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US Politics The trump impeachment thread

I have got to say it again guys I love Donald Trump I think he's a good man with honourable intentions towards humanity who the worldwide Media loves to paint black as black. Follow the money. They absolutely loved Barack Obama's ass to high heaven just like David Cameron. When both are truly Devil incarnates, elitist puppets and nothing more for which Donald Trump certainly is not because if he was then the media would be kissing his ass equally.
 
When you look at the evidence at this point, unless you choose to believe that everyone giving testimony from multiple countries (not even just people here) is lying and is all telling the same details in their lies, there is still worth pursuing here. History will show us the truth with some perspective. I'm tired of arguing about it though. Seems like no one can speak respectfully about it anymore. it always has to be stupid this, loser that. It's pretty telling when you can't even address someone who has a different view of reality than you without insulting them.

Do you guys realize that it makes you look like assholes when you call Warren "Pocahontas"?

Also the Dems do have someone not focusing on impeachment. There's Bernie, and Buttigieg (who I was just listening to on the radio yesterday, I like his "Medicare for all who want it" approach, basically introducing national health care into the marketplace but leave the private insurance there for competition and let the market sort out which will work best). Both of them are just talking about their plans. Bernie is talking about how if we reduced our defense spending by just 4% and put that into social services we could eliminate a large portion of poverty in our country. We spend the vast majority of our budget on the military, WAY, WAY more than we do on anything else. We could spend just a small percenmtage of that on other things and we would be able to pay for all sorts of stuff. The Republicans right now are giving us the biggest yearly budget deficit in history and it's because of defense spending first, and the tax cuts to the wealthy second. The reason I am supporting some of the dems is because I think it's sensible to focus our money on things that help everyone. But I guess that makes me stupid and a loser.
 
I have got to say it again guys I love Donald Trump I think he's a good man with honourable intentions towards humanity who the worldwide Media loves to paint black as black. Follow the money. They absolutely loved Barack Obama's ass to high heaven just like David Cameron. When both are truly Devil incarnates, elitist puppets and nothing more for which Donald Trump certainly is not because if he was then the media would be kissing his ass equally.
Puppets.... Exactly right
 
Remember when people used to say this place was overrun by liberals?

Anyway Trump will be impeached in the House. Then Senate Inc. will tighten their lips around Trump's tiny orange cock and that will be that.

Puppets.... Exactly right

Says the person who parrots all of Dear Leader's phrases and talking points.
 
When you look at the evidence at this point, unless you choose to believe that everyone giving testimony from multiple countries (not even just people here) is lying and is all telling the same details in their lies, there is still worth pursuing here. History will show us the truth with some perspective. I'm tired of arguing about it though. Seems like no one can speak respectfully about it anymore. it always has to be stupid this, loser that. It's pretty telling when you can't even address someone who has a different view of reality than you without insulting them.

Do you guys realize that it makes you look like assholes when you call Warren "Pocahontas"?

Also the Dems do have someone not focusing on impeachment. There's Bernie, and Buttigieg (who I was just listening to on the radio yesterday, I like his "Medicare for all who want it" approach, basically introducing national health care into the marketplace but leave the private insurance there for competition and let the market sort out which will work best). Both of them are just talking about their plans. Bernie is talking about how if we reduced our defense spending by just 4% and put that into social services we could eliminate a large portion of poverty in our country. We spend the vast majority of our budget on the military, WAY, WAY more than we do on anything else. We could spend just a small percenmtage of that on other things and we would be able to pay for all sorts of stuff. The Republicans right now are giving us the biggest yearly budget deficit in history and it's because of defense spending first, and the tax cuts to the wealthy second. The reason I am supporting some of the dems is because I think it's sensible to focus our money on things that help everyone. But I guess that makes me stupid and a loser.
In regards to military spending... Trump had to fix what the Obama administration did to it. It was WEAK. Not up to standards at all. Right now, I think our military has recovered so that might be possible to reduce spending in that area somewhat.

Ahhhhhh... you like Pocohantas do you?? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
 
Remember when people used to say this place was overrun by liberals?

Anyway Trump will be impeached in the House. Then Senate Inc. will tighten their lips around Trump's tiny orange cock and that will be that.



Says the person who parrots all of Dear Leader's phrases and talking points.
talking points ha.. turn it on CNN then turn it on MSNBC, then ABC = The daily talking point isssssss = You answer
 
In regards to military spending... Trump had to fix what the Obama administration did to it. It was WEAK. Not up to standards at all. Right now, I think our military has recovered so that might be possible to reduce spending in that area somewhat.

Ahhhhhh... you like Pocohantas do you?? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
Lol you don't know SHIT about our military or how money is allocated, do you? You really crack me up :ROFLMAO:
 
Once again, the derision towards other viewpoints dripping off your posts is quite telling. Usually Trump supporters try to tell me that Obama was doing too much with the military, not that he made the military weak. One of the biggest talking points I usually hear is that Trump is good because he is going to pull us out of our military conflicts. So this is a new one to me, that Trump is good because he increased military spending.

I'm going to stop contributing to this clusterfuck though for the time being.
 
Once again, the derision towards other viewpoints dripping off your posts is quite telling. Usually Trump supporters try to tell me that Obama was doing too much with the military, not that he made the military weak. One of the biggest talking points I usually hear is that Trump is good because he is going to pull us out of our military conflicts. So this is a new one to me, that Trump is good because he increased military spending.

I'm going to stop contributing to this clusterfuck though for the time being.
You twisted what I said. He needed to fix the military because Obama destroyed it. I do not know what the cost of that is... but it's def not free. That's all.

Ok.........See ya😸
 
Fuck I can't help it... okay can you explain to me how Obama destroyed the military, and how Trump fixed it? I just haven't heard this one before.
 
Fuck I can't help it... okay can you explain to me how Obama destroyed the military, and how Trump fixed it? I just haven't heard this one before.

It's so annoying. All Trump does is try to tear Obama down still. Obama did not destroy the military. You cannot reason with these people.

I will say that every single president was put there by a darker force. It's been that way since the beginning of time. Look to England and the Rothschilds. They get their orders directly from Satan. The presidents essentially are just puppets for the new world order whether they know it or not.
 
I'm sorry for being a dick earlier guys I was in a bad place. Anyways, the assumption of me being some 'crazy lib' is so off though. I would vote for Trump if Biden ran against him... take that as you will. I feel strongly about guns, drugs, and taxes. So anyone who threatens my interests in those categories is not my candidate. Hence, fuck Joe Biden.
 
Just like you all mocked me in the mueller report forum the same is happening here and we all know who won that battle . But now pelosi and little Schiff need to waste more tax dollars on a bullshit impeachment hoax so it looks like there doing something for there 180k a year . You guys are a joke for real .
Just for the record , I’ve stated in other threads many times that if there was a centrist running then I would consider them . I told myself from the beggining that if shultz or Bloomberg join the ticket then I would give them a chance to win me over . But with the current leading 3 FUCK NO!!
 
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Fucking quit calling people stupid and a joke and stuff. Everybody. I swear to god the next time someone flings a personal attack in here I will infract them, I don't care who it is. This is some bullshit, control yourselves for fuck's sake, aren't we all adults? If we can't address each other with respect then we're doomed as a country. I know it's a problem on both sides of the fence. But I don't want it being a problem at Bluelight.

Totach I know bac a while ago you got attacked while trying to participate respectfully. That was wrong and you and I talked about it. There were some issues in here back then but we have done a lot of work to fix those issues. You may not realize that because you haven't been posting here since then, but it's true. There are plenty of people who share your views in here now. You have to understand though, when you drop in and call someone blind and insult an entire group of people, it triggers people to lash out, just as them insulting you caused you to lash out back. They were wrong for lashing out, too. Everyone just fucking quit it, please. This is what the leaders in power want, is us thinking each other is our enemy while they pillage this country for all it's worth.

I would like to be able to go back to discussing the facts of this topic and the reasons for why we do or do not support impeachment, without being told I'm a blind stupid sheep with a low IQ. I can promise I will not call someone stupid for believing he should not be impeached, and that the testimonies and evidence are fabricated, or whatever I will disagree with you, and we can talk about it, but I will respect your beliefs. I wish everyone else would do the same.
 
Your point was about the whistleblower’s motives mattering despite a number of people whose credibility is being attacked rather unfairly (apparently speaking a foreign language and being moved by your family when you’re three make you suspect as opposed to a life of service...) supporting what the whistleblower stated and more.

My question is why does a motivation matter if the truth, as supported by a number of people who aren’t seeing a lot of upside and risking basically everything, is being told?
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In what sense could risking your entire career in highly charged political environment led by a vindictive, petty man with a lot of rabid social media followers be of self-interest?

The language(s) a man speaks, nor his childhood history are making him suspect. His work history and ties to those against Trump are what shades his motivations and makes his words and actions suspect. He is risking very little, in that his work under Trump was already finished and his work with those against Trump will continue. There is no professional risk, his career is fine with the intelligence agencies so long as they protect their own. If you want to point to personal risk, I'd grant some concern for any Trump supporters that were unhinged enough to attack him personally (and I mean physical violence, not twitter words) is a legitimate possibility. Though, I expect he is well protected from such nut jobs. If you mean Trump's pining for the old days where spies were shot...do you honestly believe there is any chance of Trump putting such action in play, or is it more likely he's running off at the mouth yet again? Is >THIS< the moment you take him seriously?

Odd. You say that, and yet it doesn't seem to have amounted to much. (in relation to the 'obstruction' accusations)
Well, it’s not my fault the average American isn’t “a reader”. And if the court continues to compel the release of testimony from the Mueller investigation to the impeachment inquiry, I’m sure a digestible soundbite can be crafted for the general public.

Mueller said himself that even if Trump weren't in the position of President (not chargeable while in office) he wouldn't have raised the charges, unless I'm recalling incorrectly. Average Americans aren't in a position to impeach. Those that are didn't pick that one up and run with it as hard as they've tried with every other 'offense' Trump is accused of. Why is that?

What is fair and what Trump wants aren’t likely to overlap, but I do think Dems have a difficult row to hoe in terms of balancing appearances and winning.

Is the goal 'winning'? It sure seems like it is, over getting to the 'truth'. It seems like 'winning' has been the objective since the election, 'truth' be damned.

And as far as the whistleblowers identity, his politics would only be relevent if his evidence was all there was to go on. But it's not. And his testimony was very in line with the transcript the white house released. That suggests his accusations are reliable, regardless of his politics. And as for any suggestion that there's not enough evidence, that's irrelivent. The whole point of an investigation is to gather evidence. If you needed enough evidence to conflict in order to even investigate, nobody would ever be conflicted. Getting evidence is the whole point of investigating.

His evidence. His 4th hand hearsay against published transcripts? I'll concede the transcripts aren't actually 'verbatim transcripts', as I understand they are summaries from notes from several people. It leaves room for several interpretations that fill in the gaps and stitch the known words together. Personally, I'd be fine with Trump declassifying the whole damn conversation to put this to bed. Either he won't because it is indeed damning, or he will at the 11th hour to deflate (yet again!) the Dem accusations and hopes of impeachment. Until that happens, we'll continue with our political circus, and get exactly what we deserve - biased interpretations from both sides trying to spin or paint their own picture around what is known.

Yeah, an inquiry or investigation is indeed to find the evidence. Dem's track record of hoping for something damning on Trump is piss poor to date. Doesn't mean they won't find something, just means they haven't after years of trying. Is there ever a point at which they accept there is no 'there' there? I doubt it.
 
If HRC was in office and should be impeached for it, I would care. But she isn’t, so I’m ñot concerned. Too much to investigate, too little time.

My bringing up Hillary was in response to your comment that Dems want fairness, along with other examples I provided of Dems acting unfairly. And the response is 'if she was in office'? Really? So doing wrong only matters depending upon what your job is? Too much to investigate, too little time? How'd that work out for years of Mueller and 'Russia'? Was that not worth it?

Hillary Clinton could gun someone down in the street, and it still wouldn't make any difference as far as prosecuting trump is concerned.

Trump supports seem to think the only option is either prosecuting Hillary or trump, that it's one or the other and feel Hillary should be the one prosecuted. But that's not true. We absolutely can prosecute both, and unless they conspire together, their crimes and investigating them are totally independent. Constantly bringing up Hillary Clinton to distract from trumps crimes is an extremely transparent attempt at distraction.

Yes, Hillary and Trump are two completely separate situations. The only common ground is WHO did the investigative work and WHAT was the outcome? For Hillary, no consequences. For Trump, when nothing was found about 'Russia', we move to 'obstruction' which falls short so we move to 'racist' which doesnt move the needle, so we move to quid pro quo and push it to an impeachment inquiry. If that fails, what next?

It's not about distracting from Trump - dude is running around in lighter fluid sprinklers wearing a paper suit trying to light matches. But, it isn't about distracting attention from the man who demands an endless spotlight. It's about fairness and what is right. There are many instances where what is fair, or right, doesn't matter in the quest to get Trump out of office. It's tough to maintain faith the Dem's have a wolf crying 'Gotcha' when it's our umpteenth time on this merry go round with nothing to show for it. It's about all the cries of Trump's wrong doing that have either not actually happened (Russia!) or were preceded by Dems doing EXACTLY what they accuse Trump of (Hello, Biden, on camera bragging of withholding funding to Ukraine....UKRAINE!! FUNDING!! QUID PRO QUO!!) and not a damn peep of any concern about it at all.

Trump does wrong - fine, prove it and let's hold him accountable. But how much have the Dems done wrong with ZERO accountability? And, of course, they think that is 'fair' and 'right' OK! 👍 :rolleyes:
 
I don't think he'll actually be removed, either. At this point it's about holding accountable, and holding public leaders in general accountable. If we do nothing, then it tells Trump he can keep doing whatever he wants, and it tells other leaders that they can do whatever they want, too.

I fully agree - he likely won't be removed, IMO. Unless there is a smoking gun that completely sinks him, the Dems will continue to push for anything they can, and the Reps won't bite. It'll be a wash at best with maybe a slap on the wrist or some finger shaking. But if you don't remove him from office, he can run again. And if he wins, then what?

I'd love if we could have an actual 'come to Jesus' meeting with ALL politicians to curtail these shenanigans. I think Trump's attempt to 'drain the swamp' will get a lot of bad people out, but not all. And I'm concerned what fills that space, because the Political machine doesn't know how to stop and it only knows how to run how it's been running for ages.

And not only is Trump attacking a decorated war veteran (even Republicans are calling that wrong), I just read that he's trying to have an investigation done with the goal of discrediting the Mueller investigation. Which is weird because he previously claimed that it was a total exoneration. So which is it? Why does he feel the need to discredit it if it's an exoneration? These are not the actions of a man with nothing to hide.

The investigation was started around the time Mueller turned in his report. Starting it earlier would be seen as interfering, but after it's submitted, it would be fair to question it's origins. Odd how the word 'fair' keeps turning up. I can't speak to Trump's comments on anyone (war veteran), but I can see how he can hold up a Mueller report that found his team never had anything to do with Russia as exonerating him - or was there something he actually DID with Russia? I can also see the need to investigate it's origins if it WAS constructed as the right lays it out. If it wasn't a trap, or coup, or whatever term people prefer to use, then wouldn't an investigation into that turn up nothing and exonerate those who launched it? What's there to worry about other than finding the truth - and that truth being 'nothing' or that truth being' deep state' validation that can finally be exposed and addressed? Call Trump petty, vindictive, whatever....is it wrong to seek the truth? The left seems to think once you can't find it, start looking somewhere else until you find what you're after.

And he's also asking foreign governments for help in order to investiate the FBI and CIA. Is that even legal? Do we want foreign governments investigating our intelligence agencies? Doesn't that seem like a national security issue?

Who polices the police? Who investigates the CIA & FBI? If you don't trust your own departments, and it's obvious Trump does not trust the FBI and CIA (going back to the roots of the Russia probe), then of course he's going to want to know what happened. We all know FBI & CIA won't incriminate themselves, so he HAS to go to other countries for info on what happened. If other countries say 'nothing happened' he has to let it go. If other countries say 'FBI & CIA asked us to do X, Y, and Z' then he's got something. I'd expect full denial from FBI & CIA, but they can debunk it if it is fabricated crap by Ukraine or whomever in an effort to appease Trump. Shouldn't be hard with 'the truth'.
 
Cdugs, please feel free to delete my post. Just wanted to point out that Shady is wrong here in every respect and contradicts themselves frequently.

doubt it , your to smart and special to have a post deleted . But it’s nice of you to be so open and honest about how you really feel inside . Do you see therapist?

I replied because I wanted to piss your little retard brain off.

INFRACT ME PLEASE, SHADY IS RETARDED.

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While there are several in here, staff included, that have responded extremely poorly in this thread there is no denying you, totach, came in not to contribute to the discussion but to throw stones.

Na, not really . Your to blind to your liberal ideals . I just wanted to stop in and remind you 😉.

If you (all of you) can't contribute effectively to the discussion, you have the choice to stfu and stay out. If you choose to engage, stay within rules or face the discipline mods have (patiently thus far) withheld. That goes for everyone (staff included) - play nice or don't play. If anyone chooses to engage and be an ass, don't be surprised when others make the choice for you to remain out of the discussion.
 
the WASHINGTON POST .... SERIOUSLY 🤣 No one learns... What the hell is wrong with you? I won't even click that trash. the source is terrible.

Each side has their favored media outlets. If you really want to criticize the sources someone provides, bring your own. But make sure they aren't showing a bias or you're open to the same laughter, ridicule, and disbelief. Personally, I'm not sure an unbiased media source exists.
 
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