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anything stronger than DMT?

very high dose shrooms is more stronger and intense than dmt, same with eating a sheet of acid
 
I saw a trip report where in someone mentioned smoking bufotenine was according to him ten times as strong as DMT. I have doubted I would try it but I don't like DMT and it overall doesn't seem the experience I seek. It's like I know what will happen (sort of) and I'd rather try something else. In any case, my strongest trip ever was the fourth plateau or fifth if that exists, i did accidently without knowing used my dxm in that way and took a microdot of lsd on top, I had no control for a long time, not realising where i was or what was going on, I got sober after a week. The first (no idea of time, seemed forever) was a bad trip but as I regained myself it was one of the most unforgetable experiences I ever had. It litterally would piss all over DMT, metaphorically speaking. I remember four bottles of syrup which should have been about 1 gram i slowly drank spaced with some time in between.

I remember my parents walking into my room while i was still so high, I didn't move or spoke, it simply was irrelevant compared to what i was experiencing. They looked at me, spoke to me, i did not reply. Glad they left me alone.
 
bluedolphin said:
5-meo-DMT, Bufotenin, #1 prize goes to Salvia Divinorum

Also since DMT doesn't last very long... one could consider a high dose of a longer lasting psychedelic to be stronger in many ways.

And then there are the dissociatives, but that might be another story all together.
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...I’ve used Salvia D. to an extreme, and repeatedly over the years.

I find it in no way comparable to the intensity, depth, and fascinating reveals and detail of Dymethyltryptamine ( smoked )...

Salvia is on another platform.

It goes back to the same “torque of the universe, twisting clockwise” that is like something to be endured, but not all that “enjoyable”, or enlightening .

The vision over the horizon of time aspect ( personal ) is interesting to me... and it’s a BIG high... but, nuthin’ compares to being shot out of a blue walled cannon made of streaking data flows in a foreign script, into a place where you are being observed, and challenged / toyed with, by extremely sentient beings... sorry kids... nuthin’ else like it, so far.
 
XThexXTank said:
Hmm yeh i got ya man this is what ya do:

Supplies:

PCP
5-meo-dmt
dmt
Ketamine
Rollin papers/ blunt

Procedure:
Now take those rollin supplies and roll yerself up a jeffrey but dont put the k in there cuz i dont think thats gonna work, snort some before hand you know what i mean.

On a side note though, your options here are not limited. The dmt and the other stuff is required for the intense trip, but you can use yer imagination and throw some other things into the mix to make yer own cocktail. MDMA and lsd are popular.

PS i never done this but you sound like yer a psychadelic tank so figure yer doses and let us know wuts good
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So... is this about about just getting insanely fucked-up ( PCP?! )

Phencycledine ( spelling ) is GARBAGE... toxic garbage.

You should avoid it, at all measure.

Why didn’t you add huffing gasoline, or inhaling spray paint in your puerile lil’ cocktail, Sonny?

Just dumb.

Stick to mushrooms...
LSD when you have the time...
DMT ( smoked powder ) when you MAY have the base intelligence to endure something fucking overwhelming.

Poison is not the working approach.

Best,
Bryan in Seattle
 
Zachariahz said:
Yes, there is said to be something stronger



If you can get more loaded than DMT I don't want to know about it-- Terance McKenny

Terance Mckenny called it "thousand Orange" You get blast off and you will never need anything stronger than DMT trust me. 3 hits to the head, and you're done... No chance of overdose because there will not be a pipe left in your existence.
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Yup.
 
flabberghost said:
Yeah, I agree.

Was doing, and still have a bunch of 40X.

That box has walls... it becomes “same old” quite quickly.

Thanks.
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Just thinking creatively here- I wonder if salvia is a bit like a Rubicks Cube puzzle, or a recurring dream, or even groundhog day, where it is up to yourself to reach a particular realisation and make a change in order to open a new door like completing a level in a computer game before moving on to new scenery.

I have come to believe that there could be some extraordinarily great and deep therapeutic and spiritual potential in salvia but that it may appear to be absent or not unlocked to the majority of people with very reasons.

I think it is probably one of the least understood drugs but also maybe largely underrated due to being so difficult to navigate and engage with and learn from in a meaningful conscious sense.
 
salvia is alot nicer when the leaves are chewed. Smoking extracts is pretty much disrespecting lady salvia
 
white55 said:
Note that 5-meo-dmt isn't enjoyable for everyone (I've tried it a few times and it sucked every time, the last time was mixed with dmt and ruined perfectly good dmt and just made me nauseous for a few hours, other times I just saw white and felt like I was falling forever... the only good thing about it is that it doesn't last long). Not trying to hate on anyone or on 5-meo-dmt. But the experience is very unique and different than other psychedelics. So if you decide to try it don't expect something like a normal trip because you wont get it. Personally if someone offered me an unlimited life time supply of legal 5-meo-dmt under the condition that I can't sell it/give it/exchange it or do anything else with it except take it I would decline. If some one did that with most other psychedelics I'd take them (also no bk-2c-b, 5-meo-dalt, dalt, and a few more). The same applies to salvia. I haven't tried it but after reading some reports have no desire to do so.

Idk if you want something very intense take a large dose (a few mg, perhaps even 20-30 mg), of ald-52 (or lsd or 1p-lsd... whichever one you like the most), a large dose of eth-lad (again a few mg. perhaps even 20-30 mg), iv a large (100+ mg of each) dose of 4-aco-dmt/met/mipt (aco because the ho's don't dissolve very well in water), iv a large dose of dmt (you'll need either very pure extracted dmt (it has to be free of any plant material) or lab made dmt) and iv a lot of your favorite dissos, preferably one that causes holes and one that's not that hole inducing (you might want to avoid 3-meo-pcp or 3-meo-pce since they are quite stimulating and you really don't want to be walking around while that fucked up because you'll almost certainly do something stupid. Take some maois before hand and inhale n2o (preferably from a medical machine for administering n2o that mixes it it oxygen so you can keep breathing it for the whole trip). And have enough trip sitters that are able to physically restrain with syringes full (injectable benzo solutions can be made or stolen or bought) of benzos which they'll inject (im because good luck hitting a vein of someone who's struggling hard to break free and with that mix of drugs you'll be a lot stronger then you are normally) you with after restraining you (a lot of very strong benzos if I were doing this experiment I'd use a mixture of flunitrazolam, flubromazolam, clonazolam, flualprazolam, phenazolam, flubromazepam and norflurazepam.... this will be much easier to do once the Chinese start making midazolam analogs which will be water soluble and fast acting) you if you do decide to do something stupid. Especially if you use 3-meo-pcp/3-meo-pce If you're a big and strong dude you could easily over power 5 big and strong guys.Maybe some antipsychotics too but they are very nasty drugs that you shouldn't use except if everything else fails.

I'm not encouraging you to this or saying it's a good idea but it'll certainly be extremely intense.

If you do this you should survive (assuming you don't have any preexisting medical problems) but your personality will be altered (with a good chance of it being permanent especially if you use 20-30 mg of the lysergamides).

Chose wisely but if you do do this write a trip report.
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Right, so you “White55”, are attempting to encourage someone to subject themselves to an outrageous concoction of chemicals, why?!

-For your own sordid amusement?

Sounds like you simply delight in hearing yourself spout a bunch of pharma terms.

Are you a Doctor?

-No.

Jabberschmea, that’s what you are.

Any real HEAD will know better that to act on your reckless “ideas”.

Try constructing something usefully informative...

I’ll be waiting.

Bryan
 
AutoTripper said:
Just thinking creatively here- I wonder if salvia is a bit like a Rubicks Cube puzzle, or a recurring dream, or even groundhog day, where it is up to yourself to reach a particular realisation and make a change in order to open a new door like completing a level in a computer game before moving on to new scenery.

I have come to believe that there could be some extraordinarily great and deep therapeutic and spiritual potential in salvia but that it may appear to be absent or not unlocked to the majority of people with very reasons.

I think it is probably one of the least understood drugs but also maybe largely underrated due to being so difficult to navigate and engage with and learn from in a meaningful conscious sense.
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That’s a very interesting premise, Autotripper...

I turned a bunch of people onto
Salvia, after a very experienced Dr. turned me onto it.

I did go to “deep” places, in a visceral, all-knowing kind of way.

The intensity of the Universe’s own core energy / life energy pulsing through me like high voltage, and carrying with it the implicit DUTY to uphold foundational principles of civility, came-in for the ride.

It’s just not “enjoyable”.

It’s rather like a medicine ball for your brain.

Afterwards, there’s still a bit of “awe”... but altogether, a relief that the rip-of-high is OVER.

Incidentally, I don’t do “little bits” of any psychedelic.

I smoked Salvia till I was speechless, and couldn’t move, as I catapulted across some boundary of time itself.

Acid has WAY more latitude, and does interplay with the template of your current issue / perspective in a more fascinating, and “instructive” fashion, in my experience.

Still, it’s been awhile.

Nearly a year, soon.

The liquid in my fridge, is kept with the Salvia, just the same.

Acid is King.

Never “bores” me.

Namaste,
Bryan
 
flabberghost said:
That’s a very interesting premise, Autotripper...

I turned a bunch of people onto
Salvia, after a very experienced Dr. turned me onto it.

I did go to “deep” places, in a visceral, all-knowing kind of way.

The intensity of the Universe’s own core energy / life energy pulsing through me like high voltage, and carrying with it the implicit DUTY to uphold foundational principles of civility, came-in for the ride.

It’s just not “enjoyable”.

It’s rather like a medicine ball for your brain.

Afterwards, there’s still a bit of “awe”... but altogether, a relief that the rip-of-high is OVER.

Incidentally, I don’t do “little bits” of any psychedelic.

I smoked Salvia till I was speechless, and couldn’t move, as I catapulted across some boundary of time itself.

Acid has WAY more latitude, and does interplay with the template of your current issue / perspective in a more fascinating, and “instructive” fashion, in my experience.

Still, it’s been awhile.

Nearly a year, soon.

The liquid in my fridge, is kept with the Salvia, just the same.

Acid is King.

Never “bores” me.

Namaste,
Bryan
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Hi there and thanks for elaborating and sharing that insight which I have to say is very well put and described and I can relate to what you are saying 100%.

My own experience with salvia is extremely limited I purchased 1 gram of x 15 salvia in 2001 I think. I never enjoyed it and I swapped the final third of the gram for 4 ecstasy pills at a rave in London.

However I did have my most intense, nail-biting and soul tearing hallucinogenic experience ever on the stuff. After taking a lot of ecstasy pills over the weekend and some mushrooms on the Sunday evening along with some ketamine followed by a very big bucket bong of the salvia catapulted me into a hallucinogenic Alice in Wonderland like realm where I had no control over what was happening at all or even the faintest awareness of who I was and that I was on a drug at the time.

The rooms were rotating and revolving and each time all four walls had revolved around me I would enter a new room much larger and taking on different features until it was like a castle hall, and another was like a medievil a dining hall with dining tables at one point.

It was full on hallucinating and the people who were in the room with me at the time were apart of this and were conspiring against me and acting to bring about my demise.

It's all happened remarkably quickly, really physically intense like being on a roller coaster and the most frightening experience ever until eventually I was convinced that I had been trapped behind at an illegal rave which we were trying to find that night but failed to do so, and buried in concrete by some demon gangster.

Literally a split second later I was fully coherent and back in the room wide awake and feeling remarkably well and just totally glad to be alive it was an amazing feeling to come back like that.

So it was the most frightening ordeal I ever went through but the moment it was over I felt indescribable benefits and emotional release and a renewed perspective on life.

But everything you describe above I can relate to entirely in relation to that experience and my others which were not as intense without the combination of the ketamine etc.

I do think there is more potential benefit to salvia then we are universally aware of and I also think that the majority of people who try it and maybe mankind in general are too spiritually immature to be able to engage with the salvia program.

But I don't know I'm only thinking that's all I've never tried DMT I really would like to.
 
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AutoTripper said:
Hi there and thanks for elaborating and sharing that insight which I have to say is very well put and described and I can relate to what you are saying 100%.

My own experience with salvia is extremely limited I purchased 1 gram of x 15 salvia in 2001 I think. I never enjoyed it and I swapped the final third of the gram for 4 ecstasy pills at a rave in London.

However I did have my most intense, nail-biting and soul tearing hallucinogenic experience ever on the stuff. After taking a lot of ecstasy pills over the weekend and some mushrooms on the Sunday evening along with some ketamine followed by a very big bucket bong of the salvia catapulted me into a hallucinogenic Alice in Wonderland like real where I had no control over what was happening at all or even the faintest awareness of who I was and that I was on a drug at the time.

The rooms were rotating and revolving and each time all four walls had revolved around me I would enter a new room much larger and taking on different features until I was like a castle hall and a dining hall with dining tables at one point.

It was full on hallucinating and the people who were in the room with me at the time were apart of this and were conspiring against me and acting to bring about my demise.

It's all happened remarkably quick really physically intense like being on a roller coaster and the most frightening experience ever until eventually I was convinced that I had been trapped behind at an illegal rave which we were trying to find that night but failed to do so, and buried in concrete by some demon gangster.

Literally a split second later I was fully coherent and back in the room wide awake and feeling remarkably well and just totally glad to be alive it was an amazing feeling to come back like that.

So it was the most frightening ordeal I ever went through but the moment it was over I felt indescribable benefits and emotional release and a renewed perspective on life.

But everything you describe above I can relate to entirely in relation to that experience and my others which were not as intense without the combination of the ketamine etc.

I do think there is more potential benefit to salvia then we are universally aware of and I also think that the majority of people who try it and maybe mankind in general are to spiritually immature to be able to engage with the salvia program.

But I don't know I'm only thinking that's all I've never tried DMT I really would like to.
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Hey Man,

Fantastic response... thank you!

It appears that some psychedelics... psyllies specifically, tend to open up extended, lingering, multifaceted doorways that are reaccessed, and amplified by subsequent mind-manifesting chemicals.

But, hey... I dunno.

Salvia creates a reverse tolerance.

( it takes less and less, to go exponentially further and further )

A “bucket”, especially after MDMA, mushrooms, AND K?

Holy-oh-HELL, Dude!

Serious party swirl!

I’ve only done Ketamine once, IM.

A friend of mine was into it deep, and binging for days on end...

I didn’t like what I saw it doing to him, but one night I joined him.

Quite enjoyable, really.

Meantime: I had to quit doing mushrooms... entities were visiting me, and seeming to recruit me, or challenge me to join their realm.

They appeared as more real, than “real” with the “we know you ‘get-it’ now, come with us” type of psychic transmission.

Fuck... I don’t “get” where I left my wallet on an almost daily basis. -There must have been some mistake / illusion involved in trying to get me on that train to God knows where.

But, I digress.

I liked your multi-room, rapid move bit.

I can relate to some of that.

The demon shit is terrifying.

I’ve been confronted with very powerfu,l malevolent disencarnates before.

My working strategy is to exhibit no fear, and to flow through them with compassion for their own predicament.

These critters may just be TESTS for personal resolve, like auditions to be granted higher realm access.

We often create metaphors for the drama themes in our own heads too...
so what is the nature of illusion?

“Not this, not this...” sticks with me.

It’s all very INDIVIDUAL.

Truth is our own set of mirrors, within which we can resonate.

As for DMT... ( !! )

Holy MOTHER OF GOD!

Do some reading.

‘Spirit Molocule is good.

But, there is NOTHING to compare.

Find some experienced people to administer the stuff for you.

We used Syrian Rue ( smoked ahead of time ) to potentiate the yellow powder, and a blowtorch on a lab glass apparatus to smoke.

I was in a dental chair, with a large stereo playing waterfall sounds.

Forget about it... my first reaction was: “Oh fuck, i did WAY too much!” as I was launched out of a blazing blue light cannon of “information” in a foreign script steaking by me...

“You gotta be kidding... “

I’ve done LOADS of Acid before, ( like 1000mics to “white-out” ) and there’s nothing, as in NO THING that compares to DMT.

You will be amazed.

20 minutes.

Stay laying down ( as if you could move anyway ) and keep your eyes closed... just move through it, and engage it as the ultimate reality.

If you do see some challenging entities, tell ‘um “hi” from me, and I’ll see them again, soon enough.

Be good to your brain!

Love,
Bryan
 
flabberghost said:
Right, so you “White55”, are attempting to encourage someone to subject themselves to an outrageous concoction of chemicals, why?!

-For your own sordid amusement?

Sounds like you simply delight in hearing yourself spout a bunch of pharma terms.

Are you a Doctor?

-No.

Jabberschmea, that’s what you are.

Any real HEAD will know better that to act on your reckless “ideas”.

Try constructing something usefully informative...

I’ll be waiting.

Bryan
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You must have missed the part where I told him it's risky, if you would have read the entire post you'd see

I'm not encouraging you to this or saying it's a good idea but it'll certainly be extremely intense.

If you do this you should survive (assuming you don't have any preexisting medical problems) but your personality will be altered (with a good chance of it being permanent especially if you use 20-30 mg of the lysergamides).
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So either you can't read or you didn't read the entire post or you just chose to use the the parts that you like when replying because you enjoy reading your stupid posts.

And which fancy pharma terms that can be explained using simpler words did I use?
 
white55 said:
You must have missed the part where I told him it's risky, if you would have read the entire post you'd see



So either you can't read or you didn't read the entire post or you just chose to use the the parts that you like when replying because you enjoy reading your stupid posts.

And which fancy pharma terms that can be explained using simpler words did I use?
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Yeah, I can’t read.

-That’s right.

AND, I have “stupid posts” and need simpler words.

( ...not playing to your baiting, sorry. )

How about YOU do all of those chemicals, at ONCE, and report back.

Here out, I will never read any of your posts.

Bye.
 
LordFran said:
only person who would say this is someone who hasnt worked with DMT.
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Only some one would say that without ever eating 10g dried DMT is intense but shrooms seem to have no damm limit, sorry to break to you but dmt is not the strongest. 1000ug + acid trips that lead to breakthroughs are ineffable shrooms more so. then DMT on top of acid or shrooms thats even more intense and throw a cone of salvia in for good measure on a acid trip. All of these things are leagues above dmt
 
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