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The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

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As I'm thinking of this, I'm wondering, have you heard anyone actually supporting Trump as of late? Of course, there are always some blind followers of any cause, but for the majority of the Rep base...I don't recall a whole lot of Trump support as of late. Mostly silence. It could be they were waiting for the Mueller investigation to destroy Trump, in which case they may not have wanted to be seen cheering for someone corrupt. But when that didn't happen, I didn't hear a great rush of "Yay Trump!" other than the ones who stayed by his side and claimed exoneration.

My point being, the above criticisms of conservative Christians ... I've not seen them marching in the streets or even commenting publicly much in favor of Trump. Just...silence.
 
There are still tons of news article comments with the same sort of rhetoric... the report is faked, but Clinton, etc etc. I think it must be getting harder to justify though. I wonder if any Trump die-hards dare to actually read the report? Because one thing's for sure, Barr's "interpretation" of its contents was a gross mischaracterization, and it does not make Trump look good at all and instead paints a picture that, at best, indicates someone who is totally immoral in their behavior, and likely constitutes obstruction of justice at least (but of course Mueller is not the one to indict if an indictment happens). It also clearly spells out the level of Russian interference that happened in the election, and the multiple attempts of them trying to make contact with Trump's administration to help his campaign, and the multiple times actual meetings were held between the two. It's 400 pages of details about this stuff. Even with big redactions it looks really bad. I wonder what's in the redactions?
 
It boggles the mind at first, but then it makes perfect sense. Right wing conservative Christians are hypocrites at their core and have been for as long as I've been alive, at least. You can't claim to follow Jesus Christ then devote your entire life to doing the opposite of what he taught.
If you read parts of the Bible you understand this Christians are following the teachings of the Bible

It’s just a hate filled ideology
 
If you read parts of the Bible you understand this Christians are following the teachings of the Bible

It’s just a hate filled ideology

It definitely is. But if you look at the things Jesus supposedly said, like

Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his soul?
All the other ones they always quote, etc.

Apply those to Trump.
 
What they always quote is kool-aid to get you to join the cool kids lunch table, and then they have you for life. *shrugs*

DJT's entire existence is kind of a metaphysical answer to the question, "for what shall it profit...?" imo. A soulless monster.

As I'm thinking of this, I'm wondering, have you heard anyone actually supporting Trump as of late?
I have friends who are still 100% Trump supporters (rich and poor) who are all for the wall, etc.

It's always weird and unique to get to hear from them.
 
I raised the question as I haven't seen much noise supporting him.

But also, the other site I frequent is right of center compared to BL being way left of center in general. With that right leaning group, I've stepped back to observe what's got their pistons popping, and it appears to be:

  • A good bit of noise about Ilhan Omar's words - whether it was the earlier anti-Israel rhetoric, or more recently condemning US military action in Mogadishu (Black Hawk Down) that is catching a bunch of pushback from those that were there on a mission to protect humanitarian aid.
  • The aftermath of the Mueller report and Barr's summary - there is a completely 180 view of those documents as being nothing against Trump produced, but many doors opened into the Deep State, even to Hillary's misdeeds with hopes of investigations and indictments to come from those.
  • Anti-muslim consipracy talk - pointing to all the church fires in France where no evidence has been provided for/against who might be behind them and taking that as fear by the French gov't to allude to it being terrorirstic, scrutiny over any voilence anywhere (US in particular) where a lack of pointing to an owner for the actions is MSM or gov't efforts to diffuse uncontrolled backlash against muslims (meaning, if you can't name the perpetrator his name must be Mohammed).
My point here being it is all 'attack' commentary. It may hide behind 'defending' (of America, in Omar's case), or 'fairness' (partly strike back, partly wanting equal inquiry into earlier wrong doing that they perceive as white washed by Deep State). Like most here who see Barr/Mueller docs as looking bad for Trump and still seeking some sense of 'he did wrong, punish him', they have a sense of players on the left 'did wrong, need punished'. Nowhere am I seeing positive voices in support of things - certainly not of Trump, despite the fact that Presidential duties do not stop. Trump's still talking with Pelosi, and doing other things both internationally and domestically, but I'm not seeing anyone grabbing thing and saying "This is good, we need to do this (whatever it may be), and thank God Trump is addressing it." It's all 'attack the left', much as possible, as opposed to supporting the right, or more specifically supporting Trump.
 
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re: TLB - Yes it seems very defensive... deflection, deflection. Just like "but Hillary", all along.

If you read parts of the Bible you understand this Christians are following the teachings of the Bible

It’s just a hate filled ideology

The old testament is hate-filled and awful, but the NT, specifically Jesus' words/teachings, are quite beautiful and filled with love. He basically said to never use violence, love everyone as your brother/sister, distribute wealth to allow everyone to live thewir lives. He was very radical but he was radical against the status quo of the world then, which is represented in the old testament. Christians should see the OT as setting the backdrop for Jesus, and Jesus is supposed to have changed everything. Quoting from the OT to justify acts, for Christians, is nonsense and usually goes against Jesus according to the NT.

“Some people did something” was pretty terrible.

I didn't see any of the context so I can't really have a solid opinion, but I could see those words as part of a greater context not being terrible, and just being a poor choice of words to make a valid point, or something. It's being spun like she was minimizing 9/11 but it's not necessarily true.
 
She was talking about the roll back of civil rights on the Muslim American community and it is abhorrent because if you study NYC everyone had civil right rollbacks thanks to Giuliani and his brown shirt police force. Stop and frisk became mandatory. Zero oversight for police officers who had a problem with the discriminatory measures. It wasn't just Muslim Americans who faced this.

Her comments underscored 9/11 and they underscored the erosion of civil liberties. Just my 2c. Perhaps a poor choice of words, but I read heavier into it.
 
The old testament is hate-filled and awful, but the NT, specifically Jesus' words/teachings, are quite beautiful and filled with love. He basically said to never use violence, love everyone as your brother/sister, distribute wealth to allow everyone to live thewir lives. He was very radical but he was radical against the status quo of the world then, which is represented in the old testament. Christians should see the OT as setting the backdrop for Jesus, and Jesus is supposed to have changed everything. Quoting from the OT to justify acts, for Christians, is nonsense and usually goes against Jesus according to the NT.

Yeah the peace and understanding thing kinda falls apart toward the end though.
 
Yeah the peace and understanding thing kinda falls apart toward the end though.

Yeah I mean some of that stuff was written 400 years after Jesus lived... even some of his apostles like Paul I think went a bad way with it after he died. Rome appropriated the religion around 300 AD for social control purposes. Roman Catholicism was never about Jesus, really. They decided what texts to include in the Bible too... there are others that are really interesting and paint a different picture, especially the Gnostic texts that were written much closer to Jesus's life.

I'm not a Christian I just have thought about the situation a lot, and I was also raised Christian though I always pretty much knew it wasn't real.
 
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Trump signed executive order putting military in charge of federal background checks

President Donald Trump signed an executive order late Wednesday officially making the U.S. military responsible for virtually all security background checks for millions of federal workers, the latest step by the administration to tackle a daunting backlog of security clearance cases.

The order calls for the National Background Investigations Bureau, currently under the civilian Office of Personnel Management, to be absorbed by the Department of Defense under a reorganized, and renamed, Defense Counterintelligence and Security Agency.

Though Congress mandated in the 2018 National Defense Authorization Act that a majority of the investigative bureau's caseload be transferred to the Defense Department in phases, Wednesday’s order lifts the entire bureau -- and the 95 percent of all federal background checks it processes -- and places it all under military authority.

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A senior administration official told ABC News the bigger move would be more efficient and effective than “bifurcat[ing]” the background check system between two departments.

In June 2018 the Trump administration identified the security clearance process as one of many targets for drastic government reform.

“The Administration recognizes that background investigations are critical to enabling national security missions and ensuring public trust in the workforce across the Government,” a White House report said at the time.

The report noted that the “background investigation inventory” – the cases to be processed – had risen to three-quarters of a million and that the average Top Secret background investigation takes four times as long as it should.

In congressional testimony in March 2018 National Background Investigations Bureau Director Charles Phalen partially blamed much of the then-ballooning backlog on the 2014 cancellation of a federal contract that stripped the bureau of more than half its investigative force and "increased demand" by the bureau's government customers.

“This is an unsustainable way to do business,” the White House report said.

The report argued the military is better positioned to handle the massive caseload and already conducts security clearance evaluations for several agencies.

On Wednesday Phalen told a security conference the backlog has since been reduced by 32 percent, to just under 500,000 cases.

“The numbers are still not where they need to be, but we’ve moved that needle significantly,” Phalen told a security conference, according to a Defense One report. “We’ve improved wait times 50 percent to 60 percent in many categories, but have some outliers that skew the average.”

The large-scale transfer to the military is happening in the background of a security clearance controversy in the White House, where a whistleblower alleges more than two dozen officials, reportedly including Jared Kushner, received high-level clearances over the objections of career security specialists.

The militarization of the government (e.g., the appointments of Generals Mattis, McMaster, and Kelly to positions usually held by civilians) is troubling, particularly at the border.

In the spirit of the Founding Fathers, keep the "church" and state separate.
 
President Trump is not that bad.
I understand that many of you lefties are butt-hurt, but Trump is actually doing ok. He has achieved some good things, for which Americans should feel proud.
Over here, in Australia, we look on longingly, wishing...if only we had a Donald Trump to save us from politicians who have sold us down the river, leaving us drowning in debt that can never be repaid.
De-industrialized, our youth with few options for employment. Apprenticeships have all but vanished, importing cheaply made chinese junk and no longer manufacturing anything ourselves. We don't even have a steel mill in this hopeless country anymore. Our Politicians are so irrelevant, it really doesn't matter who they are or what they say. Parasites with their snouts in the trough. Our media, like yours is a laughing stock. Australia has no leadership, no vision,no hope. Oh how we wished we had your President Trump, someone to put his country first.
You may not like him. He's probably not very likable. But that's ok. He might does some stupid shit...sure. But he is not THAT bad. Some of the things he is doing are good. He does care about America, and the well-being of Americans. If only we someone like that.
I feel proud of America. You did so well for not electing just another worthless sell-out politician. Thank God for President Trump.
Well done America. Top class.
 
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