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The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

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Actually Xorkoth Spare Ribs I give him mad prop, I kindly stood up for a longtime staffer and he actually thumbs-upped my post and I was very diplomatic. So BIG props to you Spare Ribs and thank you for trying to create a friendlier atmosphere and at least giving us some collective patience regarding getting to learn/respect one another.

Trust me I have nothing but respect for Alasdairm. He and I have radically different political views but he does a really thorough job in his logical arguments. He honestly isn't as far-left as others here, we have no reason to hate him, he's a great guy and a great CEP contributor for a long time. :) And thank you for allowing me to give you both the benefit of the doubt; I think Spare Ribs is a very opinionated but open minded guy and I love him for the open mindedness, a similar glee for pardoy/CEP comedy no matter whose joke it is at an expense of, and is willing to alternative ideas.

I see a lot of people here who mostly don't make many problems at all so I just want to help bridge the gap of understanding so we can be friendlier w/ each other. If you guys disagree use your logic - I'm not perfect and even if you don't convince me you'll certainly get some followers for your well spoken arguments. :) Quality over nastiness in arguments for sure.

Thank you Xorkoth for also helping trying to keep the peace here.
 
SPARE it's ok trust me, we're all working to love each other here and Xorky wasn't targeting YOU; he had an equally opinionated, fair-worded reason why he thought you were being "Extreme" or misguided in your opinion. I won't go that far, I just think the world of both you guys ESPECIALLY xorky he is like the coolest dude. If I could wake up as someone way cooler than me for a day I"d choose aladairm or xorky. Ya'll don't know but their lives are like 100x cooler than mine, guaranteed, in several different ways I won't enumerate here.

No one's jumping down your throat and I stood up for you because I see you trying to do the right thing it's all good <3
 
spare ribs said:
DIDNT SEE YOUR POST ch Sorry.
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yay you did see it <3

we can all love and get along

and have respectful adult-like disagreementse

like when I disagree w/ xorky I might be diplomatic like "oh but that issue isn't a good idea becaseu" or I might be "snarky" like "Oh yeah public education, worked great, let's keep educating the kids about how awesome Trump presidency is" and it's a soft troll, but no name calling, no negativity to an extreme, and then they can be like "oh captain u" aftewards and explain why it needs reform (which I am aa BIG fan of so when dems / far left say they ARE in for election reform, education reform, etc. BE ENTHUSIASTIC this is what congress needs to be doing/sometimes does w/ bipartisanship!)

and quite frankly if we can do it then we can and will demand our congress to do likewise.

we have some gerat bipartisan issues on stuff, great discussions and let's keep track of the ideas. :) :) :) thanks for seeing my post buddy
 
spare ribs said:
You sure as fuck aint listenimg,alasdair aint minorities mouthpiece i believe minorities are allowed to vote as they please they dont need a white mans guidance or permission.
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This is somewaht true, but let's stay objective there were over 1,400 calls about voter harassment, intimidation etc. it IS possible some poeple were literally too scared/intimidated to go vote.

Other people had been purged from the recrod

WE DO NEED ELECTION REFORM and yes "they have the right to vote" is technically true but Trump won by SO MANY electoral votes, and by landslides in certain states man like letting a few hundred black people vote here and there won't remove DJT from power. Just do BASIC election reform and seem like you CARE about minoritiy rights that's all the Libertarian side of me wants me to ask of you.

THere is BASIC election reform L's have been pushing for a while and WE CAN DO IT.

I tend to see things a LITTLE your way man but, please, give the Libertarians and the Dems a chance to explain that voter discdrimination and voter list purging *DOES HAPPEN* and we need toa ddress it oK?
 
spare ribs said:
Chilling out now,thanks for kind words CH.(y)
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yeah no prob man, I actually partially agree w/ you regarding "they do have the right to vote freeely" many do but there is some election reform we neened done and i hiighlithed on this lightly.

thanks for understanding; we can have civil disagreements without any negativity. I'm sure in your mind it's probably not negative all but some of us get triggered easily.

PERSONAL POINT OF PRIVILEGE some people are talking too loud in the backgroudn IT'S TRIGGERING ME *shakes uncontrollably* =D

But see the more we can admit hey we both have a point, let's do some more reform so minority vote is free and all will be happy, right? We can all think that's the rational step in the right direction?
 
you're really twisting things and i'm not sure why spare ribs. i didn't say anything about requiring guidance or permission - those are your words.

i offered my perspective and your analysis is both aggressive and disingenuous...

alasdair
 
I also think spare ribs' point is proven very well when the black vote for Hillary was really high like over 90% or...waht were the numbers ,just really high

So yes a lot DO have total freedom but that doesn't mean 100% does. CRJS/voting reform goes through = more equality. I think we all want more equality.
 
alasdairm said:
you're really twisting things and i'm not sure why spare ribs. i didn't say anything about requiring guidance or permission - those are your words.

i offered my perspective and your analysis is both aggressive and disingenuous...

alasdair
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yes buddy but when you say this it's not going to help things

I am trying to bridge gaps of understanding, if you aim at that (and I know, logic, truth, so much more important I agree) but just bridge the understanding. Explain what parts are incorrect about what they're saying, say what is correct ,so tehy can learn OR at least "understand where we are coming from"

even semi-confrontational attitudes from either side rarely if ever works. Unless it's like global warming, that's so serious take any approach needed.
 
spare ribs said:
See wont let shit drop.
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ok in this case you can ignore him and stop responding buddy; everyone let's stay on topic please. alasdair you already get the last word in so just take the high road and let us try to bridge some gaps of understanding first

it's not like what you said was wrong but it's not going to help things but its' OK, you were honest, I don't fault you. Just be more of your cheery self that I know you have in there because you are living a sweet life bro, seen more nature and stuff and you've got a lot of cool stuff under your belt.

Sometimes you have to just sit down, listen, and very very kindly agree/disagree w/ specific points and go from there. Most people here respond well to the honesty and talking about their policy issues/ideas. I can tell that's why I can have cordial conversations from people who are from any political spectrum no matter how far left, right, center, libertarian, or authoritarian. Even if I get sad and feel I have to morally object/disagree I use my words, I retain respect for the other person. I prefer debating ideas not emotions/people. Bad relations are better for the latter ;)
 
also spare ribs can I ask you? I don't agree personally with giving violent felons their voting rights back. BUT WHAT IF it's just drug offenses, non-violent felonies etc. shouldn't they get their voting rights back?

How do you feel about that?

Some basic election/CRJS reform would give more americans a political voice and if Trump still wins then, as you said, they had their choice, etc, their voice, their vote etc and it's a beautiful part of democracy.
 
so NON-violent "felonies" shoudln't get their voting rights back?

What if TRUMP gave it back to them? You know all those people would be like "Trump gave me my rights back I have to vote for him"

There's actually a huge reason to do this if he wants to get re-elected. Especially against Sanders, teh guy who putall the black dudes away for life for dealing an 8 ball of crack...
 
I hate to say this but if the Trump Train would give me $120k I would tell you *exactly* waht needs to get done so he *for sure* gets re-elected. In an even bigger landslide.
and trust me any non-vioelnt white offenders were probably trump supportersi nthe south THE #1 STATE WITH THE MOST PEOPLE IN PRISON PER CAPITA IS LOUISINAA that's mostly trump supporters right there bro

You have to thinka bout it, dot he math

If you wanted a Trump re-eelction you might actually believe in this shit
 
Also yeah spare ribs you know I don't liek trump but, seriuosly, if someone like Sanders gets the nomination I'll have to leave the nation if he gets elected. Life would undoubtedly be worse for me. I don't like Trump but I like it when the economy goes up, I have a job, family's working and we're not going to do "medicare/college/wealth redistribtuion for all" and tax the rich 90% so they can waste the money and have nothing to share for it :|

So believe it or not I could easily give y'all some pointers. Racism got you 2016. That may not work in 2020. Try the "we're going to give voting rights back to primarily black people!" and trust me if Trump is responsible they'll never forget his face on the TV especially if he spoke highly about them coming back into society and how "JOB OPPORTUNITIES ARE SO HIGH FOR THEM" and legit if a lot got legit jobs dude like... it would look BEYOND good and the dems would be devastated for not going to CRJS reform first.
 
spare ribs said:
You sure as fuck aint listenimg,alasdair aint minorities mouthpiece i believe minorities are allowed to vote as they please they dont need a white mans guidance or permission.
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Not sure how you got that from my post. I didn't say anything about white people having a say in who minorities vote for. I'm saying not all liberal white people are like that, in fact the vast majority aren't. Yeah, some are. But talking about them all like they're that way is the same as someone saying "all MAGA hat wearing people are racists". They're both damaging, absurd generalizations. I'm trying to inject some perspective and balance into this conversation. Anyway no harm or offense meant, quite the opposite in fact. I just want everyone to quit raging at each other for presumed attributes based on political affiliation.
 
alasdairm said:
lots of voters vote against their own interests and will discount some positions because they prioritize others. that doesn't make them stupid.
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Voting against my own interests may not make me stupid, but it would suggest that I am being foolish.
Only who determines what is in my own best interest?

@Captain.Heroin Peace maker <3
 
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^Then I guess I'm not a 'liberal'? I don't know what I am then. I call myself liberal because I support social safety nets and health care and drug reform pretty much, but I have varying opinions on many other issues.
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All liberals support "that". That is what a liberal is. A supporter of the left. Rabid & Radical as it is. Evil.
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Again, I find this awfully black and white and seems... ignorant? I really don't understand such a world view. I've viewed most of life as gray for a long time and I find it hard to wrap my head around concepts defined as only 'this' or only 'that'. I don't think most Trump supporters are inherently one thing or another, I think for a variety of reasons they might like him; those reasons vary greatly. Many Republican voters cite immigration as their primary voting issue, which I could argue is 'racism' at it's core. But many also like him and vote for other reasons. I'll vote for Trump if Biden runs against him if that says anything.
 
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I don't support some generalized agenda. I have my own beliefs that are nuanced and often deviate from this perceived "liberal agenda". Like CG said above, I support the following:
  • Civil rights and social acceptance for everyone
  • Social safety nets
  • Our taxpayer dollars being spent on the people and our infrastructure and not on the wealthy
  • The importance of education
  • Protecting the environment
  • Strengthening the middle class
That's it. It's a set of beliefs, it happens to align much more closely with the left as it stands these days. I don't believe this stuff because my "side" told me to, I believe it because, when I think about what I think would be best for the country/the world, it seems clear it is these things. I believe that we have a moral obligation, as a society, to take care of each other. I believe we have a moral obligation to take care of the planet. I think an educated populace is of crucial importance in terms of being and remaining a world leader. I think that the best off we ever were was when the middle class was the strongest.

Please explain to me how any of this stuff is evil. It's really weird that you can't have ideas these days without being branded some extremist wrong-headed asshole by someone.
 
^ nicely put.

so our president got huffy and said he's not visiting denmark because greenland is not for sale?

jfc - he's such a baby.

alasdair
 
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