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Heroin Safety of smoking ?

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Quinine121

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So I normally snort my h but I’m wondering if it’s better to smoke (chase the dragon) I see conflicting views on this ?

The thing that worries me about smoking is the cases of progressive spongiform leukoencephalopathy that hit a while back

Is this overblown ? Super rare etc etc

And is smoking in peoples views more potent than chipping (snorting) I know it’s supposed to be safer for risk of OD
 
The notion that vaporizing heroin is safer for risk of OD seems BS to me, especially with how prevalent fent and fent analogues are in most heroin these days. If your heroin has a fent hot spot then it's just as dangerous as any route since one small inhalation could be an overdose.

And vaporizing still takes a bit of time before the effects completely stabilize so it's still possible for someone to misjudge, take another hit too soon and push themselves over the edge.

So I just don't see how it's really all that much safer in regards to OD?

Something to consider is that vaporizing heroin is going to have a greater risk of addiction/habituation then snorting since you will be getting the drugs into your brain quicker. It may also increase your tolerance faster too, and after awhile you may no longer be satisfied with snorting anymore.

So moving to vaporizing isn't lowering your risk imo. You will just be passing another milestone along the path that is heroin addiction.
 
MDPV_Psychosis said:
The notion that vaporizing heroin is safer for risk of OD seems BS to me, especially with how prevalent fent and fent analogues are in most heroin these days. If your heroin has a fent hot spot then it's just as dangerous as any route since one small inhalation could be an overdose.

And vaporizing still takes a bit of time before the effects completely stabilize so it's still possible for someone to misjudge, take another hit too soon and push themselves over the edge.

So I just don't see how it's really all that much safer in regards to OD?

Something to consider is that vaporizing heroin is going to have a greater risk of addiction/habituation then snorting since you will be getting more drugs into your brain quicker. It may also increase your tolerance faster too, and after awhile you may no longer be satisfied with snorting anymore.

So moving to vaporizing isn't lowering your risk. You will just be passing another milestone along the path that is heroin addiction.
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Yeah like I said it’s something I heard / read about the smoking side .. not saying it’s true and I see the logic of what you are saying .

In all honesty I am more worried about smoking it for the risk of that nasty disease that some poor bastards got than an OD from snorting or smoking .
 
I used H a few times mainly smoking but couldn't get the hang of it. When I had it iv I got high first time using it like that and was the last. I didn't feel good except vomiting and itchiness. I have noticed people burn the foil first before putting the H on it
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
You're more likely to end up with COPD than some nasty brain disease tbh.

But in terms of OD, i'd still argue that smoking is safer because youre not taking a lot in one go. You can judge the strength easier.
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So how rare is that disease for smokers of H was it just a few outbreaks “back in the day” due to whatever etc

Was it only North America as well ? Or was it a global issue ?

It’s a terrifying damm prospect one guy only smoked for a day and got it .
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
You're more likely to end up with COPD than some nasty brain disease tbh.

But in terms of OD, i'd still argue that smoking is safer because youre not taking a lot in one go. You can judge the strength easier.
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Ok, this does make sense.

Most sensible people probably approach vaporization this way, they inhale some, get a sense for it and proceed accordingly.

But, and maybe it's just cause of the company I used to keep (lol), some people approach vaporization like any other route: they inhale their entire dose in one go in order to achieve the better rush.

So yes, with the right technique smoking sounds safer in terms of OD. I'm probably rambling on about that which is painfully obvious here, guess I'm just trying to 'splain my earlier point of view.
 
i remember the old argument about smoking being safer is that you will pass out before you can consume enough to kill yourself. i remember reading something along those lines in a pamplet getting off right that i got at a needle exchange probably 10 years ago. but i don't think fent was around when that guide was written.
 
Quinine121 said:
Hi

So I normally snort my h but I’m wondering if it’s better to smoke (chase the dragon) I see conflicting views on this ?

The thing that worries me about smoking is the cases of progressive spongiform leukoencephalopathy that hit a while back

Is this overblown ? Super rare etc etc

And is smoking in peoples views more potent than chipping (snorting) I know it’s supposed to be safer for risk of OD
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I always snort my H, considering I'm absolutely sure of the quality. Which in europe doesn't seem to be a problem. All my friends prefer to smoke from foil but that takes them so long and lose a small part of the stuff in the process. smoke of the foil itself is very harmful and in my opinion should be avoided. Using needles constantly is just stupid. I tried needles a few times but it worked just as slow as when I snorted my stuff and never got any initial special rush? There is only a risk of a possible quiker overdose if you are unsure of the quality of what you get. Where I live heroin can be too pure and people intentionally add mix too it because it would be to strong. One of my best friends back then died because he had no mix and his stuff was to pure and died. The strongest heroin that I can get is so pure that 0.2 of a gram is lethal. Usually heroin around here comes in lightbrown powder or bricks and we have never heard of black tar or #1, #2 #3 #4 type of H.
 
I find smoking to be alright but I only did enough to feel ok I felt more than ok at some point to I recommend doing small lines off foil and working from that I used about 1/10-1/8 of my bag do it right and you can get a few lines out of one bump
 
Well I had to snort 0400mg to get toasted but mostly nodding like crazy and vomiting ... I can take 250mg oxy and feel very little so my tolerance is high . H smells like sand and piss I just hope it ain’t too cut
 
Wow, it sounds like either your heroin is really good, or its cut with fent, which I hear is really common in the US. Been on methadone so long now I've kinda forgotten what it's like to get properly nodding, with that lovely euphoric stone to it. Shame that period only lasts a couple of weeks when you're using daily.
I would love to be able to take strong opiates on a casual, recreational basis, but it seems impossible for most people, including me.
I think the only people that can control their use of opiates are those that don't care for them all that much. Not fair, but that's life.
 
axe battler said:
Wow, it sounds like either your heroin is really good, or its cut with fent, which I hear is really common in the US. Been on methadone so long now I've kinda forgotten what it's like to get properly nodding, with that lovely euphoric stone to it. Shame that period only lasts a couple of weeks when you're using daily.
I would love to be able to take strong opiates on a casual, recreational basis, but it seems impossible for most people, including me.
I think the only people that can control their use of opiates are those that don't care for them all that much. Not fair, but that's life.
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Mild euphoria but then I don’t get much of that from oxy either ...

Dont laugh but most euphoric drug for me was codine back when I have a mild tolerance

Nod was heavy I kept falling asleep with a smoke in my hands lol and vomiting about 10 times probably from the amount almost 1-2 a gram

European source
 
Ah no laughter here mate, that's how I started, on codeine and dihydrocodeine. I built up my tolerance with them, and it was heaven at first, and by the time I got to heroin, it just felt like taking codeine the first time again, but more visibly fucked I think.
 
Quinine121 said:
So how rare is that disease for smokers of H was it just a few outbreaks “back in the day” due to whatever etc

Was it only North America as well ? Or was it a global issue ?

It’s a terrifying damm prospect one guy only smoked for a day and got it .
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Are you referring to this by any chance?

en.m.wikipedia.org

MPTP - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

It happened back in the 80s and affected quite a lot of people iirc.
 
axe battler said:
Ah no laughter here mate, that's how I started, on codeine and dihydrocodeine. I built up my tolerance with them, and it was heaven at first, and by the time I got to heroin, it just felt like taking codeine the first time again, but more visibly fucked I think.
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I hear you ... I can swallow a 1000mg of DHC now and get nothing

Tbh I was not
That impressed first time I took ox or h it was like you
Said just a slightly harder buzz than the weaker oppies

I haven’t IV yet but I will at some
Point as it supposed to be the best way with H
 
I suppose we had our honeymoon period with the weaker opiates. For me DHC was just fucking confidence, happiness and motivation in a pill.
I'd imagine if I started out with H I'd be fucking blasted! (I did try H when I was very young and opiate naïve twice, before I even started taking codeine in recreational doses, but wasn't impressed cos me and my mates shared a 10er bag between about 5-6 of us and we didn't have a clue what we were doing. Then the other time I only sniffed half a bag in tiny lines. That was better.but still underwhelming at the time.
 
axe battler said:
I suppose we had our honeymoon period with the weaker opiates. For me DHC was just fucking confidence, happiness and motivation in a pill.
I'd imagine if I started out with H I'd be fucking blasted! (I did try H when I was very young and opiate naïve twice, before I even started taking codeine in recreational doses, but wasn't impressed cos me and my mates shared a 10er bag between about 5-6 of us and we didn't have a clue what we were doing. Then the other time I only sniffed half a bag in tiny lines. That was better.but still underwhelming at the time.
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Yeah that’s how I felt on the codeine ... an hour or so of high euphoria and then 1-2 hours of lovely snoozy fuzzy warmth

Now like I said I almost took 1/2 a gram and while the nod was fierce the euphoria and warmth was minimal .
 
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