Ever think about where your cash goes to?

[Zopiclone bandit]

Is it just me or do others think when they score about where that cash actually goes to, what it funds, the people that have died so you can get high etc?

For example one here let me take a typical meth user in Texas, USA. The chances are their meth these days wasn't "cooked" in the USA but Mexico & would have come over via the Ciudad Juarez border. As most people that don't follow news will be aware Mexico is in parts NOT a great place but keep in mind in 1 year over 3,000 people were beheaded in Juarez (yes their head was cut off) & their corpse dumped at the road next to a narcomanta & that is just one small part of the country, God knows what actually goes on in the more rural parts of the country where people can just be chopped into pieces & fed to the dogs. All the meth money you users pass over to your local dealer goes back across the border to fund these killers etc, do you feel guilty about all the poor folks that have NO choice but to work for the narco gangs & live on average 3-5 years & have a high chance of being cut into pieces by a chainsaw?

Let us take a heroin user in the UK. He scores off Muslims & the cash all goes back to shady gangs who take their cut & after a long trip through God knows what kinda banking system ends up in some Afghan warlords pocket, as we know The Taliban now fund a lot of their murder through the sale of heroin so in a way I personally have paid for bombs & global terror via my drug use, do I feel a cunt for this you may ask? Do I ever think about the poor Afghan kid who now has no legs because he got hit by a IED & has to hop around for the rest of his life? Yes cause I do & I'm not joking I feel scummy for it I really do.

Example three as you UK weed smokers aint gonna get off light may I add. You go buy a 1/8th off a local guy you known for decades & his really nice, he has animals, works & just sells a bit of weed on the side to his mate, no worries or issue you may think? It ever come to your head most of these grows are run by people from China or Romania & the poor folks stuffed in these places are illegal. I know of several gorws the police have taken down local to me where the house was full of illegal people from Iraq, it was reported in the local press the guys living in the flat had come over in the back of a lorry & were forced to work in there with threats of death to their family back in Iraq if they fucked about. That nice blunt you gonna roll after work is made with the sadness of illegal people trying to leave a warzone & are made into slaves.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

I'm going to find that documentary about "Los Caballeros Templarios" AKA Order Of The Knights Templar Cartel from Michoacán state it isn't something light I'll warn you now but this is a perfect example of what I'm getting at, when you hear the narcos talk about what they do to people it isn't nice. All that weed, meth, heroin money pays these guys that go around using powertools on peoples genitals, setting folks on fire & the one I'll never forget to skin a person alive & then wear their skin.

Enjoy that blunt of Mexican weed folks.

 

[axe battler]

I know exactly what you mean. I rarely think about it, but that's because I'm so far removed, but it's awful.
When everything gets legalized when I become emperor, I'll sure all drugs, and other products like coffee and meat for that matter, are all fair trade and free range.
Joking aside though, although we do have our parts to play, it's the broken system and prohibition that are more to blame. It's a fucked up world we live in, always has been, always will be (as long as humans occupy it anyway).

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Glad someone understands what my view is Axe battler.
You seem a smart person & if I remember post in EADD like I do, being UK based like me you cannot fail to see the amount of murders over "county lines" in London & the city I live close to has the 2nd highest murder rate in the UK. London last year had a deadly stabbing over once a day & the rate by me isn't that far behind sadly. It is all kids thinking they can make a quick few quid by going "on road" instead of getting a decent education & they risk their life to sell coke to middle class types. Mind you I'm hardly innocent as I like class A & the people I go to are hardly the kinda people you would take round to your nans for a cup of tea.

"I rarely think about it, but that's because I'm so far removed"

That is the problem with most users, they don't see the tragic mess that is caused by the supply lines & think nothing of how truly terrible places like Columbia are so they can snort coke. They don't think about the poor woman from the rural slums of South America that has to swallow a belly full of coke then fly into London, go to some nasty flat in E14 then shit it all out.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Figures show 28,816 homicides, a 15% increase over the previous year, attributed to drug war (Mexico) 2018

Mexico's murder rate broke new record in 2018 as drug war drags on

Figures show 28,816 homicides, a 15% increase over the previous year, attributed to drug war and other illegal markets

www.theguardian.com

Someone I Know online for some time & moved from Texas to D.F. Mexico sent me a link & some photos as he was going past at the time of something I'll never forget.
A trailor had been dumped at the side of the road leading out of town & had been there for 3 days, the cops broke in & there were 250 heads (yes just heads) on hooks, 3 miles down the road there was another trailor & inside that was 250 bodies.

Enjoy that pipe of Meth folks.

 

[axe battler]

Yeah I'm up north so we don't really have that gang culture really...yet. of course I do see in media that knife crime is escalating at a horrifying rate, and it's so tragic these children are ruining their own lives, and those of so many others around them due to our and other countries governments failings.

Unfortunately there will always be a demand for drugs, especially when the world is such a stressful, unfair, anxiety inducing place, and fighting that with police firepower is just, quite predictably, blowing up in their stupid fucking faces. Try telling a hypocrite Tory MP or US republican that though, even after they've just come out of a toilet cubicle after a line of posh.

So fucking selfish and blind. We need to find another way.

 

[andyturbo]

I dont think about it but unfortunately know the main 3 profit chains here in Australia. The main major profiteers here in order of largest to smallest:

Chinese/Vietnamese Crime syndicates.

A small number of Australian Federal Police and Australian Border Force workers/associates.

The 5 major 1% OMCG's (Bandidos, Hells Angels, Commancheros, Rebles, Mongols)

Thats for methamphetamine and heroin.
From what ive been told majority of our coke is sourced from Mexio/Columbia and the Calebreze (Calabrian Mafia) somehow gets it to our lonely big Island.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Kinda surprised so little posts on this thread tbh.
I got the feeling most of you don't like to face the truth.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Youtube has taken the documentary I wanted to link down for some reason, there is this small clip up though & will give you a damn good idea about it.
Turns out it was filmed by Walid Shoebat Documentary so I will look harder to find the full thing.

 

[G_Chem]

Yes I do... That’s why I try my hardest to buy local or source the shit directly myself. My cannabis comes from local farmers, some I actually know. Many of the psychedelics I consume are either closely sourced or come from people who produce these substances with at least some positive intent, they’res definitely no one dying over the sheet of LSD when I buy it.

The MDMA often comes from
an area where chemists and dealers don’t get much time if caught, and has traded very few hands while I accept there may be some collateral damage my guess is much less so than other areas where MDMA producers/dealers can get decent time. For MDMA it’s really about who you know, some MDMA is produced by ruthless gangs/mafia.

Now I do once or twice a year enjoy some fishscale. I fully accept just how nasty of trade that is, and can damn near feel the negative energy when I consume it. I also have this theory of certain drugs holding this negativity and causing problems for the end user. For instance I never deal with police, ever... But soon as I have some cocaine on me and it’s like a cop magnet, all the sudden I’m having close call after close call gettingvpulled over when I Never! Get pulled over.. Could be coincidence but I try not to push my luck.

The only other drug I take that I worry about is Suboxone. While it came through legitimate sources, I wonder what kind of negativity is attached to it with the greed of the manufacturers..

With all that said, OP you definitely fear mongering here.. Omg a house full of pot and immigrants you say?!?

-GC

 

[Wilson Wilson]

No way of knowing. Surely at the high level most drugs do come from serious criminal gangs who are likely involved in other shit, a sad side effect of prohibition.

But you should also wonder where your clothes come from? Probably a sweatshop staffed by children. What about all those made in China electronics? Not just the factories putting the things together, but also the supply chain for the metals which are often mined yet again by children. What about the dodgy practices applied by big oil companies who are destroying the planet? Even your bank might be helping cartels to launder their money as HSBC was recently caught doing. And this is before we even get into the shady af pharma industry. Look at what Purdue did in the US!

It's pretty much impossible to avoid all unethical practises in your purchasing decisions. Not to say that legalisation wouldn't help reduce the dark side of the trade, it surely would. But often you get the media scaremongering about how evil the drug trade is while ignoring how much horrible shit goes on behind the scenes to get people their clothes and smartphones.

 

[Felonious Monk]

Yes I do... That’s why I try my hardest to buy local or source the shit directly myself. My cannabis comes from local farmers, some I actually know. Many of the psychedelics I consume are either closely sourced or come from people who produce these substances with at least some positive intent, they’res definitely no one dying over the sheet of LSD when I buy it.

With all that said, OP you definitely fear mongering here.. Omg a house full of pot and immigrants you say?!?

-GC

Exactly. Talking about violence in Mexico as if drug consumers are personally responsible and the U.S. government has no blood on its hands for creating this situation. If that's the case you have just as much blood on your hands buying anything with palm oil in it. Arguably more.

And part of me thinks, fuck it. I'd buy taxed and legal heroin if it was an option, but since my options are: risk dying on fentanyl, not doing opioids, or (probably) supporting a Mexican cartel... then the answer is always gonna be, FTP yo. And fuck the goddam government. And I certainly don't support keeping refugees out of this country. We created the crisis, being xenophobic assholes is about the least kind response we could have to a humanitarian crisis of our own creation (though probably the most American response possible).

Enjoy that blunt of Mexican weed folks.

You still smoke Mexican weed? WTF is wrong with you man? Support American farmers dude. All the cannabis farmers I know are just trying to support their families. Though the larger farmers who put together the black market boxes that becomes midwest dubs are less likely to be salt of the earth types.

 

[SunriseChampion]

Sort of glad I don't have this problem. My mushrooms, LSD, and MDMA are all local. 100 mile diet or whatever. Wait a minute...I haven't even paid for any of it in like two years anyway.

I say support STEM education and get local chemists and growers going strong.

 

[somnilicious]

Yes.... I started becoming concerned after watching a documentary circa 2012 after watching a documentary on the out right slaughter and violence in Mexico.

Youtube has taken the documentary I wanted to link down for some reason, there is this small clip up though & will give you a damn good idea about it.
Turns out it was filmed by Walid Shoebat Documentary so I will look harder to find the full thing.

Santa muerte is some very creepy shit indeed. All the little Mexican bodegas by my house all have Santa Muerte and Jesus Malverde(seated on a chair with his little bolo tie, remote control and a fat stack of cash) statues for sale along with all the Mother Mary candles, rosaries and other various saint statues. I'm a quarter Puerto Rican and we have a similar thing on the island called and made popular by the Sublime song Santeria but it has a lot of differences and isn't nearly as sinister. A friend of mine practiced it. It's pretty much ancestral, Catholic, saint worship, totem worship and voodoo all rolled into one. He had a bunch of totems that he named all over his house. He would leave them shots of liquor, food and yes he did sacrifice chickens. Their remains would be littered around these various totems all for the purpose of his ritualistic enchantations.

Outside of Mexico the Columbia to Dominican Republic to Puerto Rico trans shipment route was #2 for the shipment of Cocaine and heroin into the United States and last time I went back to the island it had definitely been affected by the drug trade addicts were stumbling around the streets everywhere, fucked out of their minds on heroin, coke and an insidious heroin additive called Xylazine. It was very sad and made me both regret my drug using and past drug dealing.

 

[somnilicious]

No way of knowing. Surely at the high level most drugs do come from serious criminal gangs who are likely involved in other shit, a sad side effect of prohibition.

But you should also wonder where your clothes come from? Probably a sweatshop staffed by children. What about all those made in China electronics? Not just the factories putting the things together, but also the supply chain for the metals which are often mined yet again by children. What about the dodgy practices applied by big oil companies who are destroying the planet? Even your bank might be helping cartels to launder their money as HSBC was recently caught doing. And this is before we even get into the shady af pharma industry. Look at what Purdue did in the US!

It's pretty much impossible to avoid all unethical practises in your purchasing decisions. Not to say that legalisation wouldn't help reduce the dark side of the trade, it surely would. But often you get the media scaremongering about how evil the drug trade is while ignoring how much horrible shit goes on behind the scenes to get people their clothes and smartphones.

Exactly. Talking about violence in Mexico as if drug consumers are personally responsible and the U.S. government has no blood on its hands for creating this situation. If that's the case you have just as much blood on your hands buying anything with palm oil in it. Arguably more.

And part of me thinks, fuck it. I'd buy taxed and legal heroin if it was an option, but since my options are: risk dying on fentanyl, not doing opioids, or (probably) supporting a Mexican cartel... then the answer is always gonna be, FTP yo. And fuck the goddam government. And I certainly don't support keeping refugees out of this country. We created the crisis, being xenophobic assholes is about the least kind response we could have to a humanitarian crisis of our own creation (though probably the most American response possible).



You still smoke Mexican weed? WTF is wrong with you man? Support American farmers dude. All the cannabis farmers I know are just trying to support their families. Though the larger farmers who put together the black market boxes that becomes midwest dubs are less likely to be salt of the earth types.

While some of your arguments have merit a lot of it is just complete deflection, while it's easy to point the finger of blame at others but personal culpability becomes first and foremost. Choosing between overdosing on Fent and supporting Mexican cartels is one and the same as it is often cut at the source. Also, a lot of illicit weed bought on the streets is still grown and controlled by cartels, who set up grow houses all over the United States. It's not just Mexican shwag now and Palm oil? Really? A straw man argument if I've ever seen one.

 

[KingOfWessex]

My money goes into a trust fund to be used when you guys need to rehydrate in your breaks from talking bollocks ! Please don't feel the need to thank me it's just me being a good Christian

 

[somnilicious]

Exactly. Talking about violence in Mexico as if drug consumers are personally responsible and the U.S. government has no blood on its hands for creating this situation. If that's the case you have just as much blood on your hands buying anything with palm oil in it. Arguably more.

And part of me thinks, fuck it. I'd buy taxed and legal heroin if it was an option, but since my options are: risk dying on fentanyl, not doing opioids, or (probably) supporting a Mexican cartel... then the answer is always gonna be, FTP yo. And fuck the goddam government. And I certainly don't support keeping refugees out of this country. We created the crisis, being xenophobic assholes is about the least kind response we could have to a humanitarian crisis of our own creation (though probably the most American response possible).



You still smoke Mexican weed? WTF is wrong with you man? Support American farmers dude. All the cannabis farmers I know are just trying to support their families. Though the larger farmers who put together the black market boxes that becomes midwest dubs are less likely to be salt of the earth types.

While some of your arguments have merit a lot of it is just complete deflection, while it's easy to point the finger of blame at others personal culpability should come first and foremost. You can't control others. "Be the change you wish to see in the world. Choosing between overdosing on Fent and supporting Mexican cartels is one and the same as it is often cut at the source. Also, a lot of illicit weed bought on the streets is still grown and controlled by cartels, who set up grow houses all over the United States. It's not just Mexican shwag now and Palm oil? Really? A straw man argument if I've ever seen one.

 

[Wilson Wilson]

While some of your arguments have merit a lot of it is just complete deflection, while it's easy to point the finger of blame at others but personal culpability becomes first and foremost. Choosing between overdosing on Fent and supporting Mexican cartels is one and the same as it is often cut at the source. Also, a lot of illicit weed bought on the streets is still grown and controlled by cartels, who set up grow houses all over the United States. It's not just Mexican shwag now and Palm oil? Really? A straw man argument if I've ever seen one.

Did you aim this at me or the other guy you quoted? I'm not absolving the consumer of responsibility, merely pointing out that unethical practices go on in near enough every business about. It's hard to find a t-shirt that was produced ethically let alone drugs. I also consider funding Big Pharma to be an ethical problem too but ultimately I need medicine.

I don't fund Mexican cartels since I live in the UK but I'm sure some of my money ultimately goes to other criminal operations. Again I can't absolve myself of all responsibility here, but at the same time, it is a side effect of prohibition. No one would take risks on potentially cut drugs from gangs if they had a legal regulated alternative.

Most of the stuff I use is legitimate pharma except weed and psychedelics. As I understand the medicine diversion supply chain, it tends to come from wholesalers in countries with lax regulation, imported into the UK and sold on the darknet or by dealers. Often the dealers are pretty close to source because ordering pharmas from corrupt countries like India or Pakistan (where a lot of the benzos come from) is very easy so you don't need a criminal gang to middleman it for you.

 

[somnilicious]

The other guy.....lol...I'm having problems when I try to edit my posts.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

I get my drugs (always been a prescription-drugs guy) by lying to doctors and buy off people with their own prescriptions, so what damage is my cash doing? I'm pretty sure sweet old lady who sells me her fentanyl patches doesn't work for ISIS. Or the college guy who'll sell me his methyphenidate because one of his roommates moved out and him and his friend are struggling with rent?
And those are both real people I actually buy from.