• Welcome Guest

    Forum Guidelines Bluelight Rules
    Fun 💃 Threads Overdosed? Click
    D R U G   C U L T U R E

Rare Benzo Pradoxical Reactions

Captain.Heroin

Captain.Heroin

Bluelight Crew
Joined
Nov 3, 2008
Messages
94,863
Location
Thousands of Miles Away From You
Specifically I want to hear from anyone who has had a reaction that isn't a "typical PR" [PR=paradoxical reaction; i.e. a reaction that seems counter-intuitive or bizarre/seemingly defies any valid explanation] or once-over anyone has had with benzos ON or during acute cessation not leading to withdrawal symptoms but different reactions.

Specifically when I normally jump off benzos abruptly after "long enough" (a few days to 1-2 weeks max normally) I get MANIC. I have ONLY had "manic like" responses on one benzo (will not list which one); I get a more typical "derealization/anxiety inducing" reaction to 7-nitro benzos like clonazepam.

If it doesn't involve anger, aggression, depersonalization, derealization, neuroticism, suicidal ideation, emotional numbness, dissociation, "no effects", and borders on something "no one could explain" or is completely unheard of (or if it involved aforementioned and more, like feeling multiple emotions, or severe mood swings without ever having experienced them before/after? I guess?) - I am interested mostly due to the fact medical literature lacks a lot on this outside of case studies, A LOT OF WHICH do not apply to some of the rx/rc benzos that I know myself/others are/have been using, and this information may be important to future people, even if it's just a small handful across time who are like, "Why did I feel ________ [bizarre reaction typical of a different class of drugs, or something unlike a drug experience] on _______ [rx/rc benzo]?" may get an answer when googling one day.

It's OK if it just happened once, or EVERY time you have done such a drug, I am just interested. Thanks in advance. Dosage not necessarily needed, more interested in chemical and effect (if you know dosage, duration ESPECIALLY if the duration differs from what is listed/expected for a rx this would be nice) per indiviual as this is one of the most per-person class of drugs I know of.
 
I get extremely impatient with very talkative people and get extremely angry suddenly for reasons that normally I wouldn't spend too long thinking about. I tend to start my use usually at least with 4 mg of Alprazolam then within a week the dose increases to 10-20mg Alprazolam and 40-80mg Diazepam (I somehow don't really get much from Diazepam; I think that it could be related to long term, very heavy poly drug abuse but it's just a guess). With Alprazolam, I think that the speed and the potency are the resons for me to get much better relief, in comparison to other benzos like Diazepam or Clonazepam.
 
Could be considered "agitated response" this happens on it too. I said "aggression" I am guessing I should have also listed "agitation" but still, thank you for listing. I am still interested even if it's a stereotypical PR too.

I get "little/no" relief/effects from oral lorazepam or diazepam.
 
I have a friend with OCD who got "hyped the fuck up" with midazolam or something before a surgery. She had to end up getting something else for anesthesia, maybe ketamine. Oddly enough she occasionally had lorazepam in the past but it didn't do that. She also had a weird reaction to seroquel.

As for mania I can't say, I've known a bipolar friend amp up their anxiety to a logarithmic 9 off of alprazolam er, perhaps flipped into mania from depression, but that isn't quite out of the blue nor really paradoxical.

I just get depressed with benzos.
 
I'm having trouble understanding the thread. If you are just wondering about any paradoxical reactions involving use or cessation of benzodiazepines then I got a response.

Happened just once with Lorazepam. I have used Alprazolam/Diazepam/Diclazepam/Clonazepam/Clonazolam/Etizolam/Metizolam/Midazolam/Flualprazolam/Phenobarbital/Butalbital etc and never had it happen again.

1.5 hours in and wasn't feeling much so decided to go for a walk at night. Going outside it felt like a stoney dream, lit a smoke and looked up at a hill maybe a mile away and saw a transformer (like a robot) grabbing trees to get itself over the hill. I was super confused but relaxed enough to not care. Ended up seeing shadow people behind trees on the street and a big pile of bodies in a park. I SWEAR I'M NOT CRAZY, shit is still scary lookin back has never happened to me again.

In withdrawal I just get super disconnected from myself and my environment.

Edit: prob about 2.5mg lorazepam that I took in above story
 
albatross said:
I'm having trouble understanding the thread.
Click to expand...
Typical paradoxical reactions are like, panic instead of panic relief, anxiety instead of anxiety relief, anger/agitation or depression instead of amelioration of these aforementioned effects.

There's atypical ones too like, a list of bizarre reactions (energy, mania, hallucinations/visuals instead of minimizing these effects, once-off or chronic to a group or individual benzo chemical) that would boggle the mind.
 
OrbitalCombustion said:
Phenazepam - unknown dose - blacked out for two weeks. Nearly drove into a church while simultaneously destroying all my tires.
Click to expand...
This would be a typical reaction to this chemical; long half life/duration BZD's in pure form are dangerous and most people should not want these. Intermediate can be too long for some BZD's for me in some cases, sometimes just right. Short/intermediate duration tends to work better for my conditions, etc.

I would encourage everyone to stay away from longer duration and half life BZD's if they can.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Typical paradoxical reactions are like, panic instead of panic relief, anxiety instead of anxiety relief, anger/agitation or depression instead of amelioration of these aforementioned effects.

There's atypical ones too like, a list of bizarre reactions (energy, mania, hallucinations/visuals instead of minimizing these effects, once-off or chronic to a group or individual benzo chemical) that would boggle the mind.
Click to expand...

After finally tapering off Clonazepam and quitting two weeks ago, I can definitively say that Clonazepam was doing the opposite of what it should when I was on it the last 6 months. I was perpetually throwing myself into a bigger hole of panic/anxiety. I already feel 10x better which is mind boggling to me.
 
long-term benzo use, sometimes, causes you to be more sensitive to anxiety/panic but it's also important to remember that if you experience tolerance increase, you are effectively (temporarily if you quit with only a few weeks use of something like not RC imo or permanent if you are on it years+) killing the BZD binding site. This would explain many things, i.e. a slow/year+ long recovery after a tedious taper, and BZD tolerance will be gone....for a day, if you ever use it again. Basically when the two subunits which dissociate getting rid of the BZD receptor, when they become "trained" to dissociate, they'll revert back to that after just one or two, etc. doses.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top