is damaging our relationships with our best international friends while kissing up to nations that do not have our best interests in mind. To his question “Wouldn't’ it be great to have better relations with Russia?” The answer is Yes. But it is RUSSIA who needs to earn that, who must stop doing the things that are damaging to that relationship, or we are simply weaker for it.

I.) He has never seen a shortcut he didn't like, and you can’t take shortcuts in government. “Nuclear Option, Remove the Filibuster, I’ll change the Constitution by Executive Order…Don…what happens when you remove the filibuster and the other side retakes the majority in the Senate? Suddenly want that filibuster back? What happens if you manage to change the Constitution by Executive Order and an Anti-2A President wins the next election?

J.) He behaves and has always behaved as an unabashed racist. Yes, I’ve seen your favorite meme that claims he was never accused of racism before the Democrats…Absolutely false. Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2019 See the Central Park 5, the lawsuits and fines resulting from his refusal to lease to black tenants, the 1992 lost appeal trying to overturn penalties for removing black dealers from tables, his remarks to the house native American affairs subcommittee in 1993. The man sees and treats racial groups of people as monoliths.

K.) He is systematically steamrolling regulations specifically designed to keep a disaster like the 2007 subprime mortgage crisis from happening again.

L.) He speaks and acts like a demagogue. He sees the Legislative and Judicial branches of government as inconveniences, blows up at criticism no matter how deserved and actively tries to countermand constitutional processes, not to mention attempts to blackmail and coerce people who are saying negative things about him

M.) His choices for top positions, with the exception of Gen. Mattis, who is a gem, have been horrendous. A secretary of Education without a resume that would get her hired as a small town grammar school principal, A secretary of Energy who didn't know the Department of Energy was responsible for nuclear reserves, an EPA head whose biggest accomplishments to date had been suing the EPA on multiple occasions, an FCC head who while working for Verizon actively lobbied to kill net neutrality, and an Attorney General who thinks pot is “nearly as bad as heroin” and asked Congress for permission to go after legal pot businesses in states where it is legal. (There goes that great Republican States rights rally cry again, right? *Crickets*) An Interim AG after Firing his First AG who’s appointment is probably unconstitutional.

N.) He denies scientific fact. Ever notice that the only people you hear denying climate change are politicians and lobbyists? 99% of actual scientists studying the issue agree that it’s real, man-made and caused by greenhouse gasses. Ever notice that every big disaster movie starts with a bunch of politicians in a room ignoring a scientist's warning?

0.) He does not have the temperament to lead this nation. He is Thin Skinned, childish, and a bully, never mind misogynistic, boorish, rude, and incapable of civil discourse.

P.) He still does not understand that the words he speaks, or tweets, are the official position of 1/3 of the US government, and so does not govern his words. He still thinks when he speaks it’s good ol’ Donald Trump. It’s not. It’s the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. You have probably spread a meme or two around talking about how no president’s every word has ever been dissected before…YES, THEY ALWAYS HAVE. It’s just that every other president in our lifetime has understood the importance of his words and took great care to govern his speech. Trump blurts out whatever comes to his mind then complains when people talk about what a dumb thing that was to say.

Q.) He’s unqualified. If you owned a small business and were looking for someone to manage it, and an unnamed resume came across your desk and you saw 6 bankruptcies, showing a man who had failed to make money running CASINOS, would you hire him? He is a very poor businessman. This is a man it has been estimated would have been worth $10 BILLION more if he’d just taken what his father had given him, invested it in Index Funds and left it alone.

R.) He is President. But he refuses to take a leadership position and understand that he is everyone’s President. Conservatives complain about liberals chanting “Not my President” while Trump himself behaves as if no one but his supporters matter.

S.) He’s a blatant hypocrite. He spent 8 years bitching Obama out for his family trips, or golfing, or any time he took for himself, and what does he do? He was already on his 20th golf outing in APRIL of his 1st year in office. He constantly rants about respect for the military, yet can’t be bothered to attend the 100th anniversary of Armistice Day because of a little rain. (And that excuse about Marine One not being able to fly in the rain is HILARIOUS.)

T.) He’s a misogynist. It's not really ok in this day and age to be a misogynist, but it’s not a huge deal if you’re a private citizen. It’s a pretty big deal if you hate half the people you’re elected to lead. The disdain for women seeps out of his …whatever…. and he just can’t hide it.

U.) Face it. In any other election “Grab Em’ By the Pussy” would have been the end of that candidate’s chances. Back in the 90’s I used to marvel about how Teflon Bill Clinton was. I no longer do. The fact that he managed to slip by on that is as much a statement about how much people hate Hillary Clinton as it is about what is wrong with politics in this country right now.

V.) He has one response to a differing opinion. Attack. A good leader listens to criticism, to different points of view, is capable of self-reflection, tries to guide people to his point of view, and when necessary stands his ground and defends his convictions. Any of that sound like Trump? His default is not to Lead, its’ to attack. Scorched Earth. The Jim Acosta reaction is a good example. There was no defense of his convictions when Acosta was asking him repeated questions about his rhetoric on the caravan. His response was to attack Acosta.

W.) He takes credit for everything positive while deflecting blame for everything negative. Look at him with the Stock Market. He’s been bragging about it since day one, and to give credit where credit is due, speculation on coming deregulation early in his presidency did fuel some rapid growth, but to pretend that it’s all him, that we’re not in the 9th year of the longest bull market in history and THEN, when the standard market volatility that deregulation inevitably brings about starts to show up? Yeah. Look at yesterday. Hey! Stock Markets losing because the Democrats won! Do I need to bring out the Stock market chart for the last 10 Years again?

X.) He emboldens the worst among us. Counter-protesters are slammed into by a car while countering actual Nazi rally, and the response is there’s fault on “Both Sides” The media is at fault for a nut job sending them and Donald’s favorite targets pipe bombs. The truth is not all Republicans, not all Trump Supporters are racist, fascist lunatics. Many are just taken in by the bombastic personality and are living in an information bubble made worse by the fact that they unfollow anyone and ignore any source of information that makes them feel uncomfortable. People on the left do that too. The Biggest problem the right has right now is that the worst of the Right is the loudest and the most in your face, and the actual right, especially the Freaking PRESIDENT needs to be standing up and saying No. Those are not our values.

Y.) He seems to think the Constitution of The United States, the document that IS who we are, the document he took an oath to support and defend is some sort of inconvenience. He demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of Constitution, from believing he can alter the 14th through executive order, to thinking The free exercise clause in the first amendment somehow supersedes the establishment clause (not that he really understands either) or that the free exercise clause only applies to Christians. Or his attacks on freedom of expression and the press. He repeatedly makes it clear that if he’s read them, he does not understand Articles 1–3, and that’s something he really should have before he took the job, because they’re not going away.

Z.) I’ll use Z for something I do blame him for, but the rest of us have to carry the blame too. Polarization. This country is more politically polarized than I can remember in my lifetime. Some of you who are a few years older than I may remember how it was in the late 60’s when construction workers in New York were being applauded for beating up hippies, I think it’s pretty close to that right now, but that was before my time. And he is the cause of much of the current level polarization, but also the result. It didn't’ start with Trump. We’ve been going down this road I think since the eruption of the Tea Party in the early years of the Obama Administration. I do hope the tide turns before it gets much worse because the thing that scares me more than anything is what if that keeps going the way it has been? "

alasdair
 
President Donald Trump ordered to pay $2M to collection of nonprofits as part of civil lawsuit

President Donald Trump has been ordered by a New York State judge to pay $2 million to a group of nonprofit organizations as part of a settlement in a civil lawsuit stemming from persistent violations of state charities laws.

The payment is the final resolution to a case brought by the New York attorney general's office after the Trump Foundation held a fundraiser for military veterans during the 2016 campaign.

The televised fundraiser took in nearly $3 million in donations that were dispersed on the eve of the Iowa caucuses as directed by then-campaign chief Corey Lewandowski.

The two million must be paid by President Trump himself for breaching his fiduciary duty to properly oversee the foundation that bears his name.

"I direct Mr. Trump to pay the $2,000,000, which would have gone to the Foundation if it were still in existence, on a pro rata basis to the Approved Recipients," Judge Saliann Scarpulla wrote.

The lawsuit filed by the state's attorney general accused President Trump -- along with his children, Donald Jr., Eric and Ivanka -- of conflating charity with politics, repeatedly using charitable donations for personal, political and business gains, including legal settlements, campaign contributions and even to purchase a portrait of Trump to hang at one of his hotels.
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if you're a trump supporter this is the guy you support - uses money that's supposed to go to charities like veterans' organizations and uses it to buy pictures of himself for one of his properties.

that's your guy.

alasdair
 
I suspect, because even his supporters recognize he says things that shouldn't be said, that don't actually merit consideration because they are idiotic, and have gotten used to such nonsense out of his mouth as 'normal' and 'acceptable', when it is in fact quite out of the ordinary (not normal) and ought not be acceptable*.


*There could be an argument made for the bar on what is acceptable having been lowered by other parties, or who lowered it when or by how much, but IMO participating in such at all only proves a poor level of decision making.

What an amazing era we live in when we simply dismiss and accept what the president says because he has a habit of making other absurd and idiotic statements. When are we to actually take him seriously?

His supporters dismiss what he says because of prejudices they hold towards certain liberal ideals. He could literally say almost anything and they would support him. We have never had a president or party that lowered the bar like Trump. There is no bar. It has been thrown in the trash. I voted for Bush twice but I am disgusted by those who now control the Republican party. I will probably never vote Republican again.
 
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but I am disgusted by those who now control the Republican party. I will probably never vote Republican again.

Do you think the Rep party will follow the path Trump is blazing, or try to pull back towards center and away from his extreme, yet seemingly randomly rooted, drivel? Personally, I'm hearing a lot of silence - not support, nor shaming, from the party on what Trump says and does - and expect it's a lot of 'oh lord, what have we wrought? and where do we go from here?'
 
Do you think the Rep party will follow the path Trump is blazing, or try to pull back towards center and away from his extreme, yet seemingly randomly rooted, drivel? Personally, I'm hearing a lot of silence - not support, nor shaming, from the party on what Trump says and does - and expect it's a lot of 'oh lord, what have we wrought? and where do we go from here?'

I suspect they will follow him into ruin. It infuriates me even more so, that they are silent. Nobody has the balls to stand up and denounce his words and actions. They have no moral spine and a growing faction are supporting and defending him. All the moderates that disagree are retiring. They are all a bunch of cowards and sycophants. They have all made a Faustian deal and are prepared to follow this loose canon where ever he leads them for political advancement. Their silence speaks volumes. I miss John McCain. If they are alarmed then I wish they would stand up and speak out
 
Even my die hard Trump loving friends seems to have shut up about him.

Unfortunately their silence is still deafeningly obvious who they are loyal to.
 
Mods - I think someone derailed from the impeachment stuff and started a string of general trump presidency stuff that might warrant moving to that other thread, if you are so inclined. Not to rat anyone out, but I think it was this guy, at this post:

Do you think the Rep party will follow the path Trump is blazing, or try to pull back towards center and away from his extreme, yet seemingly randomly rooted, drivel

If it’s left here, that’s fine, and I’ll go with the flow

I suspect a lot of Republicans are secretly hoping he'll lose next election.
And yet are so tribally partisan they can't possibly bring themselves to vote against him.

Many of the people who voted him in may not like him, and likely didn’t know him well enough. For many, it was a vote against Hillary and we take a chance on the devil we don’t know.

4y in, we know this devil better. But it may be again a vote against whomever the dems nominate. None are that appealing, though neither is trump. Pick the lesser of two perceived evils, depending on your values?
 
In other news, former attorney general Jeff Sessions is running in Alabama for his old seat. He also apparently still supports Trump.

NO FFS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ahhhhhhhh WHYYYYY

I was on cloud 9 and then I read stuff like this. Someone please take a lot of bath salts and eat Jeff Sessions face I WILL PAY YOUR LEGAL BILLS!!! Our president said it so, 1st amendment suck my dick.
 
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