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@G_Chem just want to check something. For the HCL solution part of the A/B extraction you wrote dilute to 5%. If I have a 0.1M solution, should I dilute 50/50 water/HCL to give 0.05 or have I misunderstood. Not sure about conventions used.
 
I don’t know if relevant or not, but maybe fore someone it may give a clue. I’ve previously written about how MehMDMA have no synergy with 2C-B as real MDMA does. More of a contrary effect. Yesterday I took 150 mg of 3-FEA with a 50 mg booster. I prefer 3-FEA to MehMDMA, though their effect is really similar – except for the 3-FEA long lingering insomnia. Anyhow, today I took 75 mcg ALD-52. No tolerance since I’ve abstained from psychedelics the past 2 weeks. I did get effect, but it was clearly muted and I could fall asleep after 5 hours! Normally it would be impossible for 10-12 h. So it seems a fair guess that both MehMDMA and 3-FEA both messes with psychedelic receptors in a similar way while real MDMA doesn’t (or does it in a different way). Just my 2 cents for today :^)
 
PsychedelicSummer said:
I could fall asleep after 5 hours! Normally it would be impossible for 10-12 h.
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You normally cannot sleep for 10-12h after 3-FEA or after ALD-25 ?

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No tolerance since I’ve abstained from psychedelics the past 2 weeks.
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That's enough to recover from tolerance to ALD-25 or LSD-25 but not enough to recover from 3-FEA.
1 day break is not enough to recover from 3-FEA even more.
 
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I don’t know if relevant or not, but maybe fore someone it may give a clue. I’ve previously written about how MehMDMA have no synergy with 2C-B as real MDMA does. More of a contrary effect. Yesterday I took 150 mg of 3-FEA with a 50 mg booster. I prefer 3-FEA to MehMDMA, though their effect is really similar – except for the 3-FEA long lingering insomnia. Anyhow, today I took 75 mcg ALD-52. No tolerance since I’ve abstained from psychedelics the past 2 weeks. I did get effect, but it was clearly muted and I could fall asleep after 5 hours! Normally it would be impossible for 10-12 h. So it seems a fair guess that both MehMDMA and 3-FEA both messes with psychedelic receptors in a similar way while real MDMA doesn’t (or does it in a different way). Just my 2 cents for today :^)
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It may not necrssarily be messing with the psychedellic receptors as such.
It might be, I just want to suggest that the trip had far less potential at that time because you are essentially depleted in various ways, which needs a little more time to restore.

So the real governing link could be any of a number if things, or just general and not anything specific.

I mean, just going by my own gut feelings from experience and subconscious thought I guess, it's almost a case of available mental energy sometimes. We try to kid ourselves, but we only can expend so much.

And I also reason that this is another way these experiences can be so beneficial, by enabling us to release excess, stuck, unhealthy or abundant energy in an enjoyable and ideally overall positive and enjoyable way.

Sorry not even disagreeing just being typically philosophical. So much feeling and pictute book memories come to me when I read all your accounts, so I try to tap into that to make sense of my own observations.
 
Glubrahnum said:
You normally cannot sleep for 10-12h after 3-FEA or after ALD-25 ?
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After ALD-52, but almost that long after 3-FEA too.

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That's enough to recover from tolerance to ALD-25 or LSD-25 but not enough to recover from 3-FEA.
1 day brak is not enough to recover from 3-FEA even more.
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Apparently not, but as I regard 3-FEA as an empathogen I was expecting it to have no cross tolerance with psychedelics, just like MDMA.
 
This will be a bit of a change of tone from all the chemistry posts, but I wanted to share some observations from an EDM event I went to.

I was requested as a chaperone for a younger family member. Her mom contacted me and asked me if I would escort her to an EDM event she wanted to go to. I had not been to this type of event in a long time, but I agreed. Although this younger family member is a legal adult, she is a bit sheltered, and the mom did not want her to go alone.

So, since I was the "chaperone," it was not the time or place to attempt to solicit the acquisition of anything, but I did observe all the attendees really carefully.

Observations:

#1. Clearly, real MDMA is still going around in certain circles. Many attendees at the event were messed up, but SOME of them exhibited the visual characteristics and behaviors that I recall from MDMA in the early 2000s.

#2. Most of the people who seemed to actually have MDMA were Asian. This reminded me of how I was always told the Asian mafia were the distributors of the product that I used to get in the area. I never knew if that was 100% true or not, but that is what I was told at the time.

#3. Out of all the people I saw who were messed up, the most obvious visual "tell" to an observer was jaw clenching/grinding. Now, obviously, some of these people could have been on meth or coke. Out of the jaw clenchers, there seemed to be two groups.
a. Group A had normal posture. Although you could see they were chewing gum/clenching/grinding there were not really any other atypical behaviors. Their eyes looked normal. They interacted with their groups in a normal way.
b. Group B had loose posture. They were frequently leaning on or touching against their group. This group was constantly touching things. They touched their own hair. They touched their friend's hair. They touched their clothes. They touched their friends clothes. Specifically, they rubbed their hands up and down hair, clothes, body parts etc. The males in this group quickly took off their shirts. The males hugged each other and openly were affectionate to each other, as well as their girlfriends. The girls in this group could not keep their hands off the boys. They were grabbing, hugging, touching, rubbing, and leaning against each other. I turned around at one point and there was so much grinding going on I thought things may progress to actual sex in short order. Their eyes were very wide. (Too dark to tell about dilation specifically.) Also, sometimes you could literally see their eyes roll back in their head so all you saw were the whites of the eyes (reminded me that there was a reason "rolling" became the slang). This group danced most of the time (although sometimes sloppily), but sometimes needed to sit down for a minute before going back to dancing.

#4. There were people who were obviously messed up, but did not exhibit obvious jaw clenching. These people stood very still. They did not dance. They stared straight ahead. It was almost alarming how still they were in the sea of dancing. I was stone cold sober, I was not drinking or doing anything. I danced non-stop from 8 pm until midnight (and I had been awake since 5 am). My younger companion was also totally sober and she did the same thing. So, all these "walking dead" attendees who were so stony faced stood out.

To summarize - "Group B" appeared to have legit MDMA. They looked like everyone I remember doing E from "back in the day." The need to touch & be touched is key to me. Their joy overflowed and it was infectious. It was one specific group of people who exhibited these characteristics, and they seemed to know each other. I saw only a handful of other people exhibiting these signs outside of that one group. As we walked out, I saw some additional people who were not able to walk out and were puddled against the walls rubbing each other and leaning on each other.

If I had to assign percentages to every group I would say about 30% of people seemed to be sober or drunk, 20% stared ahead blankly and were still, 35% clenched their jaws but acted normal, and 15% clenched jaws and were touchy feely and all over each other.

The jaw clenching, touchy feely, dancing group looked exactly like all of us used to look at parties. They had what I want, for sure.
 
I will add this too...I can guarantee that if I took MehDMA and went to the same event, I would have been standing very still and staring straight ahead.
 
indigoaura said:
I will add this too...I can guarantee that if I took MehDMA and went to the same event, I would have been standing very still and staring straight ahead.
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Happened to me many times the past few years. Trust me, you dont wanna be there. Its so confusing to be at your favorite place but being like "meh" lol
 
indigoaura said:
This will be a bit of a change of tone from all the chemistry posts, but I wanted to share some observations from an EDM event I went to.

I was requested as a chaperone for a younger family member. Her mom contacted me and asked me if I would escort her to an EDM event she wanted to go to. I had not been to this type of event in a long time, but I agreed. Although this younger family member is a legal adult, she is a bit sheltered, and the mom did not want her to go alone.

So, since I was the "chaperone," it was not the time or place to attempt to solicit the acquisition of anything, but I did observe all the attendees really carefully.

Observations:

#1. Clearly, real MDMA is still going around in certain circles. Many attendees at the event were messed up, but SOME of them exhibited the visual characteristics and behaviors that I recall from MDMA in the early 2000s.

#2. Most of the people who seemed to actually have MDMA were Asian. This reminded me of how I was always told the Asian mafia were the distributors of the product that I used to get in the area. I never knew if that was 100% true or not, but that is what I was told at the time.

#3. Out of all the people I saw who were messed up, the most obvious visual "tell" to an observer was jaw clenching/grinding. Now, obviously, some of these people could have been on meth or coke. Out of the jaw clenchers, there seemed to be two groups.
a. Group A had normal posture. Although you could see they were chewing gum/clenching/grinding there were not really any other atypical behaviors. Their eyes looked normal. They interacted with their groups in a normal way.
b. Group B had loose posture. They were frequently leaning on or touching against their group. This group was constantly touching things. They touched their own hair. They touched their friend's hair. They touched their clothes. They touched their friends clothes. Specifically, they rubbed their hands up and down hair, clothes, body parts etc. The males in this group quickly took off their shirts. The males hugged each other and openly were affectionate to each other, as well as their girlfriends. The girls in this group could not keep their hands off the boys. They were grabbing, hugging, touching, rubbing, and leaning against each other. I turned around at one point and there was so much grinding going on I thought things may progress to actual sex in short order. Their eyes were very wide. (Too dark to tell about dilation specifically.) Also, sometimes you could literally see their eyes roll back in their head so all you saw were the whites of the eyes (reminded me that there was a reason "rolling" became the slang). This group danced most of the time (although sometimes sloppily), but sometimes needed to sit down for a minute before going back to dancing.

#4. There were people who were obviously messed up, but did not exhibit obvious jaw clenching. These people stood very still. They did not dance. They stared straight ahead. It was almost alarming how still they were in the sea of dancing. I was stone cold sober, I was not drinking or doing anything. I danced non-stop from 8 pm until midnight (and I had been awake since 5 am). My younger companion was also totally sober and she did the same thing. So, all these "walking dead" attendees who were so stony faced stood out.

To summarize - "Group B" appeared to have legit MDMA. They looked like everyone I remember doing E from "back in the day." The need to touch & be touched is key to me. Their joy overflowed and it was infectious. It was one specific group of people who exhibited these characteristics, and they seemed to know each other. I saw only a handful of other people exhibiting these signs outside of that one group. As we walked out, I saw some additional people who were not able to walk out and were puddled against the walls rubbing each other and leaning on each other.

If I had to assign percentages to every group I would say about 30% of people seemed to be sober or drunk, 20% stared ahead blankly and were still, 35% clenched their jaws but acted normal, and 15% clenched jaws and were touchy feely and all over each other.

The jaw clenching, touchy feely, dancing group looked exactly like all of us used to look at parties. They had what I want, for sure.
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I observe relatively the same. lmao @ the asian comment. Its sort of something ive noticed over the years, they always got the goods. lol.
 
Asians have very good contacts and seemly completely wizardly ways to smuggle top quality drugs into any country. If you go to south east asia and know a few people its like a god damm drug supermarket for anything you want if you have the cash and well connected circles huge amounts of different rcs you pick for your liking.

The triads in NZ have amazing mdma and meth.

High quality mdma has always been expensive in NZ compared to the rest of the world. unless buying 100 + presses at a time

At edm events among younger adults i dont see the love of mdma like i did in my young adult years through edm in australia and holland at first thought everybody had changed to using meth at events in NZ and australia. Then seeing interviews on youtube of these people claiming they on mdma with zero pupil dilaton and comming across as a major asshole.

The magic rolls always have me at the end like thank the universe for this amazing substance you truly see the potential it can do for trauma. The first time i rolled on MDMA showed me a love so great it made me love life and to be alive and finally break free from the past. Saldy i loved this feeling so much i heavily abused it for a long time i feel quite burnt these days but i just go on with my day and ignore the migraines and headaches.

I seen some new grenade presses about here aswell 180 mg mdma but im very unsure if they are good and waiting for somebody i trust to try themout before i spend cash on a expensive press
 
@indigoaura you have reminded me of a nostalgic early, almost childhood memory of learning and being excited about ecstasy. Aged 16 having just started out, or about to.

My friend's older sister's boyfriend Paul, the one I mentioned before who used to tell me about the Legendary Double Doves.

Now I remember how he really emphasized that you will always know who was on double doves in the club. And he was talking about serious old Skool days where everybody was unlike the best original e's on the planet.

He told me how he would be able to spot somebody and would always approach them to get hold up some for himself.

Like, everyone in the club was off their face on on high strength original old school MDMA Doves, Dolphins, Elephants, (No Mitzis haha), and these guys were STILL standing out.

So I can totally relate to what you describe in your observations and I bet that must have been quite an interesting and revealing experience.

How can I put it? So much to be picked up from body language and other visual cues. Much more than we consciously realise. Of course we do a lot of of perceptive processing subconsciously and unconsciously without being aware of this, hence the need to trust your "feelings" (they ain't feelings precisely calculated algebra equations and formulas which you can't afford to ignore if you want to get this right lol)

We give more away than we know, and can really learn so much about others just by taking a glance if we can trust and better tune in to our intuition.

So I can genuinely picture your experience of being in an observatory at the event, with such strikingly clear perceptions to make.
 
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...I did observe all the attendees really carefully.
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Thank you for your detailed observation. Clearly you noticed marked differences in behavior.
If you had a samples of the substances ingested by each group we would could get hard data.

It is also sad that 85% of these people might have been misled that they were on real "MDMA" and drew conclusions from it. This is especialy true about first-time users. MehMDMA seems to be the most effective weapon against MDMA proliferation.
 
Unfortunately, I haven't seen real MDMA in my city in a long time. I'm sure it's out there somewhere, just not in my circles.

I got 2 X pills from somebody a few months ago. Didn't have a marquis reagent test yet when I took the first one. I just felt speedy and zoned out for the rest of the night. No euphoria whatsoever. Finally got a test kit and tested the second pill. The reaction was clear-clear. Suspecting BZP or some other shit. Had the same experience with a couple pills about 6 years ago. Which led me to just not trusting or taking "ecstasy" anymore for quite some time.

I recently found a trustworthy source for high quality molly. I told some of my friends who still pop X pills and they had literally no interest in trying it because they've heard so many "horror stories" saying that it's cut with so many different drugs. But they're totally willing and trusting in taking these unknown pills from unreliable/inexperienced sellers. Not sure why "pure" MDMA has more stigma than these random ass pills on the street. I even tell them I can test their pills and prove it has zero MDMA in it. But they're either just stubborn or completely ignorant... I guess as long as people are happy and keep buying bullshit, people will keep producing and peddling the bullshit.
 
@delusional I feel obligated to point out that just because it is molly, that does not mean it is pure. Even if you reagent test the molly and the test looks good, that does not mean it is pure either. That is the whole focus of this thread really. Obviously there are adulterants that are not MDMA, but sometimes the MDMA itself is bad.
 
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@delusional I feel obligated to point out that just because it is molly, that does not mean it is pure. Even if you reagent test the molly and the test looks good, that does not mean it is pure either. That is the whole focus of this thread really. Obviously there are adulterants that are not MDMA, but sometimes the MDMA itself is bad.
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Got'cha! I made sure to put "pure" in quotes because I know it's not 100%. At least the stuff I can acquire isn't. Usually advertised around 90% which could also be way off. I've always passed off bad rolls as just containing no MDMA or containing other unpleasant adulterants making it shitty. I never really considered the possibility that the MDMA itself just wasn't good. Then again, I never experienced legal lab grade MDMA to compare it to like the OP has.
 
indigoaura said:
Obviously there are adulterants that are not MDMA,
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...or synthesis byproducts, or unreacted precursors, or precursor contaminants.

indigoaura said:
...but sometimes the MDMA itself is bad.
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That is impossible by itself when you define "MDMA" as pure racemic 3,4-MDMA Hydrochloride dissolved in water, in order to avoid any bioavailability issues with crystalline polymorphisms.

The remaining natural isotopic ratio viariations are not noticeable pharmacologicaly ...only forensically.
 
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Perhaps a better way to say it is that even a product that shows "MDMA" on a lab result may still produce negative/undesirable/limited effects.
 
SO I went to a renegade "Forest rave" this past weekend and noticed a wall of people on the couches just rolling sitting. no cuddling just more like huddled for warmth. Another guy was in a chair and just straight out zombified. I also asked asked someone and said, "MDMA has changed" he goes yes it def, has its why I don't touch it and my circles dont have the good shit
 
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