US Politics The Mueller Investigation - report is out

[JGrimez]

I just believe the evidence and I listen to everyone, including government documents and reporting from all sides which corroborate the coup story.

It's funny that you single out Trump as the only liar. Do you think Comey is honest? lol

 

[cduggles]

You make all this sound really bad but none of this is illegal.

Thanks. That means a lot coming from you.

All this investigation has is speculation and insinuations.
No evidence, no proof, not even an accusation of a specific Trump against Trump.

Investigations are based on speculation and insinuation about things that have been deemed important enough to investigate. Or it would be called something else...? Like a report, maybe.

You speak as if you still believe that Mueller is going to uncover evidence of Trump committing crimes..

I think any ambulance chaser could uncover evidence of Trump's crimes. He isn't subtle; he's just not accustomed to accountability. Yet.

But I think Mueller will stick closely to his mandate and let the South District of New York tear Trump to shreds in a personal manner. And the House Dems are going to beat Trump like a pi?ata.

 

[JGrimez]

Investigations are based on speculation and insinuation about things that have been deemed important enough to investigate. Or it would be called something else...? Like a report, maybe.

No an investigation based on insinuations is a witch hunt. You need evidence, you need some kind of observable crime that happened. What was the crime that launched the investigation? I'll tell you - it was Trump winning the election and the cabal freaking out about it. Doesn't it concern you that after so long there's no evidence? You know if there was something substantial that it would've leaked, every other useless piece of information proving nothing leaked!

I think any ambulance chaser could uncover evidence of Trump's crimes. He isn't subtle; he's just not accustomed to accountability. Yet.

*yawn* over 2 years later and you're still claiming that the walls are closing in for Trump. It's embarrassing. You continue to hurt your credibility.

Will you ever admit this was a false investigation to remove Trump? Not because he actually committed any crimes.
If you won't, then please inform me as to which specific crimes you think that he committed (and why so long to have them come out?)
It should be obvious to anyone by now that they have no evidence.

 

[DrewDogBaby209]

Everything that Trump and you don't like is referred to as fake news. That's some funny ass shit man.

 

[DrewDogBaby209]

I just believe the evidence and I listen to everyone, including government documents and reporting from all sides which corroborate the coup story.

It's funny that you single out Trump as the only liar. Do you think Comey is honest? lol

Compared to Trump... Comey is a fucking saint. Just curious but what country do you live in?

 

[JGrimez]

Compared to Trump... Comey is a fucking saint.

I can tell that you do not know much about this entire issue and get all of your information from the provably honest mainstream media.

What's the relevance of what country I live in? If I said Russia, what would you say?
Are you a racist? Xenophobic? Sexist?

 

[JGrimez]

cduggles:

"I haven't seen any evidence of actual violations of the law, which is usually a basis before you start an investigation. Adam Schiff seems to be copying Joseph McCarthy in wanting to open up investigations when they don't have any evidence of wrongdoing"

 

[cduggles]

Excellent retort.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Quoting Harry von Spakovsky? He sounds Russian.

 

[DrewDogBaby209]

I can tell that you do not know much about this entire issue and get all of your information from the provably honest mainstream media.

What's the relevance of what country I live in? If I said Russia, what would you say?
Are you a racist? Xenophobic? Sexist?

And you get your information for right wing media conspiracy websites... So your info must be correct huh? I see that you use Breitbart as a reference a lot. Yeah, they're honest lol.

It doesn't matter what country you live in. I'm just trying to figure out why someone who doesn't even live in the US would be so in love with our fake president... Just curious that all.

 

[Xorkoth]

Bingo.
I hope they don't find anything because then it will expose them for what they are - the government can then clean up the agencies - and they can then work how they're supposed to.

If they find something, would you be glad they found it? If he did do it, and they find it, it shows their competence. If they don't find anything, then yes that also exposes a truth about them, or about whoever ordered the investigation.

My guess, however, is that there is sufficient vitriol and anger about this situation on both sides that a lot of people will remain stuck at their current conclusions regardless of what happens. Trump supporters will just claim the evidence was fabricated and the deep state succeeded in a coup if he's guilty, and Trump haters will think it's bullshit if he's found innocent. Hopefully a lot of people will be able to be reasonable about the outcome, though, and change their minds if they're wrong.

No evidence, no proof, not even an accusation of a specific Trump against Trump.

You speak as if you still believe that Mueller is going to uncover evidence of Trump committing crimes..

I don't know how you can be so sure. I don't know if they'll find anything to support the claims or not, and neither do you. The report has not been made public. Mueller is talking to Congress so we'll have to wait until we're allowed to know, and until then it's just speculation from both sides. Just because we don't know anything yet doesn't mean he hasn't found anything, it just means the public doesn't know. It also doesn't mean there is no evidence... evidence for a case isn't revealed to the public as it's discovered. It MIGHT mean he hasn't found anything but don't act like everyone who hasn't found the idea laughable by now is some sort of idiot or sheeple (which is how you're coming across as feeling).

 

[Keif' Richards]

Because I'm smart and don't believe the fake news.

That's also why I know the details of the FISA scandal and take it seriously.

Jgrimez, I know we've never met before my man and this is, well, regrettable on my part. I really wasn't aware that we had such a knowledgeable and astute Truth-Seeker in our midst. I am so sick of people making this ridiculous assumption that a lifetime FBI agent would be somehow more scrupulous than a businessman who inherited all of his wealth from his Father. I get so tired of people talking about that, too. What, it's illegal to not have to work in this country? I think not. All of this talk of the President of our country being an agent in the employ of the Russian Intelligence Services? Evidence, shmevidence. Like you can't create evidence? I think not. You can't commit Philosophical Treason against your own people, lie about it and profit from it?

Oh wait...

In all seriousness your verbatim quote "Because I'm smart and don't believe the fake news" had me laughing so hard that I had tears running down my eyes and my roommate came to check if I was okay once I started bashing my head on the desk in a futile attempt to end my own laughter. The only reason I can type this now is because, as a Jew, I can always tap into my own well. A well of guilt, shame and horror associated with the persecution, torture and death of millions of my relatives over the course of over a decade at the hands of a Fascist buffoon like the one you have such a hard on for. Don't give me that shit about Kushner either. The only Jewish thing about that cat is his last name. He can, politely, suck the collective cocks of Israel. We don't want his help. The goys can keep him.

Fun fact about Adolf Hitler class, one of his earliest and most successful campaign slogans?

I'm Going to Make Germany Great Again

If you want references, send me a note. I think in the meantime you need to practice your researching abilities. This is not the only post of your that I've had the pleasure of reading. Truly funny shit man. You made my day and I was not havin a great one.

I've really enjoyed reading the updates to the Mueller thread. Good stuff.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Mueller Delivers Report on Trump-Russia Investigation to Attorney General

Mr. Barr told congressional leaders in a letter late Friday that he may brief them within days on the special counsel’s findings. “I may be in a position to advise you of the special counsel’s principal conclusions as soon as this weekend,” he wrote in a letter to the leadership of the House and Senate Judiciary committees.

It is up to Mr. Barr how much of the report to share with Congress and, by extension, the American public. The House voted unanimously in March on a nonbinding resolution to make public the report’s findings, an indication of the deep support within both parties to air whatever evidence prosecutors uncovered.

Mr. Barr wrote that he “remained committed to as much transparency as possible and I will keep you informed as to the status of my review.” He also said that Justice Department officials never had to check Mr. Mueller because he proposed an inappropriate or unwarranted investigative step — an action that Mr. Barr would have been required to report to Congress under the regulations. His statement suggests that Mr. Mueller’s inquiry proceeded without political interference.

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Only a handful of law enforcement officials have seen the report, a Justice Department spokeswoman, Kerri Kupec, said. She said a few members of Mr. Mueller’s team would remain to close down the office. Mr. Mueller will not recommend any new charges be filed, a senior Justice Department official said.

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Late Friday afternoon release to avoid the press?

 

[LucidSDreamr]

And you get your information for right wing media conspiracy websites... So your info must be correct huh? I see that you use Breitbart as a reference a lot. Yeah, they're honest lol.

It doesn't matter what country you live in. I'm just trying to figure out why someone who doesn't even live in the US would be so in love with our fake president... Just curious that all.

The only reason anyone like him is because hes openly racist. And most ppl are racist.

Otherwise most conservatives both establishment politicians and his hick evangelical base would all hate him

 

[David Wooderson]

$25,000,000+ wasted dollars

2 years of fruitless time and effort

No further indictments (and zero involving Russian collusion), no collusion between Russia and the Trump admin %)

Who here feels like duped morons for letting the same idiots tasked with telling you what to think, and whom just failed to legislate a coup d'etat, brainwash you into believing this intellectually insulting fiction in the first place????

[video]https://youtu.be/-Jf4UKT7OBk[/video]

[video]https://youtu.be/2yrT0DpvfVI[/video]
"You may not be looking for the promised land
But you might find it anyway
Under one of those old familiar names
Like New Orleans (New Orleans)
Detroit City (Detroit City), Dallas (Dallas)
Pittsburgh P.A. (Pittsburgh P.A.)
New York City (New York City)
Kansas City (Kansas City)
Atlanta (Atlanta)
Chicago and L.A."


MAGA

 

[Xorkoth]

From White House press secretary Sarah Sanders:

“The next steps are up to Attorney General Barr, and we look forward to the process taking its course,” White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said in a statement. “The White House has not received or been briefed on the Special Counsel’s report.”

I think your smug celebration should wait since the report hasn't even been submitted to Congress yet. The process that will result from the report being finalized and delivered are just beginning.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah so the only "results" revealed to anyone thus far are the conclusion Attorney General William Barr has released which are his interpretation of the report. Of course, Barr was appointed to the position by Trump, and is now pushing to keep the report confidential and not make it public, despite Congress voting unanimously to make it public. Smells extremely fishy. If there's nothing to hide, why not make it public? Why should we trust Trump's hand-picked stooge to tell us the truth? If this same sequence of events was happening in some African country or something, would anyone in America question what was happening here?

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Yeah so the only "results" revealed to anyone thus far are the conclusion Attorney General William Barr has released which are his interpretation of the report. Of course, Barr was appointed to the position by Trump, and is now pushing to keep the report confidential and not make it public, despite Congress voting unanimously to make it public. Smells extremely fishy. If there's nothing to hide, why not make it public? Why should we trust Trump's hand-picked stooge to tell us the truth? If this same sequence of events was happening in some African country or something, would anyone in America question what was happening here?

To clarify a few of your points:

Barr had to be approved by Congress before he could be appointed. Specifically, by the Senate.

By the law, as CREATED BY CONGRESS, Barr cannot share the report. When there was an 'investigation' of Hillary and Benghazi and then of her servers, CONGRESS said there are reasons NOT to share such investigations with the public. Now that there is no-collusion, both sides of Congress want the report shared. I agree it should be public, but the ones who make the decisions are not Trump or Barr, but Congress....who seems to change direction based on who is being investigated.

Barr is "Trump's hand picked stooge", eh? Who else is supposed to nominate an Attorney General? Oh yeah, that's part of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH...so it is the President's j-o-b to nominate candidates. The Senate still has to approve them.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

After Mueller?s Exoneration of Trump, Full Disclosure

(apologies for the wall'o'text, but the whole damn thing is worth reading, even what I left out)

...Nor is it a surprise that the news has Trump antagonists clamoring for full disclosure of the special counsel?s final report. Mind you, when skeptics of the Trump-Russia investigation asked what the criminal predicate for it was, and on what basis the Obama administration had decided to monitor the opposition party?s presidential campaign, we were admonished about the wages of disclosure ? the compromise of precious defense secrets, of deep-cover intelligence sources and methods. Why, to ask for such information was to be an insurrectionist seeking to destroy the FBI, the Justice Department, and the rule of law itself. Now, though, it?s only the uncharged president of the United States at issue, so disclose away!

Well, if we?re going to have disclosure, fine. But let?s have full disclosure: Mueller?s report in addition to the FISA applications; the memoranda pertinent to the opening and continuation of the investigation; the testimony in secret hearings; the scope memorandum Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein issued on August 2, 2017, after failing to cite a crime when he appointed Mueller ? let?s have all of it.

As far as the special counsel?s report goes, because of the way the regulations work (at least when the Justice Department deigns to follow them), we now have Mueller?s bottom line, but not his reasoning and the underlying facts. It is the opposite of the Trump opposition?s preferred Roger Stone and George Papadopoulos scenario, where Mueller?s team spins pages and pages of ?Gee, sure seems like a lot of almost-collusion here? before you flip to the end and find that there?s no case ? just a campaign hanger-on who lied to an investigator long after the imaginary espionage conspiracy occurred. At the moment, we just have Mueller?s conclusion: There is no basis to indict the president for a crime ? not collusion, not obstruction, not false statements. The collusion-peddlers, who took great umbrage at the suggestion that ?VERIFIED? FISA surveillance-warrant applications should be disclosed, now demand Mueller?s full report so they can get to the familiar work of obscuring the bottom line and spinning the spin.

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This was not to dismiss Russia?s provocations (which Democrats spent most of the Obama years ignoring, and ? when it comes to hacking ? which Obama himself spent the 2016 campaign mostly ignoring). It was always essential that the FBI use its counterintelligence authorities for their proper purpose ? to monitor and undermine foreign powers. It still is.

But investigations targeting Americans for violating the law have to be premised on crime. Even FISA, which allows a court to authorize spying on an American citizen suspected of being an agent of a foreign power, requires the Justice Department and the FBI to show probable cause that the American is knowingly engaged in clandestine activity on behalf of the foreign power ? and that this clandestine activity is a probable violation of American criminal law. (See FISA, section 1801(b)(2) of Title 50, U.S. Code ? the definition of ?agent of a foreign power? that applies to American citizens.)

That is why, as we have repeatedly pointed out, ?collusion? is a weasel word. ?Collusion? is just association ? concerted activity that could be benign, sinister, or somewhere in between. It is not a crime to have relationships, even troubling ones, with Russians. Fortunately for the Clinton campaign, it is not a crime to attempt to gather opposition research from foreign sources ? even former British spies who purport to have Kremlin-connected sources. When Americans are involved, the only collusion that federal criminal and counterintelligence law trouble themselves over involves conspiracy (or its close cousin, aiding and abetting). There must be knowing complicity in a crime. If you don?t have a good-faith basis to believe a crime has been committed, you don?t have an investigation.

Again, we were pointing that out before Mueller was appointed. In order to justify a special-counsel appointment, the regulations require two things: (1) the attorney general (or the deputy AG when, as here, the AG is recused) must be able to articulate the factual basis for a criminal investigation or prosecution; (2) that investigation or prosecution must create a conflict of interest so profound that the Justice Department cannot ethically conduct the investigation ? a lawyer must be brought in from outside the government. It is the alleged crime that determines what is to be investigated and whether there is a conflict.

Here, the issue was solely the president. The Justice Department and FBI did not need a special counsel to conduct a counterintelligence investigation of Russia, or a criminal investigation of, say, Michael Flynn or Paul Manafort. Indeed, such investigations were underway before Mueller?s appointment. A special counsel would have been needed only for the president, on the rationale that the president cannot credibly be investigated by his own Justice Department. That is fine: The president is not above the law, and if there is evidence that he committed a crime, he should be investigated. But there has to be evidence that he committed a crime.

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Finally, unlike criminal investigations, which are conducted to vindicate the rule of law in judicial proceedings and which should be insulated from politics, counterintelligence investigations are done strictly for the president ? to assist him in carrying out his national-security duties. If a president were to shut down a counterintelligence investigation ? which Trump has never done in connection with Russia, even after the FBI director publicly portrayed Trump?s campaign as a suspected collaborator ? that could not be an obstruction crime, even if it were a reckless decision. It is the politically accountable president, not the administrative state, who determines the nation?s intelligence needs.

In sum, we have endured a two-year ordeal in which the president of the United States was forced to govern under a cloud of suspicion ? suspicion of being a traitor, of scheming with a foreign adversary to steal an election. This happened because the Obama administration ? which opened the probe of the Trump campaign, and which opted to use foreign counterintelligence spying powers rather than give Trump a defensive briefing about suspected Russian infiltration of his campaign ? methodically forced its suspicions about Trump into the public domain.

It is not just that FISA warrants were sought on the basis of the Steele dossier, an uncorroborated Clinton-campaign opposition-research screed that the Obama Justice Department and FBI well knew was being peddled to the media at the same time. There was a patently premeditated stream of intelligence leaks depicting a corrupt Trump-Russia arrangement.

After Hillary Clinton lost the 2016 election, Obama, after doing virtually nothing about Russian aggression for most of eight years, suddenly made a show of issuing sanctions, seizing Russian assets, and expelling Russian operatives. He then rushed the completion of an intelligence assessment that would ordinarily have taken months to complete, so that it would be issued on his watch; and presto: The public was told not only that Russia interfered in the campaign, but that Russia did so because Putin was trying to get Trump elected. (Of course, the public was not told that Obama had known what Russia was doing during the campaign, but concluded it was too trivial to warrant a response; and the public was not reminded that, just days before the election ? when Russia?s perfidy was well known to the Obama administration ? both Obama and Hillary Clinton chastised Trump for daring to suggest that an American presidential election could be rigged.)...

I'm all in favor of FULL disclosure.

 

[Penf0ld]

^ The risks of full transparency in releasing a report that has been two years in the making include :

1) The thing being so laborious and mindnumbing to get through that very few by this stage have much interest in it

2) Even with full disclosure there are those determined it is not fully disclosed and he is still guilty anyway

3) Further divisiveness and interpretation of said report will then trigger an investigation into the investigation, wasting more millions of public money


It appears jgrimez was correct in his predictions .