Conspiracy Theories (“Alternative Research”)

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

WHY IS SHE EVEN VISITING AN ISLAND THAT HAS A WEIRD TEMPLE AND IS A PLACE FOR UNDERAGE SEX ORGIES?? IS SHE GOING FOR COCONUTS AND PINEAPPLES??? If Trump went there you'd be drawing up speculative blueprints based on every alleged, depraved act that Trump committed. And women of course can are are often pedophiles. I'm not saying Hillary is but "women are rarely pedophiles" is some nonsense claptrap.

Yes women can be just as likely to be paedos, or sex abusers.

Female paedophiles: Why women sexually abuse children

As a woman is jailed for her part in running a 'depraved' child sex abuse ring, Radhika Sanghani speaks to experts about what motivates female abusers

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[JessFR]

Uhh, did you actually read that article? Cause my read of it is the article says female sexual abusers are indeed much rarer than men, it's just that they do in fact exist.

Women are not just as likely to be pedophiles. I'd want a lot of evidence before I'd believe that because it goes completely against everything I've seen and read to date.

 

[yepyepwoah]

JessFR thanks for the kind opening to roast ya, toast ya, and burn ya house down.

Uhh, did you actually read that article? Cause my read of it is the article says female sexual abusers are indeed much rarer than men, it's just that they do in fact exist.

Women are not just as likely to be pedophiles. I'd want a lot of evidence before I'd believe that because it goes completely against everything I've seen and read to date.

Men Are Raped Almost as Often as Women in America. We Need to Talk About This.

Last year the National Crime Victimization Survey turned up a remarkable statistic. In asking 40,000 households about rape and sexual violence, the...

slate.com

Last year the National Crime Victimization Survey turned up a remarkable statistic. In asking 40,000 households about rape and sexual violence, the survey uncovered that 38 percent of incidents were against men. The number seemed so high that it prompted researcher Lara Stemple to call the Bureau of Justice Statistics to see if it maybe it had made a mistake, or changed its terminology. After all, in years past men had accounted for somewhere between 5 and 14 percent of rape and sexual violence victims. But no, it wasn’t a mistake, officials told her, although they couldn’t explain the rise beyond guessing that maybe it had something to do with the publicity surrounding former football coach Jerry Sandusky and the Penn State sex abuse scandal.

For some kinds of victimization, men and women have roughly equal experiences. Stemple concluded that we need to “completely rethink our assumptions about sexual victimization,” and especially our fallback model that men are always the perpetrators and women the victims.

For years, the FBI defined forcible rape, for data collecting purposes, as “the carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will.” Eventually localities began to rebel against that limited gender-bound definition; in 2010 Chicago reported 86,767 cases of rape but used its own broader definition, so the FBI left out the Chicago stats. Finally, in 2012, the FBI revised its definition and focused on penetration, with no mention of female (or force).

Sounds like a set up to keep the statistics skewed to me.

, “The Sexual Victimization of Men in America: New Data Challenge Old Assumptions,” co-written with Ilan Meyer and published in the April 17 edition of the American Journal of Public Health. One of those surveys is the 2010 National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey, for which the Centers for Disease Control invented a category of sexual violence called “being made to penetrate.” This definition includes victims who were forced to penetrate someone else with their own body parts, either by physical force or coercion, or when the victim was drunk or high or otherwise unable to consent. When those cases were taken into account, the rates of nonconsensual sexual contact basically equalized, with 1.270 million women and 1.267 million men claiming to be victims of sexual violence.

Should we not at least re think our narrative given this new factual information?

We might assume, for example, that if a man has an erection he must want sex, especially because we assume men are sexually insatiable. But imagine if the same were said about women. The mere presence of physiological symptoms associated with arousal does not in fact indicate actual arousal, much less willing participation. And the high degree of depression and dysfunction among male victims of sexual abuse backs this up. At the very least, the phrase remedies an obvious injustice. Under the old FBI definition, what happened to Rafael Yglesias would only have counted as rape if he’d been an 8-year-old girl. Accepting the term “made to penetrate” helps us understand that trauma comes in all forms.

A recent analysis of BJS data, for example, turned up that 46 percent of male victims reported a female perpetrator.

The final outrage in Stemple and Meyer’s paper involves inmates, who aren’t counted in the general statistics at all. In the last few years, the BJS did two studies in adult prisons, jails, and juvenile facilities. The surveys were excellent because they afforded lots of privacy and asked questions using very specific, informal, and graphic language. (“Did another inmate use physical force to make you give or receive a blow job?”) Those surveys turned up the opposite of what we generally think is true. Women were more likely to be abused by fellow female inmates, and men by guards, and many of those guards were female. For example, of juveniles reporting staff sexual misconduct, 89 percent were boys reporting abuse by a female staff member. In total, inmates reported an astronomical 900,000 incidents of sexual abuse.

Sounds like inmates aren't counted cuz we are slaves. Sounds about right...

 

[cduggles]

JessFR made a comment about perpetrators, not victims.

The only piece that is possibly pertinent is the prisoner piece, which isn’t generalizable.

I’m just going by the citations in this post.

 

[yepyepwoah]

Well i would posit, that 89% of boys being abused by a female staff member is indicative of a larger trend.

Is that too much thinkin for most people you think?

 

[cduggles]

I stated it was the only piece that was possibly relevant.

However, just the fact that we’re looking at a captive juvenile criminal population and females guards, who are by definition self-selected, makes it non-generalizable. It doesn’t mean that it’s not a problem in that environment.

 

[JessFR]

Unless I'm totally missing something, and if I am someone please point it out to me...

The point I made was that women are very unlikely to be pedophiles. That the very significant majority of pedophiles are men. I'd also argue that a somewhat less substantial majority of violent sex offenders are men.

Nothing I've seen posted here has seemed to place the accuracy of that statement into doubt.

 

[yepyepwoah]

Unless I'm totally missing something, and if I am someone please point it out to me...

The point I made was that women are very unlikely to be pedophiles. That the very significant majority of pedophiles are men. I'd also argue that a somewhat less substantial majority of violent sex offenders are men.

Nothing I've seen posted here has seemed to place the accuracy of that statement into doubt.

Are there any national pedophile statistics you can show me? I feel that is something that should be easy to prove.

Yah. 89% of young guys at juvrnile facilities getting sex assaulted by women doesnt prove women are pedophiles.

I mean if you want it all spelled out and cant think for yourselves we cant help you.

 

[cduggles]

Is that the royal “we”? ?

What if there were 11 total cases of juvenile sexual abuse reported in the entire system? What if women are preferentially hired to guard juveniles for some reason? I can list a dozen reasons why this report is incomplete in important ways.

The paper isn’t available to individuals who don’t have an account, so I have to go off the citation, which is insufficient to draw firm conclusions.

I’m not even sure what conclusion you are trying to draw.

And as I mentioned, an incarcerated population and the people who guard them are hardly representative of the population or behavior of the population at large.

Do “we” understand?

 

[yepyepwoah]

Is that the royal “we”? ?

What if there were 11 total cases of juvenile sexual abuse reported in the entire system? What if women are preferentially hired to guard juveniles for some reason? I can list a dozen reasons why this report is incomplete in important ways.

The paper isn’t available to individuals who don’t have an account, so I have to go off the citation, which is insufficient to draw firm conclusions.

I’m not even sure what conclusion you are trying to draw.

And as I mentioned, an incarcerated population and the people who guard them are hardly representative of the population or behavior of the population at large.

Do “we” understand?

For example, of juveniles reporting staff sexual misconduct, 89 percent were boys reporting abuse by a female staff member. In total, inmates reported an astronomical 900,000 incidents of sexual abuse.

From the article and my post. Since you cant read it seems, I will assume the rest of what u say is baisless. O.kkk???

We are defo royalty. Shoot your shot to the stars. Daughters of aristocrats chexk our swagga

 

[cduggles]

In the last few years, the BJS did two studies in adult prisons, jails, and juvenile facilities.

For example, of juveniles reporting staff sexual misconduct, 89 percent were boys reporting abuse by a female staff member. In total, inmates reported an astronomical 900,000 incidents of sexual abuse.

I don’t have any issues with reading comprehension. See bolded text.

 

[yepyepwoah]

You got me. Srry cdsnuggles.

Do you think, that maybe 11 juveniles out of 900,000 is kinda a low guess.

Do you just not wanna admit, MAYbe women are rapist and pediphiles same same but dif as men?

This is conspiracy thread , so I feel they are conspiring with faulty data to influence our opinions.

Like. Why no data on missing kids from national parks. If they cant get that together, why should i believe the data we have on kiddie rape is any more honest.w

 

[JessFR]

Are there any national pedophile statistics you can show me? I feel that is something that should be easy to prove.

Yah. 89% of young guys at juvrnile facilities getting sex assaulted by women doesnt prove women are pedophiles.

I mean if you want it all spelled out and cant think for yourselves we cant help you.

Uhh, well, it doesn't. First of all, just sexually abusing a teenager doesn't make you a pedophile. It's still terrible, bit it's not pedophilia because pedophilia is specifically the sexual attraction to prepubesents.

But putting that aside. Say we do count it as pedophilia. Even if there's lots of sexual abuse by female staff at juvinile facilities, that's a LOOOONG way from proving that there are as many female pedophiles as male pedophiles.

I never disputed female pedophiles exist, I've asserted that they're much much less common.

Now I may well go do some digging for stats, but before I do, if I do, I want to point out that I didn't make the original assertion that there are a similar number of female pedophiles, so it shouldn't be my obligation to prove.

Also it's very hard to prove a negative, if there are stats showing similar numbers of female pedophiles, that proves the premise. Not finding such statistics on the other hand doesn't disprove the premise.

Like. Why no data on missing kids from national parks. If they cant get that together, why should i believe the data we have on kiddie rape is any more honest.w

Why would there be data specifically about that? Very few children go missing never to be found again in the United States period. Let alone from national parks in particular.

EDIT:

So I did a quick search...

Psychopathology and Personality Traits of Pedophiles

Because of recent scandals, pedophilia is one of the few psychiatric disorders widely known to the general public.

www.psychiatrictimes.com

Most sexual offenders against children are male, although female offenders may account for 0.4% to 4% of convicted sexual offenders.6,7

In addition to the sources of this journal article, there's a bunch more readily available if you Google statistics of female pedophilia.

Now obviously female pedophiles are probably under reported. But they'd have to be massively under reported to even get close to men. The incarceration stats also back this up.

This isn't absolute proof, but it is strong evidence. And it's far more backed by the evidence to suggest female pedophiles and sex offenders are much much rarer than men.

In fact so far I haven't seen ANY evidence presented here that similar numbers of females are pedophiles as men. All the evidence I've seen exclusively goes to the point that such women do exist, which nobody has disputed (including myself in spite of the demonstrably false suggestion that I have).

Men and women are different. And by all appearences, one difference is that women are far less likely to engage in the perverse sexual abuse of prepubesent children than men are. And less likely to commit sex crimes in general.

 

[yepyepwoah]

You guys believe what you want. Over here in conspiracy thread land I am entitled to my gut feeling that statistics are used to create a narrative. Obfuscate the truth and lies flourish.

Now lets talk about David Paulides

How 1,600 People Disappeared on Our Public Lands

When 18-year-old Joe Keller vanished from a dude ranch in Colorado's Rio Grande National Forest, he joined the ranks of those missing on public land. No official tally exists, but their numbers are growing. And when an initial search turns up nothing, who'll keep looking?

www.outsideonline.com

Paulides, an ex-cop from San Jose, California, is the founder of the North America Bigfoot Search. His obsession shifted from Sasquatch to missing persons when, he says, he was visited at his motel near an unnamed national park by two out-of-uniform rangers who claimed that something strange was going on with the number of people missing in America’s national parks. (He wouldn’t tell me the place or even the year, “for fear the Park Service will try to put the pieces together and ID them.”) So in 2011, Paulides launched the CanAm Missing Project, which catalogs cases of people who disappear—or are found—on wildlands across North America under what he calls mysterious circumstances. He has self-published six volumes in his popular Missing 411 series, most recently Missing 411 Hunters: Unexplained Disappearances. Paulides expects Missing 411: The Movie, a documentary codirected by his son, Ben, and featuring Survivorman Les Stroud, to be released this year.

Paulides has identified 59 clusters of people missing on federal wildlands in the U.S. and southern Canada. To qualify as a cluster, there must be at least four cases; according to his pins, you want to watch your step in Yosemite, Crater Lake, Yellowstone, Grand Canyon, and Rocky Mountain National Parks. But then, it would seem you want to watch your step everywhere in the wild. The map resembles a game of pin the tail on the donkey at an amphetamine-fueled birthday party.

Paulides has spent hundreds of hours writing letters and Freedom of Information Act requests in an attempt to break through National Park Service red tape. He believes the Park Service in particular knows exactly how many people are missing but won’t release the information for fear that the sheer numbers—and the ways in which people went missing—would shock the public so badly that visitor numbers would go down.

On February 4, 2016, Keller went to Denver to attend a ceremony for the inaugural Colorado Missing Persons Day. With families of the missing gathered around them, legislators passed resolutions creating the annual event. Keller stood in the capitol, listening as his son’s name was read aloud. It was one of 300.

I wonder if those are 300 missing persons from Coloroda from all recorded time? It can't just be for one year?

Especially from what I can gather from the ole FBI on missing persons nationwide in 2014

NCIC Missing Person and Unidentified Person Statistics for 2014

NCIC Missing Person and Unidentified Person Statistics for 2014

archives.fbi.gov

NCIC Missing Persons (Monthly Totals) 2014

EMJ​

EMJ​

EME​

EME​

EMI​

EMI​

EMD​

EMD​

EMV​

EMV​

EMO​

EMO​

TOTAL​

TOTAL​

​

ENTRY​

CANCEL​

ENTRY​

CANCEL​

ENTRY​

CANCEL​

ENTRY​

CANCEL​

ENTRY​

CANCEL​

ENTRY​

CANCEL​

ENTRY​

CANCEL​

JAN​

33,905​

35,215​

3,519​

3,569​

1,465​

1,535​

2,231​

2,296​

10​

17​

6,973​

7,283​

48,103​

49,915​

FEB​

32,611​

33,055​

3,267​

3,347​

1,400​

1,443​

2,082​

2,109​

11​

12​

6,478​

6,594​

45,849​

46,560​

MAR​

38,766​

38,163​

3,540​

3,562​

1,610​

1,511​

2,400​

2,375​

58​

33​

7,402​

7,356​

53,776​

53,000​

APR​

40,197​

40,279​

3,680​

3,754​

1,609​

1,605​

2,484​

2,503​

25​

50​

7,381​

7,411​

55,376​

55,602​

MAY​

44,815​

43,137​

4,120​

4,084​

1,565​

1,533​

2,913​

2,834​

24​

22​

8,046​

7,626​

61,483​

59,236​

JUN​

38,979​

38,502​

3,885​

3,907​

1,418​

1,364​

2,820​

2,713​

18​

17​

7,947​

7,875​

55,067​

54,378​

JUL​

35,723​

36,477​

3,713​

3,808​

1,480​

1,481​

2,917​

2,901​

13​

15​

8,349​

8,275​

52,195​

52,957​

AUG​

33,964​

34,705​

4,007​

3,972​

1,509​

1,492​

2,899​

2,853​

27​

19​

8,427​

8,172​

50,833​

51,213​

SEP​

38,725​

38,936​

3,752​

3,816​

1,492​

1,469​

2,779​

2,865​

27​

26​

8,044​

8,089​

54,819​

55,201​

OCT​

41,497​

40,876​

3,784​

3,905​

1,434​

1,449​

2,853​

2,761​

21​

24​

8,018​

8,037​

57,607​

57,052​

NOV​

36,404​

36,211​

3,295​

3,300​

1,285​

1,202​

2,568​

2,602​

18​

17​

7,423​

6,987​

50,993​

50,319​

DEC​

33,963​

34,049​

3,467​

3,447​

1,364​

1,318​

2,555​

2,577​

17​

15​

7,688​

7,528​

49,054​

48,934​

COL TOT​

449,549​

449,605​

44,029​

44,471​

17,631​

17,402​

31,501​

31,389​

269​

267​

92,176​

91,233​

635,155​

634,367​

​

If I am reading this correctly, in the COL TOT at the bottom, after subtracting total cancel from total entry. That is a whopping 788 missing persons that remain missing at the end of the year.

Now the skeptic in me, thinks the National Park Service, will not release data on missing persons because it could conflict with the FBI "facts'

Don't believe it, prove me wrong. I feel, in the conspiracy thread, the onus is on the non believer.

or just call me "yepstream news" and believe what I say at face value, because it makes you feel all gooey inside!

 

[cduggles]

You guys believe what you want. Over here in conspiracy thread land I am entitled to my gut feeling that statistics are used to create a narrative.

I agree. This thread is interesting because of it. And you @yepyepwoah ?

Edit: and I definitely agree that women can be sexual predators. I’m not sure how I would define similarities and differences between men and women, but taken at face value, yes I’m sure there are women who sexually abuse others, which sux.

 

[JessFR]

Nobodies saying women can't be sexual predators.

The only thing being disputed to my knowledge is how frequently women are sexual predators or pedophiles compared to men.

I think it's probably very rare, others don't.

 

[JessFR]

You'll have to elaborate on what you think of as Russiagate for me then I'll tell you.

As for the CIA inventing the term conspiracy theory, I entirely reject that claim. I've seen what appears to be the sole document that supposedly proves that claim and I don't think it proves anything of the sort.

The irony is I think the truth is that the idea that the cia invented the term is itself something mostly invented by conspiracy theorists to shield themselves from criticism.

 

[JGrimez]

^this goes back to my claim about people willingly ignoring evidence.
You've doubled-down hard on the conspiracy theory narrative and you're not willing to let it go.

The dispatch was produced in responses to a Freedom of Information Act request by the New York Times in 1976.





Link https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015...heorists-and-ways-attack-anyone-who-challenge

I feel an urge to not engage with you further if you're going to so blatantly and brazenly deny reality.

 

[JessFR]

I've seen that document before.

Exactly where in this document is the proof that the term did not exist before then and was a deliberate fabrication by the CIA?

I even looked at the URL you provided. It has several quotes, but none of them that I saw specifically refer to the CIA consciously deciding to go forth using the term conspiracy theory as a deliberate attempt to somehow mock or undermine conspiracy theorists.

From my read of the document it seems like they're using the term as if it already existed.

 

[yepyepwoah]

Obviously the term existed before.

Saying it didn't is silly. BUT they "COIN(telpro)ed" the term to discredit people with legitimate concerns.

Here is a woman running a pedophile ring.

The high-profile trial for Liliana del Carmen Campos Puello is now underway in Cartagena, where prosecutors say she headquartered the child prostitution ring along with 17 others, The Times of London reported.


Authorities arrested the accused in a July 2018 sting known as “Operation Vesta.”


Among the horrors the child sex slaves were allegedly forced to endure, were tattoo brandings by their “owners” and sex parties on luxury yachts and hotels.


The 48-year-old buxom brunette, nicknamed “La Madame,” reportedly recruited up to 400 girls, many from poor backgrounds, to service glamorous clients, including celebrities and politicians.

Colombian Instagram model accused of running child sex trafficking ring

A Colombian Instagram model moonlighted as an international underage sex trafficking madame who recruited vulnerable girls to service celebrity clients, according to authorities. The high-profile t…

nypost.com