What is wrong with the MDMA available today?

[indigoaura]

Maybe it is a regional thing? These websites are sites where I can typically order any lab test that I could get from my doctor, and then I can get it done at the lab. However, no test for oxytocin shows up. Quest Lab, Any Lab Test Now, etc. are the major labs that you go to if you have an order from your doctor, but it is not listed there. Similarly, I don't see it on any hormone tests I have had done previously. Maybe the test is not FDA approved here?

Keep in mind, over here, medical care of any kind is a convoluted, abstracted process that makes no sense and costs a lot of $$$.

 

[psy997]

I also wonder if ordering oxytocin for IV, IM, IN, or SubQ administration during MehDMA would be useful? I'm pretty sure a few places I know sell it.

 

[ThreePointCircle]

Ok, back after a post-mehdma screw it couple of weeks.

Since my trial with an A/B extraction didn't turn lead into gold, I was wondering if there's anything worth trying next. Maybe I hadn't fully dried it out after extraction, so my dose was a bit low (any tips on drying greatly appreciated, it takes ages). Otherwise, if contaminants are the issue, then presumably they're sticking with the mdma during the a/b extraction?

Anything worth trying next?

 

[Phobos]

Ok, back after a post-mehdma screw it couple of weeks.

Since my trial with an A/B extraction didn't turn lead into gold, I was wondering if there's anything worth trying next. Maybe I hadn't fully dried it out after extraction, so my dose was a bit low (any tips on drying greatly appreciated, it takes ages). Otherwise, if contaminants are the issue, then presumably they're sticking with the mdma during the a/b extraction?

Anything worth trying next?

After A/B, do an acetone wash, then apply gentle heat and it will be dry in 30 minutes tops.
I put the MDMA in a metal cup and use a heater fan as the airflow is not very strong so it can stay close enough to heat the crystals but not send any flying.
Do not use a hairdryer.

 

[Glubrahnum]

Anything worth trying next?

How about sending the fraction not containing MDMA for professional lab analysis. This is the antisolvent fraction that you normally throw away. It is supposed to contain the contaminants that were soluble/insoluble in the solvent that MDMA was not.
Of course evaporate the solvents before sending the crap in.

Otherwise, if contaminants are the issue, then presumably they're sticking with the MDMA during the a/b extraction?

If this is true then sending the "crap fraction" for analysis will be useless.
You can try the A/B extraction with different solvents with the hope that one of them will affect the mysterious contaminant differently.

Last, but not least, you can do the TLC analysis at home with the system of solvents of your choice. On a professional store-bought TLC plate ...or even on a piece of paper - if you're cheap.
TLC is easier than A/B extraction and requires only a small sample.

The homemade TLC analysis makes the most sense when one can compare the MehMDMA with the MagicMDMA side-by-side.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

TLC is not going to tell apart mehmdma from magic mdma. TLC is a very low tier way of looking at compounds and is only used by organic chemists to see if their reaction is going foward. No need to fraction anything for analysis HPLC mass spec will show fragments of whatever is in the product down to the microgram containtments

 

[indigoaura]

Been reading listings. Came across a vendor who makes some interesting claims.

First, this listing claims to be washed and re-crystalized and "made in the USA." The vendor calls most products available, "Dutch Dirt" and "Dirty Imports" contaminated with "mercury salts."

We've found about 15% of the super-lab product is mercury chloride and unfiltered solids -- giving it the tan color. Removing these by products is best accomplished by repeated washing of the MDMA oil base BEFORE CRYSTALLIZATION. Best results require washing until the distilled water (DH2O) used for the wash separates from the MDMA oil base solution and is still clean & crystal clear.

Thoughts?

 

[Deleted member 521610]

Been reading listings. Came across a vendor who makes some interesting claims.

First, this listing claims to be washed and re-crystalized and "made in the USA." The vendor calls most products available, "Dutch Dirt" and "Dirty Imports" contaminated with "mercury salts."



Thoughts?

I think more tan colour is unreacated md2p2 oils. I have been tested for mercury and im fine due to my work enviroment. If any was left in mdma product it would be troublesome for myself.

I trust very few vendors they are all full of shit and selling dubious quality stuff i stick to the traditional of human to human contacts who bring it through international gangs. All that so called darknet mdma i see young adults on at music festivals or trance parties seems to be trash they have no pupil dilation just grinding there jaw and been a asshole.

 

[indigoaura]

i stick to the traditional of human to human contacts

That would be great if I had any actual human contacts. Everyone I knew in "the scene" has long ago retired to suburban mini van life.

 

[AutoTripper]

If any was left in mdma product it would be troublesome for myself.

Haha, so you are one of the unlucky few who Mercury isn't so good for! It's true what they say, " one man's potion is another man's poison."

Haha sorry man I can't resist a joke, I am intrigued by what you say about mercury testing. You got my imagination firing as to your meaning.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

Haha, so you are one of the unlucky few who Mercury isn't so good for! It's true what they say, " one man's potion is another man's poison."

Haha sorry man I can't resist a joke, I am intrigued by what you say about mercury testing. You got my imagination firing as to your meaning.

i had my blood tested by a doctor after working with mercury for a few years

 

[AutoTripper]

i had my blood tested by a doctor after working with mercury for a few years

Thanks for elaborating. My imagination really likes to dress things up though before it considers the Logical explanations.

So I was trying to envisage a work situation whereby you had to have your mercury levels tested frequently and they need it to be below a certain level for you to work there and also that there was Mercury exposure at your work call it a "double whammy" as they say in England am I really hate that phrase as well.

So that when your MDMA pills also contain Mercury your levels are elevated above the safety level and your working environment will therefore be even more dangerous to you.

Haha that is the sort of scenario I was running through my head, thankfully you have laid this delusion of mind to rest just in time so I can get a good night's sleep hehe.

 

[Glubrahnum]

TLC is a very low tier way of looking at compounds... No need to fraction anything for analysis HPLC mass spec will show fragments of whatever is in the product down to the microgram containtments

Of course HPLC + MS is superior, however TLC can be done at home,

TLC is a very low tier way of looking at compounds and is only used by organic chemists to see if their reaction is going forward.

I disagree,
Any chromatography (including TLC) can be used to separate and count the components of the sample and differentiate between these components... not only "to see if the reaction is going forward".

This is useful to visualize the solubility of different components in different solvents during the A/B purification.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

Im a chemist TLC is a laughable joke that undergrads do in a lab to see if their starting material has reacted. Isomer chromatography is a another beast and involves running columns in substrates that will isolate between them

 

[Glubrahnum]

The vendor calls most products available, "Dutch Dirt" and "Dirty Imports" contaminated with "mercury salts."

When such words are used in marketing texts it is an indication, that the dissatisfaction with some of the product is widespread.

We've found about 15% of the super-lab product is mercury chloride and unfiltered solids

Indeed mercuric chloride is used with some MDMA synths, but if the "unfiltered solids" were a minority of that 15%, we would read many reports of dead and permanently damaged people.

contaminated with "mercury salts."

If you want to find out about the mercury salts, dissolve 100mg of the suspect powder in half a liter (17 fl oz.) of deionized water and take it to your local water testing center. Present it as water from your new well to be tested for mercury content and other toxic elements.

There are many of such water testing centers in my area for people to test the water from the wells they dig up.
If the government subsidizes them, they can be very cheap or even free.

 

[Glubrahnum]

Im a chemist TLC is a laughable joke that undergrads do in a lab to see if their starting material has reacted. Isomer chromatography is a another beast and involves running columns in substrates that will isolate between them

Yes, it can be used for reaction monitoring, but not only for that.
Yes, other chromatography techniques are another beasts, but ThreePointCircle can do TLC at home to have some feedback about his A/B purification. Right now he is operating blindly.

If you want to lend him a HPLC machine with a MS detector, I think he will be eternally grateful.

 

[indigoaura]

The vendor I found replied to my queries and indicates that he/she uses a fractional vacuum distillation to purify MDP2P and Al Hg synthesis. Also indicated that the MDP2P is synthesized from natural safrole. I asked if the product was fully active at doses below 100 mg, and the response was yes. Seems like a good contender for my next test, which will most likely not be until the end of the year. So, at that point, I will have had a 6 month break.

I revealed a bit of our conversation here, and am curious to see what the vendor thinks. Clearly, he/she has noticed the same issue with the Dutch product.

 

[Glubrahnum]

The vendor I found replied to my queries and indicates that he/she uses a fractional vacuum distillation to purify MDP2P and Al Hg synthesis.

Since he is admitting to using mercury in his synth method, he's either telling the truth or is too ignorant to falsly claim a different synth route.
Anyway, test it for mercury content if you care about your health.
Besides the local water testing centers, this Canadian company is offering a free testing service if you express interest in their toxic metal scavenging products.

 

[indigoaura]

@Glubrahnum - Would you please provide a brief overview of what synth methods contain mercury? I thought that the synth from organic safrole was the synth more likely to produce the magic product (based on what we have talked about here). Is that not what we are looking for? Isn't one of the potential explanations the shift from the safrole Al Hg synthesis to other routes? Would acetone wash and re-crystallization remove mercury contaminants? Vendor also claims multiple acetone washes and re-crystallization.

 

[indigoaura]

Would this work: http://www.filterwater.com/p-344-mercury-drinking-water-test-kit-boris.aspx