Extractions Methods

[tired of crap]

Before I begin is this topic kosher? If not Ill delete
Canada recently legalized cannabis and while solvent extractions are not permitted, making edibles w/o solvents is.

I know Coconut oil extractions are typically ___ hrs in length but I dont think they need to be.
Chemistry dictates more smaller washes with fresh "solvent" (coconut oil) are more effective at pulling out the thc than 1 longer pull.

Thoughts?

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations Tired of crap,

Before I begin is this topic kosher?

IMHO absolutely not in Canada, or at least not until Elizabeth May has won enough seats to fulfill her proposal to impose "organic" cultivation standards, though even at that you'd still be most surprized what this actually involves in terms of kosher edibles anyway...

Canada recently legalized cannabis and while solvent extractions are not permitted, making edibles w/o solvents is.

That's a very bad idea to start with vilified mari-caca that ain't expected to qualify as kosher once submitted to sufficient analysis.

Thoughts?

Assuming trichome glands never get sprayed, or least least only using Pest Control Products which won't contaminate them, i'd argue there's no other option than to go "medical" and launch a true "bio" session at home. Honestly i don't suppose you'd be happy to find out you've paid for kosher that turns into Zyklon when heated...

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Good day, have fun!! ☮

 

[thujone]

If you're using oil to make edibles you don't need to do any washes just mix the green into the oil, decarb with heat to dissolve the THC into the oil and strain the green. It shouldn't take more than 10m and the process produces bubbles so it's easy to visibly confirm when most of the THC has been decarbed. The only tricky part is making sure the heat doesn't rise to the point where the oil burns.

 

[AutoTripper]

Before I begin is this topic kosher? If not Ill delete
Canada recently legalized cannabis and while solvent extractions are not permitted, making edibles w/o solvents is.

I know Coconut oil extractions are typically ___ hrs in length but I dont think they need to be.
Chemistry dictates more smaller washes with fresh "solvent" (coconut oil) are more effective at pulling out the thc than 1 longer pull.

Thoughts?

I would be interested in knowing just how long it does take for pretty optimal extraction when infusing herb into coconut oil. My mum just made a batch last night as it happens we have it in the fridge permanently because I use the Edible cannabis as a vital digestive remedy every single day.

We decarb in oven covered by foil, ground in a glass dish, at 225-240 for about 1 hour, to compensate body temperature fluctuations. Better to hover between 225 and 240 and give it a little longer to make up rather than trying to keep it right on 240 ° the whole time, which would surely result in in the temperature being higher than 240 at certain points.

That decarbing is the PITA IME. Just necessary. You can get a decarbing machine called the Nova but it's quite expensive.

Then once cooled, 16 grams Auto Durban Poison went into 240 grams coconut oil, in a small saucepan on lowest heat, plus 3 big teaspoons of sunflower lecithin (this is vital if you want best results and makes a huge difference in the extraction and potency) and heated for nearly 4 hours, on and off the ring flexibly to prevent the heat getting too high as it would if it just sat on the hob the whole time.

After that we simply strain through muslin into a jar. Regarding time to cook, we really don't know what is best or what is necessary we used to think 2-hours was good but I have come to the belief that a longer time produces a better and more Potent product.

But this may be incorrect and possibly 2 hours is better than 4?

If you find out any time @tired of crap please do let me know.
I typically eat anywhere between 3.5 and 8 grams of the coconut oil daily, depending on digestive needs at the time.

Always combined with plenty of cannabis vaporization though I would actually rather the edibles did not have a psychoactive effect on top because I use them primarily for digestion. My life would actually be much easier if they did not get me stoned and simply worked for the tummy.

Glad to see how much you enjoyed your recent ALD trip btw take care bro.

 

[tired of crap]

lol i didnt mean kosher in the literal sense.
rather is this topic ok for discussion (in the forum.i know some dont allow extraction help... lol)

Yes autotripper decarb is a pita that way because you cant accurately measure temps.
I find it much easier after extraction, in a heat proof container in a pot of heated oil.Using a digital thermoeter I try to keep it at ~230F for around 45 minutes... I used to use higher temps for shorter times but then realized i was losing terpenes due to their lower bps. But Im honestly not sure if i notice a difference ... more trials are needed. Itll be easier to experiment now, given my crop from this season is curing.

But I digress. Heres my procedure.
Before extracting I dry in a sealed glass container with a rechargable dessicant. I just break the buds smaller, as too much grinding tends to bring lots of chlorophyll over. I then freeze the buds over night, as this helps to make the trichomes more fragile and easier for extraction (source needed lol).

I then extract in a heat proof container in an oil bath set to 170F Im not sure what optimal temperature is tbh. but I know higher tends to pull more fats and oils and upset my stomach more than lower temps. I just imagine lower temps take longer. Ive experimented with lower temps and noted 170 was more efficient than 160 with these shorter times.
As for time Ive experimented with 4 hrs, 2, 1, and 30 minutes.

When I use less time I divide my total oil into 3 smaller pulls. As this should be more efficient due to partion coefficients. Accordingly I also try to stir the oil every few minutes. Ive tried more pulls and tho tasting them on there own (esp with larger extractions, ~14 grams), I notice there is a sizable dose remaining, Im just not sure Im too concerned with a dose or two lol.

Im also not sure about a weed:coconut oil ratio. But for every gram of cannabis I use 10g coconut oil. Im still experimenting here too lol. Ive tried as low as 3g/ pull. And Ive tried using more for the first pull and less for the last. In water and then put it in the fridge.

But ive currently settled on just oil and 3/4 pulls (until Ive used all the oil) at 170F for 45min each.

I then pool the pulls and set the bath to ~230F (temp depends on the container you decarb in. I use stainless steel measuring cups because theyre thin and transfer heat mroe readily... esp compared to the small pyrex shot glass I prev used) but just measure the temp of the coconut oil itself and then I decarb for ~40 minutes. Im not sure on the time as I only recently started this lower temp decarb. But my last batch was still nice.

There are so many variables. Many of which I recognize Im complicating beyond the "crockpot for 8 hrs, stirring periodically"
But I feel if i can do it in a fraction of the time and more efficiently - so i dont have to eat a huge spoonful of oil - then I dont mind putting in the effort.

I enjoy coconut oil infusions. Im just not sure how efficient it is as a "solvent"
Ive often wondered of dry sieve techniques and then infusing in smaller amounts of coconut oil.
Previously Ive made them concentrated enough that a couple squirts from a dropper, about 10 mls, was more than enough (tho I had much less tolerance then lol).

But Im rambling...
Any inputs welcome.

 

[tired of crap]

If you're using oil to make edibles you don't need to do any washes just mix the green into the oil, decarb with heat to dissolve the THC into the oil and strain the green. It shouldn't take more than 10m and the process produces bubbles so it's easy to visibly confirm when most of the THC has been decarbed. The only tricky part is making sure the heat doesn't rise to the point where the oil burns.

yes ive wondered about decarbing as pulling
but i think the higher heat with the cannabis material in there pulls too much fat/oils/cholorphyll.... from my experience anyways
I feel its better to pull first then decarb, or decarb first as auto suggests then pull, but Im always up for another experiment lol...

What temp do you use?

 

[AutoTripper]

@tired of crap easy man and thanks for sharing that insight into your method I've tried to follow its and envisage everything but my brain is so down the drain right now even basic instructions and details are bothering me and I will have to come back and have another closer read of what you have said because it was all very alien to me at the moment lol.

Anyway I did actually consider the Nova decarboxylator machine yesterday because it may do a better job at decarbing than we are achieving in our oven.
And would be so much less of a headache as well.

I'm really not well enough to even try to learn any new sophisticated or improved process it's just beyond me.
So if this Nova machine is legit as many people reported to be when they get a working one lol, have to watch out for that, then it would actually be suitable for somebody like myself who is generally to debilitated with chronic health conditions to be very mentally or physically capable of much besides basic survival every day.

I'm pretty sure how edibles could be more patient in an uplifting psychoactive way and I think it's possible that our decarbing and cooking method is destroying THC in the process but it's so difficult to have any idea really.

I will definitely try and keep you posted if I explore that route and let you know the results in comparison to our our current experience.

 

[thujone]

yes ive wondered about decarbing as pulling
but i think the higher heat with the cannabis material in there pulls too much fat/oils/cholorphyll.... from my experience anyways
I feel its better to pull first then decarb, or decarb first as auto suggests then pull, but Im always up for another experiment lol...

What temp do you use?

tbh I don't measure the temps, I use a burner and steel bowl and it gets the job done fast but I make it really concentrated to save time and just add in normal oil or butter after if the recipe needs more of it. It does get a bit tinted from the chlorophyll but it still ends up tasting the same as edibles I've tried that were baked with more care.

 

[AutoTripper]

Guys just to say on the whole taste thing I absolutely love the taste of our homemade infused coconut oil especially the jar I make from my ABV.

I mix it up in a little dish with a teaspoon of sunflower lecithin and salt and loads of black pepper for better cannabinoid absorption and utilisation and I swear the black pepper gives it a much stronger kick.

It takes a bit of mashing together but once everything emulsifies it's like a little sorbet pay.by put back in the fridge to stop melting and becoming too runny.

And to me it's just delicious like that but it goes really well with something like a little bit of tahini on the side or some nuts or any type of crisp bread cracker.

How are used to enjoy our canna coconut oil the most was spread over a bit of cooled down roasted sweet potato. Seriously yummy I swear like gourmet canapes bursting with intense flavour and moreishness.

So many people talk about having an issue with the edibles like infused coconut oil but I've never had a problem with it and using my imagination is one of the tastiest ingredients of ever enjoyed.

Disclaimer I am weird lol.

 

[tired of crap]

I swear the black pepper gives it a much stronger kick.

Odd, considering https://www.leafly.com/news/cannabi...old-item-could-counteract-your-cannabis-induc

 

[AutoTripper]

Odd, considering https://www.leafly.com/news/cannabi...old-item-could-counteract-your-cannabis-induc

Intetesting. I never, ever get even slightly paranoid. Like zero paranoia. But I have crippling anxiety, strongly connnected to immense and often unendurable physical (and therefore mental) suffering, plus a damaged optic nerve which is like being on a powerful drug which basically causes pretty severe anxiety in a physical sense.

But like I say absolutely no paranoia in my head all my life at all and it's been that way for a long time but I strongly suspect this is just about my grounding and assurance and myself as an individual in a very strong spiritual sense.

So who knows maybe the pepper is having some additional effects at calming my psyche. They never actually really mentioned how the Peppa affects the cannabis high but then they weren't exactly exploring this and they clearly probably hadn't heard much reference to it elsewhere but I have have been made aware of this via a cannabis vaporization forum and a scientific please and it seems there is some science in the whole black pepper basically slowing down the rate at which the cannabinoids are broken down inside the receptors or something I can't remember the technicality of it now.

But my mum and I from the moment we started taking black pepper and a fair bit of it with our edible doses we both noticed an unquestionably stronger effect.

So much so that when I have been consuming too much herb for my ideal good I have drawn the conclusion intuitively that my black pepper consumption must be reduced to take the edge off the heaviness of my cannabis usage .

Haha, yeah that's the answer. "Why am I feeling so mashed still from all that heavy cannabis vaporization and edibles yesterday oh yeah that's right is that black pepper that's messing me up I need to cut back on that!"

I think it's something like it slows down the rate at which the cannabinoids are degraded inside the receptors something specific like that.

 

[Snowy_Hell]

Before I begin is this topic kosher? If not Ill delete
Canada recently legalized cannabis and while solvent extractions are not permitted, making edibles w/o solvents is.

I know Coconut oil extractions are typically ___ hrs in length but I dont think they need to be.
Chemistry dictates more smaller washes with fresh "solvent" (coconut oil) are more effective at pulling out the thc than 1 longer pull.

Thoughts?

Just ram all of your weed into a pipe with one end having a tire valve on one end, and a needle-like exhaust on the other, then invert a propane-butane tank into it, letting the liquified gas extracting all of the THC out of your weed charge into a bowl, letting you have that sweet golden honey oil in a dish. Scrape it up and venture into geometric oblivion where Mother-of-the-Void awaits you to admire and worship her grace.

 

[Zonxx]

I have been consuming too much herb for my ideal good

this is just implossibru back when i was a daily heavy hash smoker i never limited my use =p at the same time i rarely exceeded 2.5g/day but this was also very high quality bubble hash which makes my brain drool abit right now, id smoke up right now if i wasn't on such an amp dose that i wouldn't get high :/

 

[tired of crap]

a propane-butane tank into it, letting the liquified gas ...

if only i hadnt addressed this as solventless lol...
I get water is considered a solvent but butane ffs ....

 

[Snowy_Hell]

if only i hadnt addressed this as solventless lol...
I get water is considered a solvent but butane ffs ....

Propane-butane method is easy-peasy to do, just don't light a cigarette while doing it. Do it in an open space and you're good. Besides, a bit of firestorm at your hands will only get you quicker to the Valhalla of voidic warriors.

 

[tired of crap]

If anything id consider a quick wash with ethanol (qwet) .. as its food space
yes yes .. purge purge purge but I dont have a vac oven

I like coconut oil extracts ... just been a minute since ive done em and was looking for some thoughts ..
Guess i shoulda been more direct in the title lol

 

[Snowy_Hell]

If anything id consider a quick wash with ethanol (qwet) .. as its food space
yes yes .. purge purge purge but I dont have a vac oven

I like coconut oil extracts ... just been a minute since ive done em and was looking for some thoughts ..
Guess i shoulda been more direct in the title lol

Ethanol extracts the chlorophyll as well. No good. Propane-butane method is the way to go.

 

[AutoTripper]

Okay I remembered the exact specific terms now. The black pepper "slows down the degradation of the cannabinoids inside the receptors."

Backed up by science allegedly. The science of what they call "cannabimimetics" if I spelt it right.

There are a good few, like oregano. I take oil of oregano every day for vital respiratory symptom management and I have always sworn it appears to potentiate or enhance the effects of my cannabis highs

Cannabimimetics - CannPal

CannPal is also researching phytonutrients which science is now showing us to be “Cannabimimetic” compounds which are reported as having similar pharmacological effects to those of cannabis; applied to various cannabinoid receptor types including the most commonly known cannabinoid receptors 1...

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[AutoTripper]

this is just implossibru back when i was a daily heavy hash smoker i never limited my use =p at the same time i rarely exceeded 2.5g/day but this was also very high quality bubble hash which makes my brain drool abit right now, id smoke up right now if i wasn't on such an amp dose that i wouldn't get high :/

Well I never approach those sort of quantities of consumption but then I have to be fairly conservative because I'm severely allergic to all fertilizers, and since 2005 I have only been able to tolerate our own produce outdoor autoflowers with the most basic minimal organic compost soil mixture.

We produced 250g this year of some really fine stuff the best ever vs 875g last year.

I only ever vaporize in combination with my edibles and I get very good bang for buck the way I go about it so that I am really consuming more than a gram at most daily.

I have gone over that but it pays to keep my tolerance lower and get more enjoyment and less dependence.

 

[tired of crap]

Ethanol extracts the chlorophyll as well. No good. Propane-butane method is the way to go.

Id agree but freezer cold quick pulls of min are still ok imo. Winterization could be an option too for further removal of fats/chloro but the Cannabis Act prohibits such activities as ethanol as seen as an organic solvent and thus prohibited to use for extractions, unless licensed (lol I can guess why - ppl blowing themselves up.. I mean making beer and wine is legal but ethanol distilation isnt - same boat i guess. But still... fuckers ha)

Not sure Ive had the privilege of knowing what the other exts were made with. And Im not entirely against solvents but propane-butane just doesnt sound like something i might want to consume ... super critical co2 is food safe but impractical for diy'ers as well ... wonder if itd be permissible? lol

Which brings us back to coconut oil unfortunately... butter is gross imo but apparently ghee works well too