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Poppy Seed Tea - First Time - No Joke

negrogesic

negrogesic

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I have always discounted poppy seed tea, but recently conducted a few experiments with it. I found what I believed to be very strong, unwashed seeds full of plant material and did an initial dose at 1 pound. This dose was exceptionally strong and ultimately quite unpleasant (it easily felt like 600mg+ of morphine, and i don't have much of a tolerance currently -- other than my permanent tolerance from years of past abuse), and rather anxiogenic (perhaps due to a high thebaine content?). At first (after 45 minutes of consuming) I felt great but by hour 3 the effect continued to strengthen, at which point the fun was over and I became worried. It produced profuse vomiting, my breathing was labored and i was rather concerned. In my morphine delirium I scrambled to administer some stimulants to keep me awake (my girlfriend, as always, was clueless as to what was going on). I had pinpointed pupils for about 36 hours after consuming. I later read an article that quantified morphine and codeine content in poppy seed extracts where some samples reached close to 3,000mg of morphine per kilo (I would estimate a lethal dose of morphine for me in my current state could be as little as 850mg -- though probably greater). This means that had I used a pound of that ~1,400mg/pound batch I would have potentially required multiple doses of antagonist to survive. Later experiments with the seeds I acquired with 1/4 pound (~110 grams) extractions produced strong effects consistent with 150mg of oral morphine. Granted these were the strongest seeds I could find, but caution should be taken here.

Below is the data from the poppy seed quantification study I found in my delirium as I scrambled to figure out how badly I had fucked myself over. The safe approach would be to assume you chanced upon the strongest batch of seeds (3g/kilo of morphine) and dose accordingly. All in good fun though....

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For information's sake here are the rest of the assays (check out #8, sounds like a shitty time).

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Wow, thanks for such a scientific and detailed report! Yeah poppy seed tea was my opiate of choice over everything when I was addicted to opiates, the last few years anyway. Recently in another thread here someone was talking about how different strains of the opium poppy have different ratios of alkaloids, and that there is a high thebaine content strain used by pharma to produce many different opioids that use thebaine as a starting point. I forget who it was but this poster said that he believes much of the seeds circulating now are from these plants (the implication perhaps being that they know people are using them to get high, or else they just had a lot of seeds to get rid of by chance). Back when I was using them, I noticed that from some sources the high would be much nicer and more relaxing than others. I eventually found a source for almost laughably cheap seeds in 25 pound boxes, so strong, it was the best opiate high ever, super euphoric, lots of nodding, lasted a whole day, amazing body feeling.

But yeah seeds are dangerous because you don't know how strong they are. If you found a batch and needed 2 pounds because they were weak, and then you did 2 pounds of a strong batch, it could easily kill you. You have to start small with poppy seed tea. It's certainly no joke. Back when I was addicted to opiates I could take poppy seed tea, and I would start to feel minor withdrawals 36 hours later but I'd make it to 48 hours before taking it again without much trouble. Very long-lasting, which is odd because isolated morphine doesn't last nearly as long. I've always wondered what's going on with that.
 
dude why you writing shit with charts and that just write your trip report and write any details yourself the graphs ruined this for me

PS. You lucky git i have yet to have a batch that effects me more than codeine or even dhc
 
Shadowmeister said:
Very long-lasting, which is odd because isolated morphine doesn't last nearly as long. I've always wondered what's going on with that.
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My theory as to the obscene duration of poppy seed tea (which greatly exceeds that of oral morphine and even that of the already long-lasting poppy pod tea) is that the large amount of lipids/phospholipids present essentially create a liposomal drug delivery system, whereby the vigorous shaking of the seeds has a sonicating effect that produces liposomes that surround the alkaloid solution. (Sonification of amphipatic lipids is in fact how they produce some of the liposomal modified release drugs.) Essentially you are creating a mega-dose morphine extended-release solution. This would ostensibly explain, 1) the slow onset, 2) the obscene duration and 3) the reports of protracted withdrawal syndromes that more closely resemble methadone withdrawal than morphine/opium withdrawal.

I have a ton of experience with poppy pod tea, which I used to prepare via a fast high pressure steam extraction. It kicked like a mule with a delightfully warm IR morphine rush that was preferable to the seed tea (albeit shorter lasting), but I must admit (and i thought id never say this) the poppy seed tea isn't bad. The weaker rush, higher incidence of nausea, thebaine-mediated anxiety and unpredictable dosing are major drawbacks however. I mean, I almost OD'd the first time I tried it (and it felt strong enough to kill most opioid naive individuals). Not bad though, especially considering it's hard to come across an amount of morphine that will almost kill you for only $10...
 
Felt high and itchy for 20 hours total. Hours 1-3 were very nice, the rest was not fun. Pupils were constricted for 36 hours, and I was constipated for days. I promised myself I'd never try it again, and of course a second attempt was made a week later at 1/4th the amount with good results.
 
Pete556 said:
dude why you writing shit with charts and that just write your trip report and write any details yourself the graphs ruined this for me

PS. You lucky git i have yet to have a batch that effects me more than codeine or even dhc
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I appreciate the charts, not sure why you'd have a problem with them... he also wrote about his experience. The charts are relevant and add to the report.

negrogesic said:
My theory as to the obscene duration of poppy seed tea (which greatly exceeds that of oral morphine and even that of the already long-lasting poppy pod tea) is that the large amount of lipids/phospholipids present essentially create a liposomal drug delivery system, whereby the vigorous shaking of the seeds has a sonicating effect that produces liposomes that surround the alkaloid solution. (Sonification of amphipatic lipids is in fact how they produce some of the liposomal modified release drugs.) Essentially you are creating a mega-dose morphine extended-release solution. This would ostensibly explain, 1) the slow onset, 2) the obscene duration and 3) the reports of protracted withdrawal syndromes that more closely resemble methadone withdrawal than morphine/opium withdrawal.
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Very interesting, that's a sound theory, I've never heard one to explain it. A lot of people just don't believe me. PST gets a bad rap but honestly I've tried most opiates and the seeds I was getting were my favorite opiate. That includes heroin too (though I never injected). It's partly the length. If you get seeds without so much thebaine, there's really not a downside (other than unpredictable dosing of course - that's why I would buy from the same source in 25 pound boxes. I inquired and they always got it from the same source too).
 
negrogesic said:
Felt high and itchy for 20 hours total. Hours 1-3 were very nice, the rest was not fun. Pupils were constricted for 36 hours, and I was constipated for days. I promised myself I'd never try it again, and of course a second attempt was made a week later at 1/4th the amount with good results.
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I think my technique to extract the akaloids might suck what do you do shake them in a bottle? do you find when you use so many seeds that its basically impossible to shake the water enough
 
Pete556 said:
I think my technique to extract the akaloids might suck what do you do shake them in a bottle? do you find when you use so many seeds that its basically impossible to shake the water enough
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Place in a 2 liter plastic soda bottle. For 110 grams of seeds i used about 20 ounces of water. Add a few teaspons of lemon juice. Shake hard for about 10 minutes. Turn the bottle upside down and unscrew the cap just enough to left the fluid to drip out. Squeeze hard and force out all the fluid. A few times I have placed the liquid on the stove in a saucepan to simmer it down into a smaller amount of liquid. Next time i will try to make a crude extraction most likely.
 
I did basically what negrogesic described, but I used a 32 ounce Gatorade bottle, they even had an area in the middle that you could fit your hand around. Plenty of room for water. But a 20 ounce would work too. And yeah just unscrew the cap a little bit so it's still attached, and squeeze all the liquid out, the do it again, and voila.
 
negrogesic said:
My theory as to the obscene duration of poppy seed tea (which greatly exceeds that of oral morphine and even that of the already long-lasting poppy pod tea) is that the large amount of lipids/phospholipids present essentially create a liposomal drug delivery system, whereby the vigorous shaking of the seeds has a sonicating effect that produces liposomes that surround the alkaloid solution. (Sonification of amphipatic lipids is in fact how they produce some of the liposomal modified release drugs.) Essentially you are creating a mega-dose morphine extended-release solution. This would ostensibly explain, 1) the slow onset, 2) the obscene duration and 3) the reports of protracted withdrawal syndromes that more closely resemble methadone withdrawal than morphine/opium withdrawal.

I have a ton of experience with poppy pod tea, which I used to prepare via a fast high pressure steam extraction. It kicked like a mule with a delightfully warm IR morphine rush that was preferable to the seed tea (albeit shorter lasting), but I must admit (and i thought id never say this) the poppy seed tea isn't bad. The weaker rush, higher incidence of nausea, thebaine-mediated anxiety and unpredictable dosing are major drawbacks however. I mean, I almost OD'd the first time I tried it (and it felt strong enough to kill most opioid naive individuals). Not bad though, especially considering it's hard to come across an amount of morphine that will almost kill you for only $10...
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Great theory man makes a lot of sense. I've been wondering why it lasts so long for like 12 yrs.

PST can definitely be very strong. I've known 3 ppl who pretty much only used PST during 5+ year opioid addictions and when they went on methadone treatment they all settled around the 100mg mark. And methadone is something like 2-3 times the potency of morphine and also in terms of oral bioavailability morphine is something like 30% as opposed to methadone which I think is more like 90% so going by that their daily dose of tea must have had somewhere between 500mg - 900mg morphine or a mix of alkaloids equating to that effect, so it's surely no joke.
 
Also when I was in rehab in 2012 I met a guy from Christchurch which is essentially the opioid addiction capital of NZ. I was talking about how i was using homebake heroin (imported 'real' heroin is exceedingly rare here) and he asked if I was using poppybake which I had never heard of, he went on to describe how they made poppy seed tea and 'PH'd it' (after some research I decided that what he meant was manipulating PH to cause the morphine to precipitate out of the liquid, after they recovered it from the liquid it was 'cooked' the traditional homebake way resulting in a smokeable form of homebake heroin. And he said that each kilo of seeds netted them a gram of this drug, which is an amazing yield (although I imagine it certainly was far from completely pure) which I believe is why he only talked about smoking it.

The junkie in me always fantasizes about doing this some day as I always feel a bit bummed out when I drink PST as I'm constantly thinking about how badly absorbed morphine is orally and how it would be amazing if you could harness it for 'other' more efficient routes of administration
 
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Quere said:
Also when I was in rehab in 2012 I met a guy from Christchurch which is essentially the opioid addiction capital of NZ. I was talking about how i was using homebake heroin (imported 'real' heroin is exceedingly rare here) and he asked if I was using poppybake which I had never heard of, he went on to describe how they made poppy seed tea and 'PH'd it' (after some research I decided that what he meant was manipulating PH to cause the morphine to precipitate out of the liquid, after they recovered it from the liquid it was 'cooked' the traditional homebake way resulting in a smokeable form of homebake heroin. And he said that each kilo of seeds netted them a gram of this drug, which is an amazing yield (although I imagine it certainly was far from completely pure) which I believe is why he only talked about smoking it.

The junkie in me always fantasizes about doing this some day as I always feel a bit bummed out when I drink PST as I'm constantly thinking about how badly absorbed morphine is orally and how it would be amazing if you could harness it for 'other' more efficient routes of administration
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A few years ago I went on a poppy tea research frenzy, lol. Some researchers bought twenty-something different brands of poppy seed and brewed them each into tea, then they checked how much morphine was in the liquid. The very very highest had over 3 grams of morphine per kilogram of seed!
 
Yes...though it was 2.7g per kilo...(the results from the paper you are referencing are actually included in this trip report).
 
LOL negrogesic I didn't think to check higher up in the thread! I'm sorry lol... I wish we had a similar study on the seeds brand sold here in aussie, I've been testing them (on myself lol) and some are stronger than others but I haven't found nothing SUPER strong... yet!
 
In Turkey,till now, I haven't had any luck with seeds. On the other hand, it's very easy to get dried pods as floral arrangements or craft items online. They are always good quality and they see less risky than seeds to me. But I respect their power and when I get a new batch, I usually start by eating 2 (I don't usually make tea). Once I got fresh ones in NYC from a florist and my friend nearly overdosed with just a few of them. That's how I learned to respect the power of this plant.
 
hokkaido_princess said:
LOL negrogesic I didn't think to check higher up in the thread! I'm sorry lol... I wish we had a similar study on the seeds brand sold here in aussie, I've been testing them (on myself lol) and some are stronger than others but I haven't found nothing SUPER strong... yet!
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When i was living in adelaide -- without the knowledge of my girlfriend at the time -- i tried a couple brands, one of which worked well (the rest being useless). Australia has high quality pods and seeds (the former of which don't make it out much, but seeds are widely sold). Gotta watch out for the high thebaine content Australia seeds however.
 
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