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I’m all about correct information. When someone not only gives out tons of false information, but then talks shit to anyone who even remotely questions them.. I’m not going to take kindly to them.

It remains that heatless keeps spouting certain “facts” with zero evidence to back his claims. Calling people noobs (me lol) when he isn’t willing to give more than a 3 word answer, claiming there’s some conspiracy against him because we want some actual proof. He’s mad because I got tired of watching him spew misinformation and have been cleaning up after him so to speak..

In the end, truth is king and this is a harm reduction forum. I’m a loving accepting guy but it makes me cringe to watch misinformation flourish (like Reddit for example.) I don’t care if asking some questions to get the correct answers causes someone to get upset, it shows they don’t truly know to begin with.


MDA is NOT commonly found and not the issue with mehdma. Heatless if you had taken the time to read this thread, or maybe even glance at EData analysis, or any analysis website.. You’d have seen that MDA is much less common these days than in the past.

The analysis don’t back up your claim. There are some niche areas which still have a lot but no ones buying it mistaking it for MDMA.

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G_Chem said:
I’m all about correct information. When someone not only gives out tons of false information, but then talks shit to anyone who even remotely questions them.. I’m not going to take kindly to them.

It remains that heatless keeps spouting certain “facts” with zero evidence to back his claims. Calling people noobs (me lol) when he isn’t willing to give more than a 3 word answer, claiming there’s some conspiracy against him because we want some actual proof. He’s mad because I got tired of watching him spew misinformation and have been cleaning up after him so to speak..

In the end, truth is king and this is a harm reduction forum. I’m a loving accepting guy but it makes me cringe to watch misinformation flourish (like Reddit for example.) I don’t care if asking some questions to get the correct answers causes someone to get upset, it shows they don’t truly know to begin with.


MDA is NOT commonly found and not the issue with mehdma. Heatless if you had taken the time to read this thread, or maybe even glance at EData analysis, or any analysis website.. You’d have seen that MDA is much less common these days than in the past.

The analysis don’t back up your claim. There are some niche areas which still have a lot but no ones buying it mistaking it for MDMA.

-GC
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G_chems point is the EXACT reason people are shitting all over heartless. You are saying incorrect info in a harm reduction forum, clearly didnt read the entirety of the thread, and are missing the loads of test data about this. We are passionate about peoples health, and if you come in here and try to throw a fork in the road about these drugs. You arent gonna be taking seriously and will be ousted. Thats how the truth works. Its not anger, its not personal, its just your info is incorrect. Dont do that.
 
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G_chems point is the EXACT reason people are shitting all over heartless. You are saying incorrect info in a harm reduction forum, clearly didnt read the entirety of the thread, and are missing the loads of test data about this. We are passionate about peoples health, and if you come in here and try to throw a fork in the road about these drugs. You arent gonna be taking seriously and will be ousted. Thats how the truth works. Its not anger, its not personal, its just your info is incorrect. Dont do that.
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I get crap for anything I say on this site.
 
It's ok. Why do you care this much? Just take the advise people give if you like and the rest shouldn't be the end of the world:)
 
heatlessbbq said:
I get crap for anything I say on this site.
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That is incorrect.
Whenever you have posted something that me or someone else here did not think was correct, we pointed out the part that we wanted to criticize, and we explained our point of view.
We did not give you crap, we attempted to engage you in productive discussion, but you failed to explain your point of view most of the time, and when you tried you revealed a jaw dropping level of misinformation.
It is true that it is a big part of what you posted, but it's not everything.
 
After reading heatlessbbq’s post elsewhere, I’m almost guessing he’s a troll. For gods sakes the guy just 2yrs ago posted a comprehensive thread on lsd dosages and the effects felt at varying levels. Now he’s got a thread asking what a 5strip is going to feel like...

Whether a troll or not, I’m officially done wasting my time engaging.. This threads already off track enough.


To bring it back on track.. Check out this DrugLabs video about XTC in Netherlands. They go around asking people about MDMA and realize no one knows shit about the drug despite it being the mdma capital of the world.

What I find most interesting is how these people don’t really look like they are rolling that hard to me. Even the guy who’s looking spaced out on supposedly 5 pills isn’t where I’d expect to see someone having taken so much.



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epic11 said:
Im gonna lean towards tolerance on this part. Ive never abused and even mehdma is noticeable for hours to me. Its just not lovey.
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It's not tolerance. I first had MehDMA four years ago, and since then the multiple times I've had it, the duration has been just as variable as the other effects are. 2-3 times it's been exactly 3-4 hours and then boom, done. Of course there's still residual effects, but not like an afterglow or even residual stimulation that keeps you awake. Other times, it's felt super meh but lasted exactly the duration real MDMA should. Which for me, is a solid 4-4.5hr peak, 1-3 hours of strong afterglow, and then residual stimulation and afterglow that usually has me stay awake until 10-12 hours after dosing.

The duration is batch dependent.
 
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G_Chem said:
After reading heatlessbbq’s post elsewhere, I’m almost guessing he’s a troll. For gods sakes the guy just 2yrs ago posted a comprehensive thread on lsd dosages and the effects felt at varying levels. Now he’s got a thread asking what a 5strip is going to feel like...

Whether a troll or not, I’m officially done wasting my time engaging.. This threads already off track enough.


To bring it back on track.. Check out this DrugLabs video about XTC in Netherlands. They go around asking people about MDMA and realize no one knows shit about the drug despite it being the mdma capital of the world.

What I find most interesting is how these people don’t really look like they are rolling that hard to me. Even the guy who’s looking spaced out on supposedly 5 pills isn’t where I’d expect to see someone having taken so much.



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Watched a majority of it. Yea the guy on "5" is definitely on some type of amphetamine, probably rolling. But yea, 5 pills would have you absolutely floored. Maybe hes just a heavy abuser and kinda always had been? He didnt know that was bad when he brought it up. lol Otherwise, id say a lot of people in this video know way more than any american. Kudos to them for having a population that even cares to think about the risks and learn.
 
Speed is heavily used in holland at parties and raves alongside mdma. But alot of tourists get ripped off cause they buy off anybody that offers it to them in the streets. But theres flyers handed out at these events telling the dutch to only take a 1/4 quarter of a pill to start with and i think a decent amount of them follow it.
 
Honestly no one of those guys in the video looks like they're on mdma.. with 5 pills you're unable to hold a simple conversation or respond to basic questions..
 
mooka said:
Honestly no one of those guys in the video looks like they're on mdma.. with 5 pills you're unable to hold a simple conversation or respond to basic questions..
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Yes I totally agree that dude who said he was on 5 pills- it sure didn't add up. I could see barely if any discernible indication that he was even rolling.

He seemed clueless as shit, in general, as a human being.

Maybe he is just a liar? Very possible, liking the camera limelight.

Or he has a source for bunk pills and has no idea what he is even taking or what proper MDMA pills are like.

Even low dosed on the average scale currently- still well over 100mg, so a good half gram of MDMA, I would expect (or hope) to see far more noticeable alteration of consciousness and behaviour and expression of effects whereas this guy just doesn't seem to be aware of anything going on including the effects of MDMA which if they are are taking place in his system appear to have gone completely over his head.

Actually I think it is a bit of a shame that he was even included in this video with huge questions about his credibility for a start but also so I can't see that there was any positive benefit to having interviewed him and included it in the final video surely they could have found some better people to talk to than this?

Rather lame and pretentious and a bit silly IMO.

Gosh, sorry everyone by the way for being so negative. Have been under some stress I'm sure the video isn't that bad.
 
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I've actually found the video quite interesting. Would love to see these basic questions (along with some others) asked at several locations worldwide to see which populations are the least informed regarding HR.
 
Goodwalt said:
I've actually found the video quite interesting. Would love to see these basic questions (along with some others) asked at several locations worldwide to see which populations are the least informed regarding HR.
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I just think, in general, Drugslab are a bit too showy, tongue in cheek and not real or factual enough without making a bit too much of a silly joke out of everything.

Harm reduction and drug education is a serious business after all. I really don't think I would recommend them as a reliable, thorough and accurate/objective resource for drug education.

A bit of fun, sure. If that is what they are about, fair play, as long as viewers can be somewhat conscious of that.
 
@ThreePointCircle TicTac never replied to me, unfortunately. I think once I explained that I was not with a hospital or pre-approved research group they wrote me off.

Took me awhile to catch up. I was out of town for awhile. Not much for me to add, but I have found the duration of the MehDMA to be shorter than a regular MDMA experience overall. Three hours seems more on point than 5.
 
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