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The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

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they're the media so they're the enemy of the people...

the mainstream media isn't reporting on government corruption? sure they are - it just gets labeled 'fake news' by trump and his supporters because they don't like it.

alasdair

Attacking only trump (rightfully) while dems rig a primary election and take bribes and reporting nothing of that = fake news.

There is much more going on thatn trumps circus that has a bigger impact on income disparity, yet all we hear is how trump said something racist or idiotic each day.
 
they're the media so they're the enemy of the people...

the mainstream media isn't reporting on government corruption? sure they are - it just gets labeled 'fake news' by trump and his supporters because they don't like it.

alasdair
I listen to NPR, and I get news from CNN and the NYT, among other sources. CNN isn't fake news. That's a term dreamed up by Trump to discredit anyone who reports what is actually going on. For as much as people think Trump is "dumb", he is not. He knows that repeatedly, loudly issuing a blanket discrediting of anyone critical of him is much more effective than defending himself. This way, he never acknowledges any accusations leveled against him. He simply counter attacks.

Cnn sole purpose is to scare and anger ppl about racism and make trump look mentally disabled. While having twitter battles with FOX. This is not news.
 
Attacking only trump (rightfully) while dems rig a primary election and take bribes and reporting nothing of that = fake news.

There is much more going on thatn trumps circus that has a bigger impact on income disparity, yet all we hear is how trump said something racist or idiotic each day.

While I wouldn't exactly call the democratic primaries rigged to start with. Even if they were, I'm not sure that's even much of a crime. Primaries are not particularly strongly regulated in law. There are some regulations, but I'm pretty sure they are more to ensure the parties expressed rules are followed rather than ensuring any kind of innate fairness.

EDIT: Just to be clear. I am NOT defending the super delegate system. I think it's bullshit. I don't much care for Hillary Clinton either and I think the democrats were stupid for voting for her in the primaries. What I am saying is just that I wouldn't call any of that rigging, nor would I call it illegal.

Something can be total bullshit yet perfectly legal. I'm sure many would say that of the electoral college. I don't because I'm probably the only American in history to largely support the electoral college in spite of the fact I wouldn't have voted for Bush and I truly despise trump. I just don't blame the electoral college for their election is all. But I can understand why people don't like the electoral college. It's undemocratic. But that's also part of the reason I mostly approve of it. I don't believe in absolute democracy. I believe in democracy tempered by certain restrictions to prevent tyranny of the majority
 
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Obama's accomplishments..even During 8 Years of Do-Nothing GOP Racist Obstruction

1. Rescued the country from the Great Recession, cutting the unemployment rate from 10% to 4.7% over six years.

2. Signed the Affordable Care Act which provided health insurance to over 20 million uninsured Americans

3. Ended the war in Iraq

4. Ordered for the capture and killing of Osama Bin Laden

5. Passed the $787 billion America Recovery and Reinvestment Act to spur economic growth during the Great Recession

6. Supported the LGBT community?s fight for marriage equality

7. Commuted the sentences of nearly 1200 drug offenders to reverse unjust and outdated prison sentences?

8. Saved the U.S. auto industry

9. Helped put the U.S. ontrack for energy independence by 2020

10. Began the drawdown of troops in Afghanistan

11. Signed the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals allowing as many as 5 million people living in the U.S. illegally to avoid deportation and receive work permits

12. Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act to re-regulate the financial sector

13. Dropped the veteran homeless rate by 50 percent

14. Reversed Bush-era torture policies

15. Began the process of normalizing relations with Cuba

16. Increased Department of Veteran Affairs funding

17. Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act

18. Boosted fuel efficiency standards for cars

19. Improved school nutrition with the Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act

20. Repealed the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy

21. Signed the Hate Crimes Prevention Act, making it a federal crime to assault anyone based on sexual or gender identification

22. Helped negotiate the landmark Iran Nuclear Deal

23. He signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act to combat pay discrimination against women

24. Nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, making her the first Hispanic ever to serve as supreme court justice

25. Supported veterans through a $78 billion tuition assistance GI bill

26. Won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009 for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples? (Suck it Trump lol)

27. Launched My Brother's Keeper, a White House initiative designed to help young minorities achieve their full potential

28. Expanded embryonic stem cell research leading to groundbreaking work in areas including spinal injury treatment and cancer.

29. Obama created 16 million jobs. Out of 45 presidents he was the 3rd. highest job creator president in history in terms of numbers.

What "major" accomplishments has Trump done (Twitter wars. Executive orders that he bashed Obama for doing daily)
 
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they're the media so they're the enemy of the people...

the mainstream media isn't reporting on government corruption? sure they are - it just gets labeled 'fake news' by trump and his supporters because they don't like it.

alasdair

I listen to NPR, and I get news from CNN and the NYT, among other sources. CNN isn't fake news. That's a term dreamed up by Trump to discredit anyone who reports what is actually going on. For as much as people think Trump is "dumb", he is not. He knows that repeatedly, loudly issuing a blanket discrediting of anyone critical of him is much more effective than defending himself. This way, he never acknowledges any accusations leveled against him. He simply counter attacks.

if that's your analysis you're reading very selectively.

the media you useisalso the enemy of the people?

alasdair

Yes they are too (the ones i use).

Npr is also. I agree. Local is kind of innocent, while they provide nothing important, they dont damage society to create a frenzy for profit and to create a distraction from corruption like MSM does.
 
they're the media so they're the enemy of the people...

the mainstream media isn't reporting on government corruption? sure they are - it just gets labeled 'fake news' by trump and his supporters because they don't like it.

alasdair

I listen to NPR, and I get news from CNN and the NYT, among other sources. CNN isn't fake news. That's a term dreamed up by Trump to discredit anyone who reports what is actually going on. For as much as people think Trump is "dumb", he is not. He knows that repeatedly, loudly issuing a blanket discrediting of anyone critical of him is much more effective than defending himself. This way, he never acknowledges any accusations leveled against him. He simply counter attacks.

Obama's accomplishments..even During 8 Years of Do-Nothing GOP Racist Obstruction

1. Rescued the country from the Great Recession, cutting the unemployment rate from 10% to 4.7% over six years.

2. Signed the Affordable Care Act which provided health insurance to over 20 million uninsured Americans

3. Ended the war in Iraq

4. Ordered for the capture and killing of Osama Bin Laden

5. Passed the $787 billion America Recovery and Reinvestment Act to spur economic growth during the Great Recession

6. Supported the LGBT community?s fight for marriage equality

7. Commuted the sentences of nearly 1200 drug offenders to reverse unjust and outdated prison sentences?

8. Saved the U.S. auto industry

9. Helped put the U.S. ontrack for energy independence by 2020

10. Began the drawdown of troops in Afghanistan

11. Signed the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals allowing as many as 5 million people living in the U.S. illegally to avoid deportation and receive work permits

12. Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act to re-regulate the financial sector

13. Dropped the veteran homeless rate by 50 percent

14. Reversed Bush-era torture policies

15. Began the process of normalizing relations with Cuba

16. Increased Department of Veteran Affairs funding

17. Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act

18. Boosted fuel efficiency standards for cars

19. Improved school nutrition with the Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act

20. Repealed the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy

21. Signed the Hate Crimes Prevention Act, making it a federal crime to assault anyone based on sexual or gender identification

22. Helped negotiate the landmark Iran Nuclear Deal

23. He signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act to combat pay discrimination against women

24. Nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, making her the first Hispanic ever to serve as supreme court justice

25. Supported veterans through a $78 billion tuition assistance GI bill

26. Won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009 for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples? (Suck it Trump lol)

27. Launched My Brother's Keeper, a White House initiative designed to help young minorities achieve their full potential

28. Expanded embryonic stem cell research leading to groundbreaking work in areas including spinal injury treatment and cancer.

29. Obama created 16 million jobs. Out of 45 presidents he was the 3rd. highest job creator president in history in terms of numbers.

What "major" accomplishments has Trump done (Twitter wars. Executive orders that he bashed Obama for doing daily)

See how easily a trumper defeats this evidence:

Fake news, my numbers are the highest. Mexicans are pouring across the border = all the shitty empty parts of america are sold
 
This is one of the best explanations of Trump's behavior that I've heard. Ime, it's better to listen to it, but I added an article.

[TWEET]1076854838082719744[/TWEET]

Chris Christie doesn't understand Trump's "endgame"

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie tells ABC's "This Week" that Trump's executive decisions need to have strategy and an endgame.

Christie said Trump's business tactics aren't translating well in government.

"The president comes from a world where each deal is discrete. We argue, we sue each other and fight and then it's only money and we move on. In this world everyone remembers every slight. ... If you have issues coming up like the Mueller report, like potential investigations from House Democrats, if you have those things, you have to keep your Republicans completely in line with you to be able to fight off a political or legal attack from the other side.


The tweet is from an opinion piece that has interesting quotes/links.
 
CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, BBC, PBS, and many many other news outlets work very hard to report all the facts and all of the horrible things Trump does. It's only "fake news" when Deplorable Donny doesn't like the truth they are reporting. Real shit.
 
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Trump is NOT a good businessman. He might be a better businessman than a president, but I'd argue there's ample evidence to suggest trump isn't a good businessman either.

Smart businessmen don't base their decisions on emotional impulses with little regard to reality. They don't switch their honest evaluation of a person in an instant back and forth depending on if they've insulted them or boosted their ego lately. Smart businessmen see the reality of the situation and find ways to exploit it.

I don't see trump doing that at all. I see a man who's narcissism poisons his every decision and couldn't be trusted to act rationally even purely in his own interest, let alone anyone else's.
 
Hey bro, fully half the country didn't vote for him. His approval rating stays under 40%. In a harm reduction forum, you're going to find a higher proportion of open minds, which equals intelligence imo. Of course BL isn't teeming with Trump fans. His "presidency" if one can even call it that has been a trainwreck within a nightmare. So it's not about a moderator (who is fully entitled to be in with the left whatever that means). This thread got so much action last year because it's popular. Why is it popular? Because there's a LOT of people who are frustrated, incredulous, scared, and angry thanks to his actions. Don't put down the mod just cause you don't like the thread.
So tat makes it ok to call trump supporters idiots and not respect their beleifs I respect your beleifs but I do not respect you and certainly not the moderator if you was open minded you would be less prejudice its like being racist to trump supporters when most trump supporters are not racist they just want someone nrw if your so open minded why is my opinion and other trump supporters opions so bad I mean if you beleive everything you read from the media and don't ever question it the way you talk about trump and politics I would say your actually pretty close minded I am entilted to my own opinion must like you buddy.
 
Trump is NOT a good businessman. He might be a better businessman than a president, but I'd argue there's ample evidence to suggest trump isn't a good businessman either.

Smart businessmen don't base their decisions on emotional impulses with little regard to reality. They don't switch their honest evaluation of a person in an instant back and forth depending on if they've insulted them or boosted their ego lately. Smart businessmen see the reality of the situation and find ways to exploit it.

I don't see trump doing that at all. I see a man who's narcissism poisons his every decision and couldn't be trusted to act rationally even purely in his own interest, let alone anyone else's.

Ok how about we rename it to copy and paste all bad stories about Trumps from the media and not even have your own opinion everyones 'opinion' is just artifical and projected from the anti Trump media see I have passions for what I say and what I read and I just want to say to all you other Trump supporters dont let these sad fucks intimidate you into not posting they are the ones living in a fantasy world not us.

See all that stuff your saying is just coming from the media(who hate trump and work for his opposition) no one here knows a thing about Trump(including me) none of you have ever actually talked to the guy, off camera I know I know hes so 'horrendous ' you would never go near him or whatever im not gonna say another word on this thread cus its just so stupid and I beleive in Trump.Takes even though I'm not American.

Theres a reason people voted for Trump and maybe his rhetoric and energy is a bit to much for some but never in all my life have I seen such complete and utter bul**** excuse my french.
 
Ok how about we rename it to copy and paste all bad stories about Trumps from the media and not even have your own opinion everyones 'opinion' is just artifical and projected from the anti Trump media see I have passions for what I say and what I read and I just want to say to all you other Trump supporters dont let these sad fucks intimidate you into not posting they are the ones living in a fantasy world not us.

See all that stuff your saying is just coming from the media(who hate trump and work for his opposition) no one here knows a thing about Trump(including me) none of you have ever actually talked to the guy, off camera I know I know hes so 'horrendous ' you would never go near him or whatever im not gonna say another word on this thread cus its just so stupid and I beleive in Trump.Takes even though I'm not American.

Theres a reason people voted for Trump and maybe his rhetoric and energy is a bit to much for some but never in all my life have I seen such complete and utter bul**** excuse my french.

99 percent of the shit we say about Trump and his lies we watched come from his own fucked up face. He'll say a straight up lie and then say he never said it when we have his stupid ass on camera saying the shit... Fuck a cigarette we need some pure methamphetamine to keep up with all his fucking lies. Fact checkers brains are melting in their heads and they are having to be carried out on stretchers because he lies so much.

You believe in Trump? Ok, cool. We live here and watch this sorry excuse for a human being lie daily.

This isn't the media... This is straight up my own opinion.
 
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Don't you live in the UK bro why do you care about Trump?

Not to speak for someone else, but what affects America affects the world. Not to mention that the UK is a NATO ally, one of the ones trump keeps insulting while praising our long standing enemies.
 
Not to speak for someone else, but what affects America affects the world. Not to mention that the UK is a NATO ally, one of the ones trump keeps insulting while praising our long standing enemies.

You are very correct. I took that part out. Unlike Trump I am a real man and I can admit when I'm wrong.
 
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I just have to agree that I can't even begin to count the number of times I have personally watched Trump on TV saying something that is a complete lie or that he later goes entirely back on and undermines. Or often in tweets. For example when he says that if the government shuts down it's the fault of the president, it starts at the top (back when there was a shutdown during Obama's presidency) and then when it's his turn to preside over a shutdown, he gleefully says he's happy to shut it down to get what he wants, and that he'll be happy to keep it going for "weeks, months, years". He said these things, yes, CNN reports on it but they also show the video of it saying it at a press release or something, or you can read the tweets on his twitter feed. He DID say these things. It's NOT fake news. There are hundreds and hundreds of these sort of things. He DOES react and entirely change his opinion based on someone insulting him. He DOES impulsively make decisions based on his ego. These are facts. Yeah, the media also writes bullshit sensationalist articles trying to interpret shit in certain ways sometimes and I read those and shake my head. But Trump does so much to condemn himself that you can't possibly deny because there are recordings of him doing it, or the record of his Twitter, or public record of bills/policies passed, and so on. This is what we are using to form our opinion on Trump. I respect your right to support him but I truly cannot come to understand how it is you can continue to support him in light of the evidence that is right there, plain as day, that you don't need MSM fear-pieces to see (and yes, the MSM does go overboard and I wish they didn't).

It feels to me that anyone still supporting Trump has their heads buried in the sand. I mean I've been trying to make my argument for the main reason I don't support him in this thread for days, which is his absolutely disastrous environmental policies and the truly horrendous mix of positions of the heads of agencies he has filled, nearly all of whom have clear and direct conflicts of interest (the head of the EPA a leader in the fossil fuels industry, for example). You can't honestly cry "FAKE NEWS" at this stuff. it's public record, it's fact. His appointments are actively working to undermine the various government agencies they control, altering policies to suit the industries they serve at the expense of what is good for the people and the planet. THIS is what we need to be concerned about. it's gone way beyond "I like him, he shoots from the hip, he talks real" or "BUILD THAT WALL" and that tired campaign shit. There are very real and very negative ramifications of what he's doing and these things are staring us right in the face and yet, still, a large percentage of people are choosing to ignore it entirely because they're addicted to the Trump personality thing. It's so fucking weird.

Again, you have the right to feel the way you do... but I really wish you could explain it to me so I could understand. Without glossing over the points I just made (because no one ever answers those points, they just pretend I didn't say them or something). How do you justify the brazen corruption that is right out in the open for all to see? Do you just not care, and somehow feel that he's still doing a good job despite that, and that these bad parts are somehow worth the cost?
 
JessFR, I don't really understand how the electoral college serves to prevent tyranny of the majority (which I agree is very important to do). Protecting minorities on principle is important (and if it's done right it is most definitely not undemocratic to do so), but afaik (and I'm not even American mind you) the electoral college does precisely not do that, but instead favours one minority in particular, namely the rural population. This is absolutley undemocratic and I don't see what redeeming features there are.
 
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