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The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

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So you hate trump over allegations but have no issues with the Clintons staying with Epstein because when it comes to anything a liberal done its just "allegations "
A little hypocritical
I'm getting more than a little tired and bored of the, "BUT HILLARY'S EMAILS/MONICA LEWINSKY!!!" approach to defending Trump.

The implication is that anyone who hates Trump MUST love the Clintons or Democrats in general and it is patently false.

*sigh*
 
I'm getting more than a little tired and bored of the, "BUT HILLARY'S EMAILS/MONICA LEWINSKY!!!" approach to defending Trump.

The implication is that anyone who hates Trump MUST love the Clintons or Democrats in general and it is patently false.

*sigh*
No im speaking of the Clintons visiting Epstein on his pedo island.
People bash trump but defend this pos friends.
Yes hypocrisy
 

TRUMP TRAIN USES SLAVE LABOR TO COERCE PEOPLE INTO RALLIES love it

And people wonder what the hell Trump and Kim Jong Un talked about all day.... Trump's making him proud.


I'm getting more than a little tired and bored of the, "BUT HILLARY'S EMAILS/MONICA LEWINSKY!!!" approach to defending Trump.

The implication is that anyone who hates Trump MUST love the Clintons or Democrats in general and it is patently false.

It can come off as deflection, or misdirection. And I wholly agree with you - each person should be measured on their own merits, not in comparison to others. Right is right, wrong is wrong. That others do wrong is irrelevant to this person doing wrong. But the comparison is raised because those trying to hold Trump accountable did not hold Clintons or others accountable. There is a legitimate problem being raised, but it doesn't excuse Trump from being accountable for his words and actions.

The problem IS the divide.

Disagree, at least in how I'm interpreting your statement. A divide is necessary - competition of ideas to drive creativity and a better solution is the way of evolution and survival in all senses. HOW they manage the separation, as recently evidenced by focusing on the other side's players as opposed to the ideas and how to improve society. Progress, regardless of party, requires one group to see the problems in the ideas of the other group...and to develop their own ideas that go one better. Instead, politics in the US have spent the last few decades becoming more polarized on persons than working for better ideas.

I view the left having the heart, the moral aspect of taking care of one's brother, as a core ideal and one I think is good to have. I believe their ambitions may be noble, but they lack the practicality to reach implementation. We're not seeing them learning from earlier efforts at social welfare and a productive society - it's the same old promise which cannot ever be fulfilled. Meanwhile, I look at the right as having the means and capacity for achievement, to get things done. But in what direction? Without heart it devolves into a 'fuck you, I got mine' which lets one's brother die, or at least suffer, needlessly. To me, the left has the correct intent, while the right has the practicality to achieve, and if the two could ever work together it would be ideal. Unfortunately, any idea from the other side is 'bad' and cannot be co-opted or adapted...and so we see two behemoths getting larger, and angrier, and thrashing the other....without progress for society.

But that's my take on it. We need different views, they just need to be working together rather than against one another.
 
Disagree, at least in how I'm interpreting your statement.
Look at the context. My reply was to this statement:

The problem is the same standards are not being applied to both sides of the Political divide.

I'm saying this is simply false. Take racism for example. The truth is that the left applies the same standards of racism to the left as they do the right.

Choose one. Is the left talking too much about racism or is the left simply applying it to both sides equally?
 
Look at the context. My reply was to this statement:

The problem is the same standards are not being applied to both sides of the Political divide.

Ah! I see what you mean (thanks for the reply). In your eyes, standards are applied evenly - racism (in your example), or most other socially relevant issues (transgender rights and terms, as another example perhaps?). And, each side is behaving differently in relation to these standards? If not 'sides' then persons on each side? Am I correct in understanding you? The standards aren't changing, some folks just ignore it or a graded well/poorly upon the shared standard? I very much agree on black and white standards (no pun intended) are non-negotiable and one finds themselves in violation or compliance when it comes to an issue like racism.

Then, do you believe the standard of breaking the law is being applied to equally? Do you believe Hillary and her servers and emails, and the complete dismissal of any thought of charges is being applied as evenly as the Russia Collusion allegations and investigation? To most on the right, it appears this standard is not applied evenly depending upon who applies it. I'm curious how you see it.
 
Then, do you believe the standard of breaking the law is being applied to equally? Do you believe Hillary and her servers and emails, and the complete dismissal of any thought of charges is being applied as evenly as the Russia Collusion allegations and investigation?
I do. Both Hillary and Trump have committed obscene crimes and both have essentially been cleared of criminal charges despite damning evidence, ergo both 'sides' are being excused for crimes against the American people.

I hate them all to be quite frank.

Dems want to ban guns and disarm the population and police our thoughts. Reps want to ban drug use and other civil liberties aside from gun rights and to police our thoughts in a different way (i.e. create a theocracy). Both are inexcusable and extreme infringements upon the very core of American values.
 
I do. Both Hillary and Trump have committed obscene crimes and both have essentially been cleared of criminal charges despite damning evidence, ergo both 'sides' are being excused for crimes against the American people.

The obscene crimes for Trump being 'obstruction'? I can see that, but is there something else I'm unaware of having damning evidence?

I hate them all to be quite frank.

:sigh: 'tis true too many elections come down to 'picking the lesser of two evils' unfortunatley.

Dems want to ban guns and disarm the population and police our thoughts. Reps want to ban drug use and other civil liberties aside from gun rights and to police our thoughts in a different way (i.e. create a theocracy). Both are inexcusable and extreme infringements upon the very core of American values.

My sentiment exactly. Extremes that wish to push themselves further apart, when the American people need them to come to the middle.
 
Ah! I see what you mean (thanks for the reply). In your eyes, standards are applied evenly - racism (in your example), or most other socially relevant issues (transgender rights and terms, as another example perhaps?). And, each side is behaving differently in relation to these standards?
Yes and no. Generalizations can help build an argument, but it's the same generalizations that can lead to a wider and unnecessary division.

Necessary divisions would include things like the KKK versus liberals, even though both groups talk a lot about identity politics, it's necessary to distinguish between the two as separate and different groups. When Trump says that there are good people on both sides (white supremacist versus liberals) he is shading this clearly black and white issue into a grey area. In doing so, it muddies the water for everyone.

Unnecessary divisions don't have to be so polarizing in other scenarios, but they often are by default. For example, I personally know of a couple moderate conservatives who genuinely fight against racism. My anti-racist conservative friends' voices are often shouted over by their own peers, who are mocking "the left" and consequently mock the right at the same time. It's these types of unnecessary divisions that is giving the right a bad name. This can also work vice versa. Both sides have the power to create unnecessary divisions and we are doing an incredible job at it.

Then, do you believe the standard of breaking the law is being applied to equally? Do you believe Hillary and her servers and emails, and the complete dismissal of any thought of charges is being applied as evenly as the Russia Collusion allegations and investigation? To most on the right, it appears this standard is not applied evenly depending upon who applies it. I'm curious how you see it.
This would be an example of an unnecessary division. I don't understand how so many people become lawyers in these types of discussions, but that's another story. However, to answer your question, if found guilty of a heinous crime I don't care what letter is next to their name and I have many liberal and conservative friends who feel the same way and I believe any respectable citizen would feel the same way. Take it to court, stop making assumptions. It's a disservice to everyone and unnecessarily divisive to assume anything else.

No one fits in a box neatly, but it's so tempting to be lazy and try to throw everyone we can into a nice, neat box of their own.

What I'm saying is, it's our fault we are apathetically divisive. The problem IS the divide.
 
I'm really confused here guys. Are these the Trump supporter white supremacist ?



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I do. Both Hillary and Trump have committed obscene crimes and both have essentially been cleared of criminal charges despite damning evidence, ergo both 'sides' are being excused for crimes against the American people.

What is this false equivalency?

There's no evidence that Trump did anything illegal. He even had the FBI as an organization colluding with the DOJ to try and frame/entrap him. They still failed.
If Clinton had the FBI against her the same way - instead of Comey being on her side and committing obstruction to save her - then she'd be locked up.
Trump's detractors can only wish that he was caught doing something so illlegal.
And what annoys me about leftists/liberals is that they deflect from her ("but her emails") yet if Trump did the same thing they would instantly demand he be locked up.
The hypocrisy and refusal to take accountability is beyond reprehensible.
 
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Liberals who think Trump is racist hate black and hispanic Trump supporters.
They consider them stupid and traitors of their race.
This is evident because otherwise they would not believe Trump is racist.
Ironically this makes them kinda racist.
 
This is evident because otherwise they would not believe Trump is racist.
The world is black and white and only you can see it huh?

I applaud you're heroism and purity of vision. Thank God someone like you is here to tell us the truth among so many lies.
 
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