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Anyone who goes to a rave to 'observe' people so that they can post their 'findings' on the internet needn't wonder why people around them seem so inhibited.

Maybe focus less on what others are doing..
Yes, but first-time users just do not know any better
What is your personal experience with MDMA? Have you ever actually taken it?
 
I was requested as a chaperone for a younger family member.
Anyone who goes to a rave to 'observe' people so that they can post their 'findings' on the internet needn't wonder why people around them seem so inhibited.
Wait a minute! Indigoaura was a chaperone there for a much younger person. Being clear-headed in such an arrangement was a sign of responsibility.

What is your personal experience with MDMA? Have you ever actually taken it?
Yes, that's why I think it is wrong that some first-time users are denied the same experience.
 
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Anyone who goes to a rave to 'observe' people so that they can post their 'findings' on the internet needn't wonder why people around them seem so inhibited.

Maybe focus less on what others are doing..

What is your personal experience with MDMA? Have you ever actually taken it?

Indigo is a rave-veteran, and I support what she did. (She literally did nothing but observe, NOT STARE. Very different) She was being a chaperone for a younger crowd, get off your high horse. lol. You also say this like we cant simply observe while having fun. Im a very observant person. I notice people and things happening around me. You know, people arent just staring at others to see what their reactions are. We just notice it. Shes just vigilant.

She did exactly what needs to be done for this threads purpose. (remember, we are literally trying to find out whats wrong with mdma, and shes a big contributor here) She just watched people on mdma. :p
 
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Indigo is a rave-veteran, and I support what she did. (She literally did nothing but observe, NOT STARE. Very different) She was being a chaperone for a younger crowd, get off your high horse. lol. You also say this like we cant simply observe while having fun. Im a very observant person. I notice people and things happening around me. You know, people arent just staring at others to see what their reactions are. We just notice it. Shes just vigilant.

She did exactly what needs to be done for this threads purpose. (remember, we are literally trying to find out whats wrong with mdma, and shes a big contributor here) She just watched people on mdma. :p
Totslly agree with you angle and interpretation and fully disputes the misinterpretation in question.

Indigo was only being her natural self it's not like she said "right I'm going to get my backpack and notebook and go to this event and watch everybody and make observations, like a good Girl Scout!"

As was misinterpreted. She just was herself, she wasn't going to the event in the usual frame of mind and circumstance with the same intentions and mindset it was more or performing a role, a service for a friend.

And once there, she just happened to make a series of very interesting observations, for good reasons, with a healthy and useful purpose.

It was interesting to her, it was all very natural. I don't see the need to question, mock or reproach that at all. Perfectly understandable and with good purpose.

I felt her post and comments added to the topic, it was an interesting insight into an already interesting phenomena to myself personally- the outward appearance of ecstasy users.

It actually brought back quite a few memories of what people used to look like back in the day. I remembered a particular batch of Elephant pills we were taking one weekend over 3 days I took 24 they were the best of the best pretty much easily over 100mg probably 130 to 150mg of the best MDMA.

It was commonplace to take a lot of pills back then for most people and and people were double and triple dropping them which was totally unnecessary.

I remember when I got to the venue an indoor apartment, on the friday night before dropping- there were two young guys who had taken 3 each and walked a long way back from the other side of town at night.

Man you should have seen the site and the state of these guys sitting on the couch.

They barely looked human they were literally melting and morphine and warping before my straight eyes no exaggeration.

Gurning like hell they looked like a Salvador Dali painting or melting wax figures.

Such a bizarre and captivating site almost gruesome to see somebody in that visibly altered state.

Not sure I have a point, but what a sight.
 
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A couple weeks ago I took some MDMA crystal, was a little gray-ish, didn't have high hopes for the batch and right I was, I took 150mg (had taken LSD about 8 hours before) and came up hard and fast but it developed into nothing. Better than 2 seriously underwhelming MDMA experiences I've had before but still disappointing.

I had a great 150mg pill the month before so I haven't given up hope completely, it mostly sucks because I can't trust anyone when it comes to what they say about batches.
 
And this particular comment, how brash, abrasive, unnecessary and to be honest, downright patronising:

"What is your personal experience with MDMA? Have you ever actually taken it?"


I mean, indigo has been 100% open about her own longtime experience with MDMA. It doesn't take much reading of this thread or a quick look at some of her posts or to actually remember surely having read them....

So to completely miss that information or not take it in the first place and then patronisingly reproach in that manner, with such an alloof defiant attitude, just ridiculous IMO.
You might want to re-read that.
It was a question for someone who only talks about other people's experiences with MDMA, never his own.. wtf has that got to do with indigo?
 
Totslly agree with you angle and interpretation and fully disputes the silly misinterpretation in question. Some people just have a tendency to misinterpret things.

Indigo was only being her natural self it's not like she said r"ight I'm going to get my backpack and notebook and go to this event and watch everybody and make observations, like a good Girl Scout!"

As was misinterpreted literally in a silly sense. She just was herself, she wasn't going to the event in the usual frame of mind and circumstance with the same intentions and mindset it was more or performing a role, a service for a friend.

And once there, she just happened to make a series of very interesting observations, for good reasons, with a healthy and useful purpose.

It was interesting to her, it was all very natural. I don't see the need to question, mock or reproach that at all. Perfectly understandable and with good purpose.

I felt her post and comments added to the topic, it was an interesting insight into an already interesting phenomena to myself personally- the outward appearance of ecstasy users.

It actually brought back quite a few memories of what people used to look like back in the day. I remembered a particular batch of Elephant pills we were taking one weekend over 3 days I took 24 they were the best of the best pretty much easily over 100mg probably 130 to 150mg of the best MDMA.

It was commonplace to take a lot of pills back then for most people and and people were double and triple dropping them which was totally unnecessary.

I remember when I got to the venue an indoor apartment, on the friday night before dropping- there were two young guys who had taken 3 each and walked a long way back from the other side of town at night.

Man you should have seen the site and the state of these guys sitting on the couch.

They barely looked human they were literally melting and morphine and warping before my straight eyes no exaggeration.

Gurning like hell they looked like a Salvador Dali painting or melting wax figures.

Such a bizarre and captivating site almost gruesome to see somebody in that visibly altered state.

Not sure I have a point, but what a sight.

Thanks auto, a well thought out and written response. Exactly my points. Thanks for re-iterating that.
 
A couple weeks ago I took some MDMA crystal, was a little gray-ish, didn't have high hopes for the batch and right I was, I took 150mg (had taken LSD about 8 hours before) and came up hard and fast but it developed into nothing. Better than 2 seriously underwhelming MDMA experiences I've had before but still disappointing.

I had a great 150mg pill the month before so I haven't given up hope completely, it mostly sucks because I can't trust anyone when it comes to what they say about batches.

Bummer. :( Lots of evidence suggest that grey-ish mdma is coming from the helional route. Doesnt really help our concern, as it sounds like that was "meh" as well.
 
You might want to re-read that.
It was a question for someone who only talks about other people's experiences with MDMA, never his own.. wtf has that got to do with indigo?

Yea @AutoTripper this response here was geared towards @Glubrahnum . I actually had the same curiosity, i mean, you dont care about this topic if you hadnt experienced the magic. I figured they had used mdma before at one point.
 
You might want to re-read that.
It was a question for someone who only talks about other people's experiences with MDMA, never his own.. wtf has that got to do with indigo?
I know, and I am very sorry. That was a bad mistake I made, as it effected now I percieved your post. I noticed and edoted my post, Im sorry I was surely more narsh towards you owing to my misread. I am a hypocrit on top.

I still did not feel that your own interpretation of Indigo's post and experience was fair or accurate. But I misread things skimming through. I usually do better to be a nicer person, I let myself down occasionally and no excuse for that.

Bearing good will and openess towards others are core principles to me always, sometimes life just hurts and you can lose sight in the moment.

So please accept my apology for so dumbly misreading things, and for not being very nice. Im ashamed actually, I edited my not nice comments and man I am such a hypocrite, calling your own misinterpretation as I saw it silly and saying how some people have a tendency to misinterpret things lol! If I wasn't so embarrassed I would laugh at myself.

I stand by my view of course. I never was very good at making these observations myself. I was normally the gorilla at the zoo being observed myself lol!

But reading her post did trigger something in me because I have long forgotten this phenomena of what it used to be like to be at parties and see the states of the people there.

And there was such a wide range of the types of appearance and behaviour and intoxication you would see. Good I would love to go to one of these places now with my vision and wits about me and make such observations because I know it would be fascinating.

I used to get so off my face myself and I was not really paying attention to others as you allude to in your original comments, I was just in the moment being me doing my own thing and I left everyone else to their own devices and free will.

And my vision was always compromised whenever I took MDMA so I was not really paying too much attention to my surroundings it was always an inner transcendental and spiritual experience for me.

But I can really appreciate what it would be like to make a series of observations in such a place.
 
Yea @AutoTripper this response here was geared towards @Glubrahnum . I actually had the same curiosity, i mean, you dont care about this topic if you hadnt experienced the magic. I figured they had used mdma before at one point.
Thanks for reality checking me. I realised and edited, I just skimmed through and my vision/perception is a little substance effected right now from a very enjoyable combo of Green Malay Kratom and cannabis edible.

Superb synergy, much greater euphoria from the Kratom, its long steady uplifting peak goes perfectly with the steady, gradual lasting relaxation of the edible.


So I was careless in my reading. Thanks man.

Oh I did also have that same curiosity myself, so I can totally relate to that perfectly reasonable question from @Kaden_Nite , making me an even bigger hypocrite right?
 
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Sorry to bust in and talk this way, but what is the point of this thread? The topic is useful but at 141 pages I don't even know what to do with it. I did come here to find out what's wrong with MDMA. Should I just start at page 1 and go from there, or should I make a whole new thread?
 
Sorry to bust in and talk this way, but what is the point of this thread? The topic is useful but at 141 pages I don't even know what to do with it. I did come here to find out what's wrong with MDMA. Should I just start at page 1 and go from there, or should I make a whole new thread?
I think a lot of progress has been made fairly freshly here. Some very clever heads have joined together to brainstorm, with smart chemists. It has all gone over my head, but the sense and consensus is that the beginnings of an explanation are potentially starting to form.

But it could still be a fair way off because if anything multiple different avenues of exploration have been highlighted just recently I think.

If you check out the last 10 pages or so if you can translate the chemistry gobbledygook lol, that may be be of interest to you.

You asked a good question though and I'm sure at some point down the line there will be some sort of revision or new thread which is much more on track and closer to the matter at heart with a better understanding and ideally some more information and evidence by that stage.

Until then it is still a work in progress and I'm not sure what to suggest.
 
Sorry to bust in and talk this way, but what is the point of this thread? The topic is useful but at 141 pages I don't even know what to do with it. I did come here to find out what's wrong with MDMA. Should I just start at page 1 and go from there, or should I make a whole new thread?

Nah, just do what I do - take shitloads of MDMA and draw your own conclusions... ;)
 
Sorry to bust in and talk this way, but what is the point of this thread? The topic is useful but at 141 pages I don't even know what to do with it. I did come here to find out what's wrong with MDMA. Should I just start at page 1 and go from there, or should I make a whole new thread?

There's a summary post which has a table including posts with all the pertinent information. It was just referenced recently, though I'm not sure where it is. I did a search in the thread and couldn't find it immediately.
 
Thanks for reality checking me. I realised and edited, I just skimmed through and my vision/perception is a little substance effected right now from a very enjoyable combo of Green Malay Kratom and cannabis edible.

Superb synergy, much greater euphoria from the Kratom, its long steady uplifting peak goes perfectly with the steady, gradual lasting relaxation of the edible.


So I was careless in my reading. Thanks man.

Oh I did also have that same curiosity myself, so I can totally relate to that perfectly reasonable question from @Kaden_Nite , making me an even bigger hypocrite right?

No worries! Maybe one day the active people here can smoke a j with you near your bed! haha Id love that.

Sorry to bust in and talk this way, but what is the point of this thread? The topic is useful but at 141 pages I don't even know what to do with it. I did come here to find out what's wrong with MDMA. Should I just start at page 1 and go from there, or should I make a whole new thread?

The point of the thread, becomes very obvious when you start to read it. 141 pages, really isnt that long. Start reading! Also, there was a summary recently.
 
It was a question for someone who only talks about other people's experiences with MDMA, never his own.
My personal account was posted in this thread long time ago.

Yea @AutoTripper this response here was geared towards @Glubrahnum . I actually had the same curiosity, i mean, you don't care about this topic if you hadn't experienced the magic.
I agree. That's why it bothers me that some first-time users are missing out on that first experience and are drawing the wrong conclusions about the effects of this substance.
 
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