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The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

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I think you need to think highly of yourself to imagine you could be the U.S. President or really any position of power. But as you say, Trump is some next level shit. :|
 
If I were you I'd be getting ready for the very real prospect of trump being defeated, and having almost nothing to show for the 4 years of his administration.

No doubt the "deep state" will be blamed for blocking him and rigging the next election against him.
 
JessFR said:
If I were you I'd be getting ready for the very real prospect of trump being defeated, and having almost nothing to show for the 4 years of his administration.
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After 2016 I've learned not to underestimate anyone, but who can realistically beat him? I'd say only Sanders has a chance and he lost to Hillary. DNC is far too fragmented at this point and many people are ignoring that Trump has doubled his support among African-Americans and also risen with Hispanics.

JessFR said:
No doubt the "deep state" will be blamed for blocking him and rigging the next election against him.
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If I were Trump I'd implement free voter ID before 2020.

alasdairm said:
which criteria would people use to measure trump's performance as president at the end of his first term?
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That depends on whether you're analyzing things objectively or you're a Trump hater. If you're a Trump hater then his first term has been almost as bad as 3rd Reich Hitler, if you look at it objectively and compare him to previous presidents - he's done a great job. If he can keep us out of new wars, economy continues to grow (3.1% GDP last year - best year since 2005). Only the most hardcore deniers claim that all this is due to Obama - because Trump can't be a shit president and have success at the same time. Koreas situation improved, avoided a major total conflict in Syria, there's a lot more legislation also (Veterans, Prison Reform, helping minority retirees etc).
 
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There's also the #WalkAway campaign and the #BLEXIT movement. Many people are waking up and leaving the Democrat plantation. The Left fucked up bad, they promised doom & gloom if Trump was elected - crashing stocks, nuclear wars, impeachment and imprisonment - nothing of that nature eventuated so people are going to be less inclined to believe more nonsense from them.
 
alasdairm said:
which criteria would people use to measure trump's performance as president at the end of his first term?

alasdair
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An honest look at the facts that answer the question "Are we better off than we were four years ago?" Key words there being 'honest' and 'factual'. As to 'better off'...at what? Personally in my world - my income, my job prospects, my taxes, my belief that people get what they earn as opposed to what they are given. As a country - how is our GDP, our trade balances with other countries, our policies in helping those who need it vs sticking our nose where it doesn't belong (what's our motivation for how we deal with others, and exactly 'how' do we deal with them?), are companies investing in America or continuing to move their business to other countries?

Illegal immigration has long been an issue from what I've seen, and tbph it never bothered me much. That is is 'resolved' is not a concern for me. That means I don't care about a wall or any other 'defenses' as much as I would like to know we have improved our means of handling immigrants (ie, faster processing at PoE) so we can get the (real) criminals identified and dealt with and the asylum seekers identified and given a clear path to citizenship (like putting them in supportive communities, a means of becoming citizens in under 2y, a means of joining the work force to earn a living and pay taxes = start being a citizen until they are a citizen). Though, again, if little changes here I'm not pointing fingers at Trump nor those that oppose him - I see that as the trend for the past 30y.
 
JGrimez said:
That depends on whether you're analyzing things objectively or you're a Trump hater.
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lol - i was obviously asking you (plural) for your personal perspective but by all means get your little dig in :)

i ask because i see a lot of walkback on things like, for example, mexico paying for the wall. we're at a point now where trump the messaging has changed to "well, it depends on your definition of wall and, also, he didn't literally mean mexico would pay". besides obamacare repeal and replace, the wall was perhaps his signature campaign promise and there's been little progress.

among other promises he made on healthcare he said no one will lose coverage and health care will be a "lot less expensive" for everyone. he said he was the only person who knew what to do and could fix healthcare in america. then he got elected and famously changed his tune to "nobody knew health care could be so complicated." nobody? nah. just everybody except him.

how big a factor is progress on campaign promises? for example, would you consider his presidency very successful if he did nothing he said he would but the economy is booming? put another way, if nothing of that nature "eventuated" are people going to be less inclined to believe more nonsense from him? :)

alasdair
 
JGrimez said:
Y'all ready for his re-election?
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Yes especially if he uses the next 4 years to go to war with DPRK.

But yeah I've been calling he'll get re-elected for a while now.

JGrimez said:
who can realistically beat him? I'd say only Sanders has a chance
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LOL Oh boy, Sanders has the worst chance of 'em all, but at this point I'd be alright with Sanders or Trump. Either way some old dude will be trashing America one way or the other.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
An honest look at the facts that answer the question "Are we better off than we were four years ago?" Key words there being 'honest' and 'factual'. As to 'better off'...at what? Personally in my world - my income, my job prospects, my taxes, my belief that people get what they earn as opposed to what they are given. As a country - how is our GDP, our trade balances with other countries, our policies in helping those who need it vs sticking our nose where it doesn't belong (what's our motivation for how we deal with others, and exactly 'how' do we deal with them?), are companies investing in America or continuing to move their business to other countries?

Illegal immigration has long been an issue from what I've seen, and tbph it never bothered me much. That is is 'resolved' is not a concern for me. That means I don't care about a wall or any other 'defenses' as much as I would like to know we have improved our means of handling immigrants (ie, faster processing at PoE) so we can get the (real) criminals identified and dealt with and the asylum seekers identified and given a clear path to citizenship (like putting them in supportive communities, a means of becoming citizens in under 2y, a means of joining the work force to earn a living and pay taxes = start being a citizen until they are a citizen). Though, again, if little changes here I'm not pointing fingers at Trump nor those that oppose him - I see that as the trend for the past 30y.
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As the child of illegal immigrants, this issue is so aggravating to me. What's crazy is that my entire family got citizenship because of Ronald Reagan - my grandfather got asylum through the Reagan amnesty program, and then his green card enabled my grandmother and mom to get residency, who later got my father residency. Many years ago, if you asked my mom's family for their favorite president, they would've said Ronald Reagan. Now they say Barack Obama. The Republican party used to have so much goodwill with Latinos because of Reagan's fairly permissive immigration policies, and they've managed to lose that demographic entirely because they were too concerned with pandering to their base.

The vast majority of people immigrating to this country illegally are doing so for work and to help their families, they're not trying to mooch off of anybody....if there were a more reasonable process for immigrating to the US, people would take those legal routes. But if I'm a family in a violent area of El Salvador and the legal wait list for a green card is 15 years, of course I'm going to take my chances and immigrate illegally. We're not really giving these people great options. And if we could process these immigrants legally, the government would have more say in where those families go - there's plenty of areas in the country that have a shrinking population and workforce, workers from Latin America could be really helpful for those local economies.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Yes especially if he uses the next 4 years to go to war with DPRK.
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Stop calling for the murder of innocent people based on bullshit reasons.

Captain.Heroin said:
But yeah I've been calling he'll get re-elected for a while now.
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Not really a difficult call. Dems are handing him 2020 by pushing nonsense like Green New Deal and post-birth baby-killing.

alasdairm said:
buzzer! logical fallacy (false dilemma) alert.

there are other options.
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Like?
Not for you.
Nothing Trump has done is good in any way for you, ever. Even if it benefits minorities.

He's fulfilled a lot of campaign promises and if he couldn't get one done because of Democratic obstruction, his supporters will give him a temporary pass for that as long as he keeps trying (*cue Alasdairm: "but Trump said the boss is responsible for literally everything wah wah wahhhh!!") let's see you post some more tweets from 5 years ago.

sarcophagus.heels said:
The vast majority of people immigrating to this country illegally are doing so for work and to help their families
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That's not really relevant. Why is it the USA's responsibility to take any one illegally from anywhere just because their own country sucks? USA isn't exactly prospering for most people at the moment. Do you think we could find another 350 million people that want to come to the US? Of course we could - why don't we just let them all in? Why let in that person but not those people? It's not fair.

Mexico is the 15th strongest economy in the world.
 
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Some of Trump's achievements (for reference)

Bill Clinton - promised to end illegal immigration - got worse
W. Bush - said he would get rid of tariffs - got worse
Obama - said he would end middle east wars - started 3 new ones

Donald Trump:
-Pulled out of the TPP
-Dealt with tariffs
-Restructured NAFTA
-Announced return of troops from Syria and will cut Afghanistan troops by half (even pledging this is huge and contra-US foreign policy)
-Brought back or created over 4 million jobs - for the first time in history the US has more jobs than applicants
-Lowest African-American unemployment in history
-Lowest Hispanic unemployment in history
-Lowest Asian unemployment in history
-Women's unemployment at 65-year low
-Consumer confidence at a 17-year high
-GDP 4.1% (3% GDP growth 2Q 2017, 4.2% 2Q 2018, 3.5% 3Q 2018)
-Stock market record high after record high
-Passed the First Step Act prisoner reform bill - any other president would've received insane praise for this (CNN's Van Jones praised it highly, the NYTimes called it the most significant changes to the criminal justice system in a generation). It's going to give a lot of low-level offenders a second chance at life and oppose privatized prison BS.
-Passed massive tax cuts for everyone (including the rich and the poor lol liberals)
-US has just become energy independent and a net oil exporter for the first time in 75 years
-Human trafficking arrests have topped 11,000 since Trump got into office (almost as much as Obama's 8 years combined)
-Pulled out of the Paris climate accords money scam (US still led the world in curbing emissions after that)
-Trump signed the Save Our Seas Act to clean up plastic pollution in the oceans.
-Gotten 2 Supreme Court Justices in
-Cut small business regulations
-Created Department of the Space Force
-Sold rice to China
-Launched an urban council to invest $100 billion into the black community
-Ended catch and release
-Ended anchor babies
-Seemingly diffused the nuclear standoff with North Korea. Facilitated their pledge to denuclearize, they stopped military exercises, reuniting with South Korea, destroyed their missile silos, returned the remains of all fallen US soldiers - without any concessions.

....all with 90% negative media coverage!

That's a goddamn impressive list. The sad thing about Trump is that half the country is still stuck in Nov 8, 2016. If they ever got over their rabid, delusional hate of Trump and baseless conspiracy theory attacks then the discourse would have actually been about policy all these years. How is this guy a bad president? Racist? People don't like him because of his hair and the way he talks and because the losing establishment tell them to.
 
CH is bent on going to war. He's for real on it.


Honestly, most Presidents have done well with an international crisis (war!) to galvanize the nation behind some foreign 'bad people'. It gets the President more support and he can get things done easier if the nation feels united against something (ref. Bush Jr and Obama). I see Trump playing the bumbling fool, but not reaching for the red button anytime soon. And, I don't believe he'd do that just to cause a fake 'emergency' to wield that kind of power. I know his actions to date likely don't give any confidence to my belief, but I keep telling myself that's the line he won't cross.
 
The Venezuela regime change/stealing oil plan has been in the works for a while. Wasn't Trump's idea, but if Russia don't do anything to prevent them then I see the US installing their puppet Guaido and grabbing the oil.

Calling for someone to nuke NK is psychopathic and short-sighted. But some people have the bloodlust.
 
^not only is that irrelevant and useless information, but you just spammed it in 3 threads
 
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