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It's conversations like these that allow me to understand how something as horrific as the holocaust occurred as well as why concentration camps still exists.

So, thanks for that pete.
 
I'm not, I very clearly said I am not ashamed of being white, I love being white, I'm glad I am. It's given me advantages and I'm thankful for that but I'm not going to pretend it hasn't. If you're going to discuss something with me, maybe do me the courtesy of reading what I wrote.

You're not making very coherent arguments but one thing that stood out to me was that you said we maybe have more right to "walk the plains" than others because we have more genes. Well, that says a lot.
 
It's conversations like these that allow me to understand how something as horrific as the holocaust occurred as well as why concentration camps still exists.

So, thanks for that pete.
your welcome buddy :)
 
There are also pedophiles who are infiltrating the movement and ultimately wish to normalize and legalize pedophilia, initially by having treat it as simply a sexual preference, or very young gender identity. This is my only concern with the LGBT community, they must really stay on alert and resist these influences.

As for Obama, he was anti-gay marriage up until very recently, same with Clinton. They saw how it could help them politically, please don't ask like they actually care about LGBT people. And yes you can be a friend of the community without recognizing pride.

I could care less if we roll back the age of consent a bit. 18 always seemed a bit "old" for "adulthood" IMO, especially with people going through puberty at 12, etc these days. 16 seems rational to me.

I prefer people my age or older, or at least someone just a few years younger but looks like they might be my age.

The LGBT community isn't a community. We don't all know each other by first name. Additional reading.

It would be like saying the "MAGA Community", as if everyone in the Republican party or who supported Trump were all buds on first name basis (I mean, it's quite possible they were.... but my understanding is that's quite delusional). Oh and I wasn't trying to yell at JG about the word "community"; it's something
we all do without thinking about it. Not trying to single you out JG, it just raised an interesting point I wanted to go on a little tangent about.

There isn't anything wrong with pride as long as it's not harming others, that's a pretty basic libertarian ideal, no?

Indeed, I'm just explaining a personal perspective about why I wouldn't be in a pride parade myself, is all. I'm all for the rights of others to go on a parade, march, even if it's to wave the rainbow flag or the nazi flag or the MAGA hats or the confederate flag. You're just wasting your time. There's a lot better things to do on Planet Earth with your limited lifespan.
 
Maybe y'all will deny it, but for whatever reason, white straight men are under attack in the US (and the West).

Totes true, why do you think we get our gun rights and the white right-leaners love them?

Do you really feel afraid in a world where you always have your handgun at your side?

As a white male I just don't wear ultra-swag clothes and I can go wherever I want, do whatever I want. There's virtually no limits and it is nice. If I wanted to wear a chain and Gucci sweatpants like a spoiled millennial I'd just happen to not go to many different parts of town. And probably then I'd just hate myself for what I became and give all that crap away. I'm not meant to shit in golden toilets, I'll take porcelain, thank you.

People didn't choose to be born white or cis either, people forget that.

Well "cis" is arguable. That's more like a behavioral play you put on in front of others to hook up and get your rocks off with the right person.

We can both DEFINITELY agree people don't choose to be born white though.

Trump says his orange complexion is from good genes.



Orange. Like the fruit.

Fact: we share 50% of our genes with bananas.

Except for Donald. He shares 50% of his genes with oranges.

Please elaborate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny

Again most of you all wouldn't know without living in the right places in the right times.

Then again I don't really think we're "under attack" in the way JG does. The civil rights movement just needs to go CHUGA-CHUGA forward like a railroad train, now. Come on baby, do the locomotion! Do it nice and easy now, don't lose control.

As a result of the injuries he suffered during the attacks, Denny had to undergo years of rehabilitative therapy, and his speech and ability to walk were permanently damaged.[10] After unsuccessfully suing the city of Los Angeles, Denny moved to Arizona, near Lake Havasu, to work as an independent boat motor mechanic.[10] Denny has largely avoided the media and rarely speaks publicly about his ordeal.[10]

In 1997, Damian Williams was released from prison early for good behavior, but in 2003, he was sentenced to 46 years to life in prison for the 2000 murder of drug dealer Grover Tinner.[11] He currently resides at Calipatria State Prison.[12] After his trial, Watson appeared on The Phil Donahue Show where he personally apologized to Denny and shook his hand.[13] Watson was re-arrested and sentenced to three years for a narcotics conviction, and after his release, owned and operated a limousine service in Los Angeles.[14] On February 1, 2004, Antoine Miller was shot outside of a Hollywood nightclub during an altercation and died in Cedars-Sinai Medical Center on February 8 at the age of 31.[15] Gary Williams, Henry Watson, and Damian Williams gave interviews about the riots for John Ridley's 2017 documentary Let It Fall: Los Angeles 1982–1992.[16]

Some people are just EVIL on the inside and need to be pushed out of this world.


The "L.A. Four" was a nickname given to the first four men charged with the attack on Denny: Damian Williams, Henry Watson, Antoine Miller, and Gary Williams. Two additional men, Anthony Brown and Lance Parker, were also charged with the attack on Denny but not until after the "L.A. Four" nickname had spread. The six were redubbed the "L.A. Four Plus".[6]

Damian "Football" Williams
Damian Monroe Williams (born March 17, 1973) was a 19-year-old with a criminal record including arrests for battery, robbery, resisting arrest, and hit-and-run but no convictions. A football star in high school, he dreamed of becoming a professional football player and briefly played in a semi-professional league. When he was 16, he dropped out of school and became a member of the 71 Hustlers (an affiliation of the Eight Tray Gangster Crips) and had a three-month old son at the time of the incident. Less than an hour before his attack on Denny, he witnessed his older brother being arrested by police and was seen at the intersection assaulting and robbing an Asian man.[7] Williams became one of the more recognized participants of the L.A. riots due to the live news broadcast of his attack on Denny and his somewhat memorable nickname, which was repeated frequently in news media.[1][7]

Henry "Kiki" Watson
Henry Keith Watson was a 27-year-old former US Marine and an ex-convict who had served time for armed robbery. After his release from prison, he married, had a daughter, and was working two jobs at the time of the incident.[8] Before assaulting Denny, Watson was seen near the intersection in a bloodied shirt and kicking truck driver Larry Tarvin in the head.[9]

Antoine "Twan" Miller
Antoine Eugene Miller (May 5, 1972 – February 8, 2004) was a 19-year-old who lived with Damian Williams' family. Miller's mother was a drug addict, so as a child, Miller was sent to live with his grandmother. When he was 12, his grandmother killed his grandfather during an argument and was convicted of his murder, leaving Miller homeless. Miller had previously been arrested for misdemeanor drug charges, joyriding, and failing to appear in court.[8] Before the attack on Denny, Miller was seen looting several motorists of their belongings.[9]

Gary Williams
Gary Anthony Williams was a 33-year-old crack addict described as a "drifter" and a "hustler" who begged at a local gas station. Although he claimed to work there, his arrest record listed him as unemployed.[8]
Life unworthy of life? I'll let you all decide for yourselves. I'm guessing the "LA Four" are totally unredeemable pieces of shit, and they just HAPPENED to be one race. There's PLENTY of white people who are JUST AS TERRIBLE, I just don't need to dig up examples to prove my point.

I think people should stop getting caught up on racist labels and look at individual responsibility/accountability, etc.
 
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Fair enough, I completely looked over the link but now that I'm reading it the conversation is definitely changing from what I thought you were getting at and at the same time questions some of my life perceptions, so my apologies.

The biggest difference however is the imagined community is on scale with a nation, not a town as I was referring to, however I think you are still on to something. I really dig the definition of social constructs as they relate to nationalism. I'm feeling that. Nationalism is pretty phony. It probably breaks down even further into my own idea of MY community. I'm not really integrated as I could be and instead of taking responsibility for that, I continue to call it my community. Thanks for challenging my world views, bro.
 
It should also be pointed out there's certain parts of the world where any American rich tourist of any race would get jumped, even if you were the same race of the country. Poverty causes people to go to extremes just to survive.

The biggest difference however is the imagined community is on scale with a nation, not a town as I was referring to, however I think you are still on to something. I really dig the definition of social constructs as they relate to nationalism. I'm feeling that. Nationalism is pretty phony. It probably breaks down even further into my own idea of MY community. I'm not really integrated as I could be and instead of taking responsibility for that, I continue to call it my community. Thanks for challenging my world views, bro.

Well I, am not really the one who is on to it. Whoever wrote that book did, and I just liked the ideas enough to incorporate them. It is "YOUR" community though and I am a nationalist; I just happen to be libertarian and not authoritarian so most nationalist objectives are quite low on my priority list. Always take pride of the society, nation, community that you're in or a part of. I think that's an important part of everything.

Part of being post-human, a futurist, etc. is admitting I could be wrong about a lot of things. So it's totally OK to disagree with me still, I just want to expand minds and share viewpoints, ideas etc.
 
It's not about the kid. It's about stopping the growing Jump-To-Conclusions (rather than investigate or report facts) by MSM. It's about stopping the wave of tweeted support for false accusations. It's about stemming the tide of socially acceptable behaviour that is, in fact, deplorable (yeah, I said it) and SHOULD have repercussions. THAT is the point, and it needs to be made.

That's a great point. I wholeheartedly agree. It's just not the one being discussed (it was white privilege).

Somehow I don't think Elizabeth Warren and Alyssa Milano are a critical part of the problem. That part reeks of publicity stunt.

The 24 news cycle is the problem; the need to break the story first, no matter what corners get cut, is the problems; people with no training in journalism or ethics 'reporting' the news over social media is the problem; Trump tweeting is the problem; and some journalists not doing due diligence and fact-checking sources is the problem.

These are endemic to our current news cycle and I don't see them stopping. But yes, it should.

However, I don't think the Sandmann case is the hill I'd die on for this issue.
 
Cduggy I haven't asked you yet but who is your preferred dem candidate right now? Sanders?

I won't yell at you whomever you say, just curious. It's hard for me to put my mind in the head of a left-leaning person sometimes.
 
maybe more because we have more genes

What in the literal fuck, and no one batted an eye at this one.

An extra copy of chromosome 21 = Down Syndrome.

We don't have MORE genes. Who told you that? What in the literal fuck. Ignorant ass white people, I swear to god.

thats why people dont like us

My mind spins. I think I'll have to put Spun on and get as fucked up on downers as I can.

The reason why people don't like us is because of the KKK, shit like Charlottesville, the Confederacy, Nazi Germany, etc. And I literally can't blame people for hating white people after these atrocities.

what about muslim privilage how come they can hide their face just because of their religon and no one is even allowed to question it give me a break

Oh my god what are you on? White people wear ski masks when it gets cold outside, I know I do, and I don't want the cops telling me I can't. Please STFU and stop trampling over all our rights.

Go to Denmark, I'm pretty sure the Burqa Ban stuck there.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/08/01/burqa-ban-comes-into-effect-denmark/878286002/

It's a lovely country, you'll fit right in if you're Christian.
 
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Now we need to fear the LGBT community because pedophiles, eh?
The LGBT community need to fear the pedophiles.

"Oh I have no problem with them, but they need to make sure to ward against the pedophile incursion"
Yes, exactly.

"I can't stand the LGBT community because they didn't stop the pedophile incursion"
Hopefully it doesn't come to this. I have faith that enough people in the "community" (it's not even really a community) will pushback against this.

Sounds familiar to why we need to fear immigrants... because sex trafficking/rape.
^I see this constantly. Conflating immigration with illegal (undocumented) "immigration". They are completely separate. We should fear sex trafficking/rape from groups of random people easily traversing a border where we cannot keep track of who enters. Legal immigration doesn't have this problem because we can vet and track people. Then there are completely separate issues relating to unrestricted legal immigration.

As to attacks against white men... give me a fucking break. Attempts by women and minorities to equalize the power imbalance that has existed for a long fucking time (and until recently the imbalance was unquestioned and extreme) is not an attack on white people.
Big presuppositions there. Let's just say that grouping people together and judging them by their skin color is not conducive and many would say racist. Also it's not white men specifically, it's also white children (see Covington), white women..

I get that maybe things aren't quite as rosy for you as they were before, yeah me either.
Did you just assume my race? lol. I'm Jewish and whether I count as "white" is up for dispute. I wouldn't be accepted at a white supremacist rally, but I can differentiate between white pride and white supremacy. I will speak up and defend any race that is being persecuted, which includes whites.

The difference is I don't think I deserved to have advantages over other people based on the simple fact of how I was born.
Yeah well you know who has advantages? Tall people - they get paid more. Should they cut off their legs? Or how about good-looking people? They get paid more, they are more accepted (regardless of race), should they acid their faces or feel ashamed in general for winning the genetic lottery? I find the whole basis to this ideology flawed and counterproductive. In our society a beautiful black woman is more privileged than a butt-ugly white male. And one thing I will say if there's any legit privileges, the upper hand is in favor of Jewish people not white people.

Calling the attempt to remove white and/or male privilege a "genocide" makes mock of the actual genocides that have occurred.
I would never call it a genocide. But the term "war" is much looser. You can say that there is a war against white men (although I would say there are 2 separates wars, against white people and all men in general).

No, we're just leveling the playing field.
The issue is that instead of lifting people up, we're doing that by taking others down. Others who may have never done anything wrong, simply for the actions of people a long time ago, and based on their skin color. That's racist discrimination.

So you don't think bring born a white person in this country gives you some automatic advantages, and has since it was created?
Being born the dominant race in any country will give you advantages. Mixed race Japanese people are looked down upon in Japan for eg, it happens to different degrees for different reasons all over the world. And we need to stop living in the past too and appreciate what we've created today, a relatively equal society. The most successful demographics in the USA currently are East Asian-Americans and Indian-Americans. That is not a result of a white supremacist country, I'm sorry. Also I'm going to mention again the amount of power Jewish people have in the US relative to their population %. But if you wish to consider them "white" then that will support your narrative (though they personally would not, unless politically expedient).

I can get pulled over for a traffic violation and never once think the cop might hurt me.
Far more white people than black are killed by police, and in respect to proportionality <that's the case in NYC at least. I heard someone explain it like: if a cop kills a black person, the potential backlash and outcry is so extreme that police will restrain themselves (as they should do anyway). But if they shoot a white man, nobody really cares it's just another white person (I guess this is part of leveling the playing field?)

I can enjoy full consideration for any job and not be immediately passed on some of them for my race (or gender).
Some places you wouldn't get considered unless you were Asian. Or Jewish. There's no white supremacy, but what people do do sometimes is stereotype or profile other groups (unfortunately) based on repeated patterns of behavior. This white supremacy myth drives me mad though.

I could care less if we roll back the age of consent a bit. 18 always seemed a bit "old" for "adulthood" IMO, especially with people going through puberty at 12, etc these days. 16 seems rational to me.
I'm not talking about ephebophilia, I'm referring to prepubescent children. They're teaching LGBT sex education now to children in kindergarten. I'm not in favor for teaching them anything sexual, even cis-gendered heteronormative sexual themes. It's a slippery slope and many can see the writing on the wall. The MSM has published multiple pedo-friendly or pedo-apologist pieces, and I've seen other articles talking about how little kids understand the concept of consent. Then there's the whole trans-age/identifying as a little child. Together it's a recipe for disaster. I may be (hopefully) completely wrong but just be aware of it. There's already some pretty reprehensible stuff going on, like parents brainwashing their very young children into thinking they're trans, or allowing pre-pubescent children to get on hormone blockers when they really should be allowed time to reach sexual and emotional maturity.

The LGBT community isn't a community.
Yeah I wrote that above before I read this and I agree. I was recently watching an interview with a lesbian who was hammering this point home because she disagreed that trans women were women. This little schism between intersectional feminists and TERFs is pretty interesting. But I'm concerned that the "pedo activists" are going to subtly insert themselves into this community/agenda/movement/whatever you wish to call it. I was even told back in 2016 that they planned to introduce a "P" into the acronym to refer to "Pedosexuals", a friendlier term. Then less than a year later the P appeared officially - to refer to Pansexuals (which to me is basically bisexual). I remember seeing another "P" also but I forgot what it referred to. Check out the increased number of explicit themes in media for young kids, the "drag kid" phenomenon with children like Desmond is Amazing and Lactatia.

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I don't think the Sandmann case is the hill I'd die on for this issue.
Covington was a big deal because it was so public and exposed so blatantly how vicious the MSM can be. Reporters didn't do their jobs, people actively denied video evidence, and many called for violence against these children. Doxxing, punching, school shooting, a Disney producer even tweeted a photo of throwing a white MAGA cap-wearing child into a wood chipper. The response was literally insane and the media outlets responsible DO deserve to be sued. We cannot treat innocent people that way, even if they are white and support POTUS.
 
I'm Jewish

I'm pretty sure most people here would push Kushner under a rolling bus too, but not because he's Jewish. So please don't just wear your religion or minority status on your sleeve and go on MAGA rants here and expect us all to just let you play your cards in a way that we're not.

We're playing bridge, not poker.

whether I count as "white" is up for dispute.

If I could see you IRL I'd call you white and we'd be done with it. You know you're white, too. More importantly how do you identify as? What would a cop give your description as if you were pulled over?

The only people who are going to tell you that you're not white are white nationalists, or racists.

Yeah well you know who has advantages? Tall people - they get paid more. Should they cut off their legs? Or how about good-looking people? They get paid more, they are more accepted (regardless of race), should they acid their faces or feel ashamed in general for winning the genetic lottery? I find the whole basis to this ideology flawed and counterproductive. In our society a beautiful black woman is more privileged than a butt-ugly white male. And one thing I will say if there's any legit privileges, the upper hand is in favor of Jewish people not white people.

...and you're not a white nationalist pretending to be Jewish?

I'm not talking about ephebophilia, I'm referring to prepubescent children.

That shit revolts me and I agree it should remain illegal and the penalties should be MUCH worse.

They're teaching LGBT sex education now to children in kindergarten. I'm not in favor for teaching them anything sexual, even cis-gendered heteronormative sexual themes.

Well when should you teach children about sexuality? Hard to say. Not teaching them at all could be worse. I don't have an agenda either way. I don't think I had much of a sexuality at that age, so it seems a little young to me too.
 
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Actually white people do have the highest diversity of genes mainly due to the black death which changed the global genome but hey gang up on the white boy
 
What in the literal fuck, and no one batted an eye at this one.

An extra copy of chromosome 21 = Down Syndrome.

We don't have MORE genes. Who told you that? What in the literal fuck. Ignorant ass white people, I swear to god.

Well its to complicated to write an argument especially a one sided one but yes ignorant ass white people do have more superiour genes that is just a fact nothing more. We had to to survive all the diseases look at when the travelers from england went to america and gave the native indians smallpox, which basically wiped them out no one of the 'white' people though got sick because of GENES.




My mind spins. I think I'll have to put Spun on and get as fucked up on downers as I can.

The reason why people don't like us is because of the KKK, shit like Charlottesville, the Confederacy, Nazi Germany, etc. And I literally can't blame people for hating white people after these atrocities.

The point is though my friend its not about white people the people who did it were white but the vast majority of white people are not racist and you know they're not so why you not blame people for hating white people just because some nasty people who did some bad things happened to be white? Thats quite racist Captain heroin...



Oh my god what are you on? White people wear ski masks when it gets cold outside, I know I do, and I don't want the cops telling me I can't. Please STFU and stop trampling over all our rights.

Go to Denmark, I'm pretty sure the Burqa Ban stuck there.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/08/01/burqa-ban-comes-into-effect-denmark/878286002/

It's a lovely country, you'll fit right in if you're Christian.
So if I walked into a bank or a betting shop or any shop with a skee mask I wont get arrested? I fit in just fine where I am thankyou and I have many black muslim friends as well as white ones


I may have used a bit of foul language but thats because this is so frustrating why dont you guys get some surgery done and convert yourself to black or Asian then you can get all the guilt of being white of your backs..

Im staying out of this section because it always just triggers me you have your opinions I have mine but mine are the right ones though
 
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