TheLoveBandit
Retired Never Was, Coulda been wannabe
In regards to military spending... Trump had to fix what the Obama administration did to it. It was WEAK. Not up to standards at all. Right now, I think our military has recovered so that might be possible to reduce spending in that area somewhat.
Bernie is talking about how if we reduced our defense spending by just 4% and put that into social services we could eliminate a large portion of poverty in our country. We spend the vast majority of our budget on the military, WAY, WAY more than we do on anything else. We could spend just a small percenmtage of that on other things and we would be able to pay for all sorts of stuff. The Republicans right now are giving us the biggest yearly budget deficit in history and it's because of defense spending first, and the tax cuts to the wealthy second. The reason I am supporting some of the dems is because I think it's sensible to focus our money on things that help everyone.
As to the deficit, it'll get bigger and bigger. Doesn't matter who is in the White House and who controls which part of Congress. There has been no sign of fiscal responsibility by anyone elected that I can tell.
Your point about 4% defense spending going a long way for social services is true, I believe. And while waste does exist in the military, one can also ask how much waste there is already in social services - and how do we address that? For years under Obama, the military was told to do as much or more but with less funding. And yet, we kept our soldiers stationed across the Middle East and elsewhere...on less funding. Before Trump goes pumping money back into the military, I'd ask what is it we want to be? Are we still believing we're the global police force? Because we're not. Having that role means spending a lot more than we are and maintaining a presence in places to keep the peace which don't directly effect us that much. On the flipside, if we work at a reduced level, we have to give up a lot of that global policeman responsibility and accept people like Russia (and China at some point) will be stepping into those countries, keeping the peace and fostering their beliefs and global politics - not us. So which is it - spend and lead, or reduce spending and step out of places like Syria and Turkey? I don't have the answer, but I believe that has to be answered first before we get too far into cutting military further.
Usually Trump supporters try to tell me that Obama was doing too much with the military, not that he made the military weak. One of the biggest talking points I usually hear is that Trump is good because he is going to pull us out of our military conflicts. So this is a new one to me, that Trump is good because he increased military spending.
Fuck I can't help it... okay can you explain to me how Obama destroyed the military, and how Trump fixed it? I just haven't heard this one before.
The speaking points from the right, that I can recall off the top of my head, are that Obama weakened the military by allowing women in fighting roles, allowing gays and trans in the military, cutting spending, and tying the hands of our soldiers in how they can engage when deployed. I don't have that great of depth of understanding or recollection, so I may be wrong, but those are what I recall.
For me personally, I get the 'women in combat' thing, but I'll be honest...I'm more afraid of a pissed off woman than I am some manly man with a machine gun. It sounds cavalier and going for a joke, but I kid you not I'd take my chances against any man than against a woman pissed off and ready to die for what she believed in. I just would. As for gays and trans, if you're willing to take a bullet for your fellow soldier, here's your weapon, go get 'em. If I were a soldier, I'd have minimal concerns over sexual issues with such a person in my unit (being unattractive has its benefits) but more importantly, if someone is committed to being a team member and proves I can count on them through training, idgaf what gets you horny as long as we're aligned on what gets us to survive a mission.
The cut spending is my weakest memory. But as I mentioned above, if we're trying to play policeman around the globe, that costs money - and I know Obama preferred to help his fellow Americans at home (the economy DEMANDED it). Add to that we had a reported 6mo of waiting for Obama to green light the hit on bin Laden? That we're stationed in places like Syria, allowing the Kurds to be the ones to capture and detain people and we are what...consultants? That Obama was under pressure to eliminate Guantanamo and the like (taking away military locations and their ability to do their job). Yeah, I can see where the right believes he weakened our military.
Oddly enough, where have there been women in combat, and of those situations how many proved to be a liability? Where have gays or trans in the military proved to be an issue? Where, despite limiting our forces rules of engagement, have we actually lost soldiers or strategic resources? I'm not recalling any such headlines.