TheLoveBandit
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You come up with that list? Or is there a link to be included? Just seems impressive for a member to pull together on their own (kudos if so).
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You come up with that list? Or is there a link to be included? Just seems impressive for a member to pull together on their own (kudos if so).
DrewDogBaby209
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The love bandit...
No. I did not come up with that list on my own. Tod Perry, who's a freelance journalist came up with it. Me being a political junkie and a major Obama supporter who also donated $40 to Obama's campaign every month while he was smashing John McCain and Mitt Romney (Fired Up Ready To Go / Yes We Can) Most of it I already knew. There were one or two accomplishments I had forgotten about but if the list is true which it is then Trump has NOT had the most successful two years out of any president in history like he just stated... Hey look another lie, who would have guessed.
I found another list of Obama accomplishments and it had hundreds of accomplishments but most of them were small accomplishments. I wanted the big shit
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swilow
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Very interesting Cduggz. It has been entirely unclear since the outset what exactly Trump is trying to do- this seems to have been a feature of his political career ever since he decided to run for office. In a sense, I think becoming President was the endgame- from some sources, it was (is?) said that after a few months, he really really did not "like" the job of being president. That's a fucking problem.
It is interesting that such a political piece of dynamite as Trump hasn't really had any 'formal' political ideology (Trumpism) emerge from this. His policies are so vague and disjointed, and his enactment of any of this policy so half-baked, it is still very difficult to say what he stands for. That's also a fucking problem, but it is something of a clever move as it gives him almost infinite wiggle room.
Xorkoth
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I actually think his endgame was simply to run for president to increase his fame (as a reality TV star and international mogul)... I don't think he expected to win. Some others from his original crew have said the same. I don't really think he thought he could win. I think the fact that he did played into his ego though and now he's convinced himself he's the greatest president of all time.
DrewDogBaby209
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Bingo! This is exactly what I think to. He just wanted to get more famous so he can promote his hotels, golf courses, and all of the other stupid shit he has his name on. For years he played around with the idea of running for president but never did. I believe he never ran because he was terrified of the world finding out about all of the illegal shit he has been doing for more than half a century. I believe his worst nightmare is coming true right now aka Bob Mueller.
Xorkoth
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I think this is half his worst nightmare and half his wet dream.
anderson cooper dissects trump's comments on the shutdown:
in the press conference he was completely unable, given two chances, to explain the specifics of how a trade deal is going to pay for this pointless wall.
he is woefully unqualified for his job and totally in over his head.
alasdair
in the press conference he was completely unable, given two chances, to explain the specifics of how a trade deal is going to pay for this pointless wall.
he is woefully unqualified for his job and totally in over his head.
alasdair
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DrewDogBaby209
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MAGA people say it's a witch hunt... kinda crazy how 33 witches have been indicted. I just can't see how anybody can say this is a Witch Hunt there is so much evidence. Most of the Christopher steele dossier has also been proven true. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, Tanzania, Rwanda, Uganda, Burundi, Kenya, Ethiopia, Sudan, and Zaire baby. It's Trump supporters whole reason for living
DrewDogBaby209
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MAGA people say it's a witch hunt... kinda crazy how 33 witches have been indicted. I just can't see how anybody can say this is a Witch Hunt there is so much evidence. Most of the Christopher steele dossier has also been proven true. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, Tanzania, Rwanda, Uganda, Burundi, Kenya, Ethiopia, Sudan, and Zaire baby. It's Trump supporters whole reason for living
LucidSDreamr
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But hillarys emails tho
cduggles
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Ali, AC is so funny... "Let them eat Wall."
The Christie quote is a lot longer, btw. It's about his views being transactional in a town with long memories. And I read Christie as politely stating Trump has no endgame at all, but still wanting a job from him.
The Christie quote is a lot longer, btw. It's about his views being transactional in a town with long memories. And I read Christie as politely stating Trump has no endgame at all, but still wanting a job from him.
Xorkoth
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Months and years ago, whenever I read the comments on non right-wing propaganda articles, half the responses were Trumpers. Now it's really hard to find a single response that is pro-Trump, at least in the articles I've been reading the past couple of days. The last article I saw that had pro-Trump comments, were all from this one guy with horrible English who just kept repeating talking points and everyone was calling him out as a Russian troll and eventually he stopped trying. 
JessFR
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Well yes, as you said it does favor certain types of minorities over another. The attribute I largely support over the electoral college is that it increases the relative power of the votes of certain areas like rural areas, but that's the thing. Rural areas and similar generally have smaller populations. It is also true to say that people have a tendency to hemogenize their politics with their closest neighbour's. Cities tend to lean more left, and rural areas more right. They have different priorities, different life experiences on which to base their values.
If we used a pure direct vote, the cities, and by extension that point of view would always have greater voting power. And other areas would go under recognized.
Way I see it, the electoral College allows for a more equal representation between opinions at the expense of a more strict democratic system. And given the majority can still be wrong, sometimes even the substantial majority, I think that's reasonable.
Now, it's probably true to say that my own beliefs more closely align with urban hemogeny than rural, so I am probably part of the group disadvantaged by the electoral college. But way I see it, we are already advantaged by numbers. So I don't see that as particularly unfair.
The other thing is, the electoral college results in a deviation from the majority vote pretty rarely. It always understandable stings people when it does in their disfavor. But it's not super common. It only happens when the vote is already pretty close.
On the other hand, I am pretty politically moderate. I don't tend to want either side to go without strong challange. So one could argue that my support of the electoral college, like anyone else, is in my political favor. Just in a broader sense at the expense of specific policies I might support. I probably more lean Democrat, but I have no desire to see them win every time or go without strong opposition.
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tokezu
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But they would not be under recognized, they would be appropriately recognized. And why is it precisely these two groups of rural people and city people that need an adjustment to be represented more equally? Why not give cyclists more voting power than people who drive cars, to make sure the majority does not trample all over them? Or give homosexuals more voting power than heterosexuals? Or give users of illegal drugs more voting power than the rest, I think we could all get behind that right haha?
Obviously that doesn't lead us anywhere. We simply shouldn't conflate the issue of minority protection with the issue of counting votes. The point of having a vote is to get an accurate assessment of the opinions of the population. After we have an accurate assessment, the next step may be to recognize that the power of the majority needs to be restricted in order to protect minorities. It might be justified to come to the conclusion, that an issue that was important to only 30% of voters should not be entirely ignored (of course you would have to get rid of the "winner takes it all" principle for that). But artificially inflating that number to 50% to make it more equal seems more like obfuscation to me. It simply makes the American population seem a lot more conservative than it actually is.
JessFR
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You make a good point. And thinking about it, I probably wouldn't support introducing an electoral college system if we didn't start out with one and were instead discussing adding one for the justification I gave.
But we do have one. The primary reason for which is that it wasn't initially intended for the federal government to be the foremost and exclusive representative government of the people. It's supposed to be constrained to specific purposes like foreign affairs and interstate relations, with the state governments controlling everything else.
That it increases rural voting power is perhaps more of a side effect that I'm mostly in favor of.
I could argue that rural and urban are geographical differences rather than giving advantage to specific political views or other kinds of groupings. But while that's a difference I'm having trouble seeing why that difference should make a difference.
You've given me a good argument to think about further. Thank you. For now I'd say I still support the electoral college. In that we have it already, and I am reluctant to see the system changed in favor of a specific party. But you've made a good argument that I'll give further thought.
tokezu
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Fair enough, I understand that changing the system would be a hard sell and might even further entrench partisanship.
Ganjcat
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come on were all friends just on different sides of the fence I like how you said make him look mentally disabled lol that put a smile on my face ☺
Xorkoth
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Speaking of which... I always liked this meme image of Trump (ignore the meme part, I couldn't find one without words)
You make a good point, Pete... it's good to remember that we are not each others' enemies... our enemies are mostly all of the politicians, who no longer serve our interests at all.
You make a good point, Pete... it's good to remember that we are not each others' enemies... our enemies are mostly all of the politicians, who no longer serve our interests at all.
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