West Coast of Canada MDMA supply.

[Psychonautical]

So festival season is upon us. Hordes of edm enthusiasts and drug freaks gather to shake off the shit of the rest of the year.
Its like Christmas for 8 weeks straight. Now a friend of mine, who acquired a mass of it for festival season saying to me this is all that is going around right now,
showed me this huge crystalline greyish blue brick that smelled heavily like some kind of hospital steriliant.

I know thats not right. It was very clear to me that they used some kind of direct p2p synthesis rather than any kind of organic sources.
So from 112 grams there was 30 grams of loss
3 of those grams were aluminum dust
15 of those grams were methamphetamine
and the rest and oxidative precursor left over to add weight.

WHAT THE FUCK!!!!

Listen, in the past 2 years.... I've lost 35 friends. I bet you some of these friends didn't even know they were doing things like meth and fentanyl. Fentanyl is now appearing is the ketamine scene near Nelson out in the Kootenays. So Shambhala go'ers be ware. My friend Dylan in Rossland called me to tell me that his business was succeeding and that he was going to stop by my home to see me on his way to Sask to see his family. He had purchased some ketamine and he was telling me about how he was going to have an amazing weekend. He never showed up. His father found him dead with naloxone kit in hand. His Father owns the festival grounds for Electric Sky. Its such a fucking loss and a crime.....

Now for the darkness, so imagine you are a nefarious drug cartel. You know if you have 454 grams and if you mix in 5 grams of a fentanyl its going to make the ketamine more addictive. Its going to be undetectable to most test kits, and you are going to have to chemically remove it to find it or you are going to have to have a mass spec. Now if its not mixed properly, people like my friend Dylan pay the cost.

Whoever the fuck is responsible for allowing this kind of sloppy contaminated synthesis out into the market should be found and then explained to fully that people will pay for purity. It doesn't even take any amount of extra time of polish it up to 99.9 white crystalline structures. Why is the methamphetamine in there? I mean its in there at 10% which im telling you right now, is not detectable using ERLICH or MANSKE test kits. EVERY festival needs a Mass spec which can break down exactly what is in peoples drugs.

Anyways.... becareful out there.... crystalline or not, shit can be woven into the fabric.

 

[tired of crap]

Dilute your whole batch to proper dilution and fent test. Unless Im mistaken itll show
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[Hodor]

Whoever the fuck is responsible for allowing this kind of sloppy contaminated synthesis out into the market should be found and then explained to fully that people will pay for purity. It doesn't even take any amount of extra time of polish it up to 99.9 white crystalline structures.

Recrystallizing takes time, and you lose material. Also, people will pay more for what you successfully market to them as pure, not necessarily that which actually *is* more pure. People also like to confuse "pure" with "more euphoric", making them even easier to scam. Basically, 90% pure + a good sales pitch will make a dealer more money than 99% pure any day of the week.

Why is the methamphetamine in there? I mean its in there at 10% which im telling you right now, is not detectable using ERLICH or MANSKE test kits.

It is a psychoactive cutting agent, plain and simple. It is cheap and extremely euphoric, so even a relatively small amount of meth can render the product more desirable to the average user, as the dopamine-heavy stimulation of the meth adds to the MDMA's more serotonergic, less stimulating high.

Or were you suggesting that the meth is a synthesis byproduct?
Because it isn't. You don't make MDMA by magically adding a methylenedioxy-bridge to P2P. Most MDMA today probably comes from PMK glycidate, which is easily converted to PMK (i.e. the methylenedioxy-version of P2P, if you will), which serves as the precursor to MDMA.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

sounds like a straight retard tried to make it lmao.

 

[Hilopsilo]

Hm, I'm also on the west coast and by sounds of it reside quite close to you all. A friend of mine is constantly getting batches of MDMA that all vary widely in appearance and I imagine quality. They all test perfectly fine on reagent kits, infrared, and even an NMR, but the subjective effects are undeniably different (head on over to the "what is wrong with the MDMA today?" thread in the MDMA section if you're interested in that bag of worms).

To me, it sounds like just a really sketchy batch of "molly", I've never encountered anything like that around here and generally speaking pure MDMA is quite easy to come by and quite cheap as well. So cheap it baffles me anyone going out of their way to make the stuff would take such unscrupulous measures to squeeze a couple more dollars out of their product considering the competition. If that's indeed on the west coast, I can say for fact that it is incorrect that that is all thats going around. Maybe within that circle, but nothing beyond that, the stuff is everywhere in BC.

Thank you for the warning and sorry for your loss

 

[GearoftheYear]

Terrible to hear. Doesn't make sense adding either. Idiot dealers, it also doesn't make sense for a chemist to ruin their product like this. Have you encountered any similar batches?

 

[DrumTripper]

Scary stuff! They keep this crap up and we’ll all just have to become our own chemists...or quit. Shitty soup.

 

[G_Chem]

OP, how were you able to determine the impurities present? Were they removed?

-GC

 

[Phobos]

Terrible to hear. Doesn't make sense adding either. Idiot dealers, it also doesn't make sense for a chemist to ruin their product like this. Have you encountered any similar batches?

Sadly, adding Methamphetamine to MDMA at 1:10 ratio makes sense if you are in the business of selling MDMA for profit and have no regards whatsoever for other people.
The myth (almost) everyone hears before they ever take MDMA is that, between other things, they will be able to dance much more than if they were sober, but if one where to take pure MDMA there would be good chances that, on a typical first time dose of about 125mg, there would not be much dancing, so if the product delivers upon the expectations, returning customers are increased.
Also the Methamphetamine will increase the urge to redose increasing repeated sales in the same venue for your product.
Finally, pure MDMA from competitors will feel weak compared to yours, an most people will trust this is due to superior purity and this will increase sales as well.

Regarding Ketamine cut with Fentanyl, this is beyond reckless or uncaring and moves into "enacting a plan to lethally poison your customers".
So, we have an opiate drug mixed with a dissociative, which creates the following issues:

-Ketamine is a drug that is practically impossible to OD on, even IVing 1 or 2 grams at once is unlikely to kill a person without tolerance, and because of this people use less caution with dosing Ketamine compared to other drugs that are known as dangerous.

-Many users of Ketamine are not opioid/opiate users, therefore they do not have a tolerance that might help them not overdose.

-The effects of Ketamine might prevent the user from being conscious enough to ask for help.

-The expected effects of Ketamine could give a bystander the impression someone that's dying from opiate OD is just in a K-Hole.

-Ketamine users that are not opiate users will not have Narcan available.

-Paramedics and doctors will not know to immediately administer Narcan as Ketamine will be indicated as the drug taken.

-Ketamine potentiates the effects of Fentanyl, further increasing OD risk.

 

[Felonious Monk]

Now for the darkness, so imagine you are a nefarious drug cartel. You know if you have 454 grams and if you mix in 5 grams of a fentanyl its going to make the ketamine more addictive. Its going to be undetectable to most test kits, and you are going to have to chemically remove it to find it or you are going to have to have a mass spec.

I'm going to assume you're just throwing out numbers because that's WAY too much fent. That would absolutely be detectable with a test kit. That's 1% by weight--so a 100mg line would have 1mg (1000ug) of fentanyl. That's deadly to someone with no tolerance. That's more likely about what they add to make fent-laced heroin (still probably more though).