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Do you pray?

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I do pray at Mass. If I focus on the reading, listen to the Priest, join in the prayers, and concentrate really well, I find I can clear my mind and the words will reach me. The words are already provided, I just need to hear them and feel them. Its simple but takes a lot of effort.
 
Today is a perfect example of my "faith"

The dog that is mainly my moms but I have been around her since she was a small puppy, picked up her poo & wiped her wee, chased after her when she escaped, laughed at her falling on ice, shouted at her when she stole my food etc, I've been through rehab & when I was locked up for some time in a secure mental health unit after smoking a-pvp for 8 days & went mad the first thing that came to greet me & mean it was the dog, she barked & span around in a circle she was sssooo pleased to see me yet my mom was still pissed off I was a "junkie" & "bringing shame upon the family" etc. I love this dog so much & today I have cried real tears, tears that hurt & come from a place inside you that is raw. I hope here I have put across my emotional feelings & love for this animal as I'm not the best with words sadly.

Now when I got the call yesterday & went to see the dog she is fucked, she is walking around in a circle, not eating her dry food & even refused her most favourite dog treat of thse weird smelling bone looking things, anyway she goes mad for these snacks yet she snubbed them, she is yelping out in a high pitched tone in raw pain every few mins & is really bad right now & it has broken me, I know her time is limited to a few hours, her time upon this earth is limited & washing away like the sand does on the beach (Pete556 you laugh at me on this thread or take the piss I am gonna report you right away as this is NO joke may I add)

Now my "faith" as you may wanna call it I've said about before but for some reason it seems to be a kinda joke to many on here but they cannot seem to understand why I follow the path I do despite the fact I have said why I do what I do, I have had several visions of this being / entity well before I had even heard the name she goes under now, I'd NOT be giving up weed, coffee, tobacco & building an altar to this entity if I hadn't had several experiences that have moved me deeply, several have scared me so badly I was scared to go back into the room where it went down & I'm not a kid etc (I'm closer to 40 than 30 believe it or not folks!!!)

This morning & also later on before my dinner (UK time folks) I prayed & I meant it, I got down upon my knees, made my head "empty" & called out the name of this being & then did what some may call prayer, I told this being why I was so sad, how I loved the dog, why I love the dog etc & for some time just asked for the dog if she has to go today for it to be a quick death, as little pain as possible, why the dog was innocent of stuff like crime etc, why it isn't fair it should be in pain. People take the word "prayer" to be one thing like how you see in a typical Christian church, they see the word prayer & due to all the baggage & the semantics of the word they build a nice image that is pleasing to them to go with the word, though it may fit for 95% of the population NOT EVERYONE who prays does it the sameas these Christian people or the Muslims, Jews etc but for most people who have NEVER had a very potent experience with something they cannot explain in normal words their form of worship doesn't fit into that typical "box" of prayer & if someone like FUBAR for example saw what I get upto he would be shocked.

I prayed for some time & it actually hurt, not only from a physical pain due to sitting there for some time I could feel something inside me become changed & move, I have had this happen several times to me but it is rare. When I pray & I really fucking am going for it I DONT talk in tongue or anything like that, I don't float above the ground, I cannot change into some lizard or god knows what......it feels as if something far "bigger" & "greater" than I am is hearing me, something vast is taking note of what I am saying as for once a person on this earth is truly in a pain, their main pain is a spiritual pain & they are crying out in a way to a higher force for help that cannot be given by ANY human on the planet, they are trying to connect with a force that's billions of times more potent than they are & asking for some kind of help, the kind of help NO doctor or vet can give, a
divine help that is rare to come BUT when it does the whole ground you stand upon will shake, true prayer when done should move you to tears & when it comes to work it should also leave you deeply shaken & be forced to question reality & life itself. You are asking "God" or his / her helpers for some favour to be done.

Like right now I got some items in my bag from that shop that have cost me just over 1/5th of my TOTAL 2 weeks money so when I go pray again today I can show to "S........ M......." what I am asking of her is no joke & I mean it, I come to her with pure respect & love.

FFS I am in the library & I got 1 minute left before the PC goes off & I am not finished yet, I'll wrap this post up tomorrow.

Peace folks & love your pets too!!!!!!!
 
BehindtheShadow said:
To the fact that God is really out there
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"out there" =D and in there <3
The fundamental tenets of this would be where I get spiritual resonance from (in saying that im not into mumbo jumbo bullshit - just what makes sense in terms of human welfare and sustenance including the social and ethical elements of such, as well as the pragmatic - not just to exist but to thrive, all of us!)
You, however, be as shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves!
To each their own, be well whatever you choose, make sure it keeps you well my dear; thats all that matters. <3




We all need this. and we also need this: hope and despair - because life is complex and we are strong. ???
 
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The problem the way I see it is people are stuck in the trap of semantics so the moment the word "prayer" comes up most folks picture foolish Christians going to church on Sunday once a week in their £40,000 BMW, dressed in suits & the wifes Sunday best holding their kids with such pride. Some random guy called the vicar will stand for 30 mins & tell tales from a book & everyone will be forgiven for their "sins" & everything is fine.

For the lost, the poor, the drug addicted prayer doesn't count for that kinda thing, we don't give a single toss for that stuff.
When your arse is in court the next day & your looking at jail, your stomach is empty, you got no way to get cash & know your gonna be ill in a few hours time etc you ask for a higher force to carry your ass out of this mess & I firmly believe in my experience it will be heard. Some of the things that have happened to me are beyond words & all normal logic but I'll not go into them as too many on here think I'm mad or shit has never really happened to me, all I can say to these people is when your really in need you too will learn.
 
People pray all the time, they just don't call it praying.

Every time anybody puts a sincere hope or wish out into the void they are praying.

It can be agentless... i.e. not praying to anyone or anything. Prayer doesn't need an object.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
The problem the way I see it is people are stuck in the trap of semantics so the moment the word "prayer" comes up most folks picture foolish Christians going to church on Sunday once a week in their £40,000 BMW, dressed in suits & the wifes Sunday best holding their kids with such pride. Some random guy called the vicar will stand for 30 mins & tell tales from a book & everyone will be forgiven for their "sins" & everything is fine.
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That's not how it works.

"We are not looking for a shallow joy but rather a joy that comes from faith, that grows through unselfish love, that respects the “fundamental duty of love of neighbour, without which it would be unbecoming to speak of Joy." Pope John Paul II, November 1986, Adelaide, Australia.
 
I've considered this question for a while, because I found my first moments of awakening during periods in my life where I did spend time in prayer, I do see a value in it despite rarely practicing it now. The ability to face your worst fears in the presence of a diety helped as a child finding courage, all through life prayer was the Christian goto.

Coming to an understanding of life through (out of) Christianity, meant a lot of beliefs and practices didn't match reality very well but prayer had value despite the intentions. I was always taught prayer was my time to emptying my head of all the things I wanted to stop worrying about by giving them to "God" and leaving them there, followed by a time of quiet meditation where "God" would speak back.

Despite the framework of the belief, I got results from the practice, which improved with both practice and dissolution of belief. There was a moment of disconnect when my belief in the diety I was praying too no longer existed and the practice of meditation (listening to God) was the primary reason.

Today when I find myself in prayer, the only real difference is I accept the diety I am speaking to is located in my mind and the answers coming back seem to be as well. Ultimately the value of the practice really hasn't declined but I have learned to spend more time listening.

Comparing the value of prayer and blogging. Both can be therapeutic one is safe, one will give you feedback you may not notice you need.
 
I don't ritually pray. I do however, more out of habit than anything else, "reject outcomes". So since, several years ago now actually, I have a habit of expressing my desire to the universe by rejecting mentally what I don't see any use in. For instance, I reject the thought of being through hardship for which I learn no lessons, or have lasting resentment.

My main goal through these wishes is to avoid unnecessary misery.
 
I pray, just not to a specific diety of any organized religion and I show reverence and, if compelled, join when others are praying, regardless of their diety. I typically don't pray for miracles (although I'm sure I might under some circumstances). I do ask for improved health for those in need and I do try to remain thankful for life's blessings. In my most sincere prayers I ask for wisdom, strength, and peace for myself or those that I know are struggling.
 
Nixiam said:
I don't ritually pray. I do however, more out of habit than anything else, "reject outcomes". So since, several years ago now actually, I have a habit of expressing my desire to the universe by rejecting mentally what I don't see any use in. For instance, I reject the thought of being through hardship for which I learn no lessons, or have lasting resentment.

My main goal through these wishes is to avoid unnecessary misery.
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I do similar, but for me it's more positive visualizations rather than rejecting negative ones. I think the idea is really similar though. Putting your intentions out there clearly helps you to focus on what you want, which helps to make it real.
 
Shadowmeister said:
I do similar, but for me it's more positive visualizations rather than rejecting negative ones. I think the idea is really similar though. Putting your intentions out there clearly helps you to focus on what you want, which helps to make it real.
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I’m glad that the “Do you pray” topic came up.

I don’t.

But, as a exercise in affirmations and alignments with the correct and efficient flow of life energy, I will start today.

To what / who?...

When truth speaks, it has no name.
 
flabberghost said:
I’m glad that the “Do you pray” topic came up.

I don’t.

But, as a exercise in affirmations and alignments with the correct and efficient flow of life energy, I will start today.

To what / who?...

When truth speaks, it has no name.
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Depends on what you feel a calling towards, I never use to pray or do anything in regard to give praise or ask help from a being / entity till I had an experience & from that day I've prayed to "her"

Unless you have been shaken to the core by an experience I se it as kinda dumb to just bash out "prayers" in a church or from a book of prayers to some entity you had no personal contact / experience with. That is just my view though so no disrespect if your path is different to mine.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
Depends on what you feel a calling towards, I never use to pray or do anything in regard to give praise or ask help from a being / entity till I had an experience & from that day I've prayed to "her"

Unless you have been shaken to the core by an experience I se it as kinda dumb to just bash out "prayers" in a church or from a book of prayers to some entity you had no personal contact / experience with. That is just my view though so no disrespect if your path is different to mine.
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I think that you may be projecting your own concept of “prayer” over all of this.

These are not ritualized formula, bound by dogma, or any physical building.

It can be a simple expression of respect, for the awesome power of creation that is flowing through you, right now.

The fact that your own mind can process, and conceptualize what you are reading RIGHT NOW, is a wonder in itself.

Reality is an interactive process.

What you BELIEVE, and align yourself with, WILL manifest.

“Prayer” is simply a conscious exercise of focusing your WILL, in resonance with the “BIG IS”.

Maybe, by not being bound by conventional constructs, in any provential ( ? ) way, one can free themselves to be open to broader possibilities.

“Belief”, is a malleable prospect.

We can shape a working energy system, when we acknowledge that there are bigger forces in-play, and that we can align with those forces, at any time, in many ways, and in any place.

Further, and Sincerely:
May God Bless You.

Bryan
 
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Shadowmeister said:
Nice post. :) Welcome to Bluelight by the way.
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Hey!

Thanks for the welcome!

I’m glad to have found this...

( Have been following Maps, and Rick
Doplin —- correct?! from years ago )

I’m wary of all varieties of social media, but as far as psychedelics and associated issues go, ( “God” ) it’s about time for me to chime-in, and participate more.

I’ll look forward to being a voice in this platform, and hope to add value.

Thanks!

Bryan
 
Cool! :)

It's Rick Doblin, but yeah he's a great guy, he's done so much with MAPS to get MDMA and psilocybin-assisted therapy going again.
 
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