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And why is motive more important than truth?

Can you show me where I said as such? I don't believe I did. I certainly don't believe motive trumps truth, but it does matter. In fact, I believe THAT is what I said.

How many people do you want? And if they are telling the truth AND they dislike/hate Trump, why does it matter? Can’t we multitask? 😁

Again, never said quantity is a qualifier. I accept folks can multitask. I also accept that folks can lie if it serves their interest.

particularly since he has a record of obstructing justice.

Odd. You say that, and yet it doesn't seem to have amounted to much.

do hope Trump is forced to testify under oath in public. Must-see TV. 🍿

lmao...not for children or those faint of heart. I'm not sure if he is exempt by executive privilege, or by whatever legal sense parallel 'pleading the fifth' in an impeachment. I'm not sure his ego would allow him to stfu, even if that's what every one of his counsel tells him to do.

Frankly, I think the Democrats are being too responsive to incessant criticism from Trump and surrogates.

Another lol...as if Dems gave a crap about ANYTHING Trump wants.

Democrats always worry too much about fairness.

You practicing for standup? You're definitely on a roll today with this stuff, I'll give you that. Tell me, where was the fairness in
Asking Ukraine to find/make dirt on Trump
Getting a fake dossier made by Fusion GPS and Steele
Hillary using an unsecured server, having classified info stolen or simply forwarded, and not so much as a slap on the wrist
...shall I continue?

being public are going to do anything except allow for more slanderous accusations being leveled at people who testify a duly and rightfully elected President, with the full weight of the presidency and his Democrats and their fans continuing to attack the witnesses him without proof (ref Russia!! Mueller, et al).

Fairness. It kinda works both ways.

Hopefully it doesn’t prevent the truth from coming out. We’ll see.

Amen, sister.

the president is already impugning the character of people who have no obvious motivation to lie is concerning and frightening in terms of silencing dissent.

I can't, and won't, excuse his poor behaviour. I will challenge your statement that the people have no motivation to lie. I will also challenge the real threat of silencing anyone, other than how the Dems set the ground rules to limit the Repubs in this inquiry. Talk about silencing dissent. Oh, and on that note - how many Dems have had anyone (even Trump) propose, threaten, or call for their Twitter accounts to be silenced? Hmm? Fairness. Both ways.
 
Can you show me where I said as such? I don't believe I did. I certainly don't believe motive trumps truth, but it does matter. In fact, I believe THAT is what I said.

Your point was about the whistleblower’s motives mattering despite a number of people whose credibility is being attacked rather unfairly (apparently speaking a foreign language and being moved by your family when you’re three make you suspect as opposed to a life of service...) supporting what the whistleblower stated and more.

My question is why does a motivation matter if the truth, as supported by a number of people who aren’t seeing a lot of upside and risking basically everything, is being told?

Again, never said quantity is a qualifier. I accept folks can multitask. I also accept that folks can lie if it serves their interest.

In what sense could risking your entire career in highly charged political environment led by a vindictive, petty man with a lot of rabid social media followers be of self-interest?

Odd. You say that, and yet it doesn't seem to have amounted to much.
Well, it’s not my fault the average American isn’t “a reader”. And if the court continues to compel the release of testimony from the Mueller investigation to the impeachment inquiry, I’m sure a digestible soundbite can be crafted for the general public.

This is why representative democracy has some merit, although it’s a highly mixed bag.

lmao...not for children or those faint of heart. I'm not sure if he is exempt by executive privilege, or by whatever legal sense parallel 'pleading the fifth' in an impeachment. I'm not sure his ego would allow him to stfu, even if that's what every one of his counsel tells him to do.

Well he said he wanted to testify for Mueller. The truth is with his extensive legal history, even he likely knows he’s toast under oath. Hopefully not. 🍿

Another lol...as if Dems gave a crap about ANYTHING Trump wants.

What is fair and what Trump wants aren’t likely to overlap, but I do think Dems have a difficult row to hoe in terms of balancing appearances and winning.

Tell me, where was the fairness in
Asking Ukraine to find/make dirt on Trump
Getting a fake dossier made by Fusion GPS and Steele

If you’re using hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to leverage your position to create dirt on your potential political opponent in an upcoming election because you’re president, it’s beyond fairness and into impeachable territory imo.

You might not feel that way, but the people who desperately tried to cover it up, as well as the people who are now trying to bring it to light (I’m referring to witnesses, not partisan politicians in this last group) disagree. The politicians who can’t seem to find a way to defend what Trump did despite his largesse vs punitive approach to supporters and detractors respectively would indicate a strong discomfort defending what he did and the other things his modus operandi (described in detail in the Mueller report) must give them pause. It’s interesting to watch Republicans try to navigate the snake-filled moat. Teehee.

And their familiarity with what is and
Hillary using an unsecured server, having classified info stolen or simply forwarded, and not so much as a slap on the wrist
...shall I continue?

If HRC was in office and should be impeached for it, I would care. But she isn’t, so I’m ñot concerned. Too much to investigate, too little time.

will also challenge the real threat of silencing anyone, other than how the Dems set the ground rules to limit the Repubs in this inquiry. Talk about silencing dissent. Oh, and on that note - how many Dems have had anyone (even Trump) propose, threaten, or call for their Twitter accounts to be silenced? Hmm? Fairness. Both ways.
Trump didn’t suggest turning off the whistleblower’s Twitter account. He instead pined for the days where he could be killed in a brutal way. If you don’t find that troubling or understand why someone why someone might not want to risk their job, their career, most of their social support and financial security to be threatened by a mob of Trump’s followers and Trump himself, I’m not sure where to go with that- these individuals who are testifying have chosen private lives of public service and now they’re putting everything on the line to say they saw a serious problem.
If it was one person, I could see the concern, but it’s not one person, and the outcome is not guaranteed by any means. And Trump is an incredibly vindictive person with the most powerful bully pulpit in the world.

I’m curious to see what Bolton says if subpoenaed. I wonder if Trump regrets canning so many people unceremoniously.
 
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Hillary Clinton could gun someone down in the street, and it still wouldn't make any difference as far as prosecuting trump is concerned.

Trump supports seem to think the only option is either prosecuting Hillary or trump, that it's one or the other and feel Hillary should be the one prosecuted. But that's not true. We absolutely can prosecute both, and unless they conspire together, their crimes and investigating them are totally independent. Constantly bringing up Hillary Clinton to distract from trumps crimes is an extremely transparent attempt at distraction.

And make no mistake, if we can't investigate and prosecute them together (and we could), trumps gotta go first. Because he's the president. The president being corrupt is a much bigger threat.

What trump did, trying to tie political favors to aid, is totally disgraceful. He should he impeached and prosecuted for it.

And as far as the whistleblowers identity, his politics would only be relevent if his evidence was all there was to go on. But it's not. And his testimony was very in line with the transcript the white house released. That suggests his accusations are reliable, regardless of his politics. And as for any suggestion that there's not enough evidence, that's irrelivent. The whole point of an investigation is to gather evidence. If you needed enough evidence to conflict in order to even investigate, nobody would ever be conflicted. Getting evidence is the whole point of investigating.

Trumps gotta go. He is a disgrace to his office, he's making America look like a laughing stock, but worst of all, he's endangering American national security.
 
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I changed my vote to Other, because I want Trump impeached (the evidence is there and he does deserve it) but I want Pence impeached with him. Otherwise I don't want the impeachment at all :( Pence HAS to go down with him he's the Wizard behind the curtain.
 
I changed my vote to Other, because I want Trump impeached (the evidence is there and he does deserve it) but I want Pence impeached with him. Otherwise I don't want the impeachment at all :( Pence HAS to go down with him he's the Wizard behind the curtain.

It's very unlikely impeaching trump will be successful. In many ways that's not the point here. The point is to investigate and expose the crimes of this administration. Then hopefully the American voting public can get rid of both of them next year.
 
If you deny the validity of this impeachment inquiry/investigation, to me it seems like you must be suggesting that all of the (very credible) testimonies that corroborate each other are lies. That military leaders are lying and that records of filing complaints when the conversation was heard are also fabrications. it's far more likely that the president, whose career as a businessman has been corrupt for many decades, is corrupt and is lying.

I believed Trump was corrupt and needed to face ramifications when Ir ead the Mueller reprot. But this makes it even more credible. I want the result of this to be a wake up call and lead to future presidents being much less able to abuse their office.

I don't think he'll actually be removed, either. At this point it's about holding accountable, and holding public leaders in general accountable. If we do nothing, then it tells Trump he can keep doing whatever he wants, and it tells other leaders that they can do whatever they want, too.
 
And not only is Trump attacking a decorated war veteran (even Republicans are calling that wrong), I just read that he's trying to have an investigation done with the goal of discrediting the Mueller investigation. Which is weird because he previously claimed that it was a total exoneration. So which is it? Why does he feel the need to discredit it if it's an exoneration? These are not the actions of a man with nothing to hide.

And he's also asking foreign governments for help in order to investiate the FBI and CIA. Is that even legal? Do we want foreign governments investigating our intelligence agencies? Doesn't that seem like a national security issue?
 
And not only is Trump attacking a decorated war veteran (even Republicans are calling that wrong), I just read that he's trying to have an investigation done with the goal of discrediting the Mueller investigation. Which is weird because he previously claimed that it was a total exoneration. So which is it? Why does he feel the need to discredit it if it's an exoneration? These are not the actions of a man with nothing to hide.

And he's also asking foreign governments for help in order to investiate the FBI and CIA. Is that even legal? Do we want foreign governments investigating our intelligence agencies? Doesn't that seem like a national security issue?

Lots of the shit he's doing is illegal and harming national security. That's why hes gotta go.

As for discredit mueller while claiming he was exonerated. Keep in mind this is the guy who said over and over during the election that the election was rigged against him.

There's no point trying to bring logic into what he says. He just says whatever pops into his head. And what pops into his head is entirely based on his emotions. And his emotions are entirely narcissistic and egotistical.
 
Na, not really . Your to blind to your liberal ideals . I just wanted to stop in and remind you 😉.
 
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woah there, you must have an iq of 160 due to your grammar but I’ll take my 5 languages I speak and my dyslexia over you being judgmental about my grammar . I’ve stated many times that my English grammar is shit but shows what an idiot you are to base someone’s knowledge on there grammar 😝
 
The guy has not only put the respect of a President to a new low but he damaging american interests. He seems to make putins intrests his own . In the future when history talks about this silver spoon in mouth knobhead it will be how The leader of the most powerful nation on earth was a stooge for putin. Where we live in uk with have a large kurdish population and they such good people he betrayedthem after one phone call to the turkish despot against advice fro security cheifs.
 
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woah there, you must have an iq of 160 due to your grammar but I’ll take my 5 languages I speak and my dyslexia over you being judgmental about my grammar . I’ve stated many times that my English grammar is shit but shows what an idiot you are to base someone’s knowledge on there grammar 😝

Could you stop calling people names? No one else is doing that here. Thanks.
 
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woah there, you must have an iq of 160 due to your grammar but I’ll take my 5 languages I speak and my dyslexia over you being judgmental about my grammar . I’ve stated many times that my English grammar is shit but shows what an idiot you are to base someone’s knowledge on there grammar 😝
You're cock must be so large man. I kowtow to your greatness. You're right, Trump is the best thing that has ever happened to the face of the planet Earth. Jesus ain't got nothing on our small-handed God.
 
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Very nice of you to deflect the whole thread just to write a special message to me with that super high iq of yours 😂.
I feel honored that you took your time .
Thank you..
I hope my spelling and grammar is understandable 🙄
 
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Very nice of you to deflect the whole thread just to write a special message to me with that super high iq of yours 😂.
I feel honored that you took your time .
Thank you..
I hope my spelling and grammar is understandable 🙄
Very nice of you to derail it with your baseless attack on the views of the posters in this thread with your super high IQ as well. We feel blessed and honored to be in the presence of such a stable genius as yourself and our lord and savior DJT.
 
Again must be your high iq and potential telepathy into my brain that somehow you’ve read my mind . You should volunteer your super powers to either Pocahontas or burnies campaign 😉
Hey maybe you can help them with there imaginary impeachment aswell 😂.
Can’t believe how I’ve never heard one liberal complain about a lot the money spent on the mueller report and the whole witch hunt . Money that could have went to many things but went no where but up in smoke . What do the dems do all day? What exactly is there job? Because it seems like in today’s day a dems job is to figure out how to impeach there president when they should focus on bettering there districts and the people they represent .
I did not want to get involved in any of these threads because I have previously . I just wanted to call out alasdair tbh just cuz him/her and Jess are just the most blind hypocritical people I’ve ever had a chance to read there opinions .
Xor- I have respect for you which is why I am apologizing for using names .
 
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