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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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i have to go out for a cig, they usually last about 10 minutes so you can have twice as much time now.

sorry, i know i took that page out of trumps book but i'm trying to see things from his and your point of view.
 
invegauser said:
hillary is no better and also a racist.
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Thank you. I think you're wrong about Trump but at least you were honest about this.

Other than that you're basically just trolling me.
You also keep implying that I am a racist.
Honestly there's so much evidence out there of Trump not being racist (including a ton of respected minorities backing that up) so I don't know what to tell you.
 
After months of competition and preparation, contractors broke ground Tuesday on eight prototypes for President Trump's long-promised border wall. U.S. Customs and Border Protection announced that the companies would have about 30 days to complete construction on their prototypes in San Diego.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...n-building-prototypes-for-trump-s-border-wall

mexico pay for that?

JGrimez said:
If numbers have skyrocketed under Trump then he is somewhat responsible and worthy of praise. He signed this executive order. These are demonstrable actions.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...se-corruption/
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mexico pay for that?

we sure seem to be footing the bill for mexico. they must be getting ready to cut us a huge check.

not to mention all the social media, data and media coverage we are paying for in this country every time trump opens his mouth and something negative comes out.

[h=3]1. Chief of State[/h] This role requires a president to be an inspiring example for the American people. In some nations, the chief of state is a king or a queen who wears a crown on special occasions, celebrates national holidays, and stands for the highest values and ideals of the country. As the American Chief of State, the president is a living symbol of the nation. It is considered a great honor for any citizen to shake the president's hand.
Examples of Responsibilities:

  • Awarding medals to the winners of college scholarships
  • Congratulating astronauts on their journey into space
  • Greeting visitors to the White House
  • Making a patriotic speech on the Fourth of July

https://www.scholastic.com/teachers/articles/teaching-content/seven-roles-one-president/
 
JGrimez said:
The only one I'm showing any rudeness to is spacejunk for obvious reasons. I don't think you're personally attacking me but I could just as easily call you obtuse for denying improvements in the economy. I agree insulting people doesn't help change their minds which is why I refrain from doing so. I cop a few insults though!
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Plainspeaking, innit? I calls it as i see it, and anyone that continues to gaslight for trump is - yeah - suspect in the extreme, to my way of thinking. Maybe your motives are pure, but why then the inability or unwillingness to debate trump in good faith?

Lies, and denial of plain truths (spelled out over and over again) do not make for a mature debate. Lots of spam though - funny that.

Regardless, you're not fooling - or convincing - anyone here, apparently.
 
spacejunk said:
Maybe your motives are pure, but why then the inability or unwillingness to debate trump in good faith?
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Trump's a narcissistic cunt.

I've had narcissistic cunts as bosses before and they were competent and successful in their position.

I didn't like them but I realized that they attained their position for a reason and I still assessed their performance objectively.

I didn't make up lies to try and get them fired.
 
JGrimez said:
Honestly there's so much evidence out there, so I don't know what to tell you.
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ftfy. i'm glad you are starting to see what those here are trying to say.

which is there are somethings you are denying.

"everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."
 
Look, enough of this nonsense - to me if you're racist then your actions back that up. I know people who make racist jokes because they're funny, but they wouldn't ever marginalize or even consider someone inferior to them based on any racial characteristics. They're not racist in my eyes but other more easily-offended people may consider that person a racist based on some controversial jokes.

So going by actions, like Trump fighting a court battle to allow blacks/Jews to become members of his private club, or now seeing minorities thrive under his policies amid growing support for him within those minority communities - then Trump is objectively, factually and provably not a racist. It is you all who are wrong. I'm not going to debate this further as it goes nowhere.
 
fair enough.

lady justice is blind and while i don't agree with making a racist comment and then trying to gain favor without being sincere, respect and an apology; i do believe even Trump has the ability to change.

"a genuine leader is not a searcher of consensus but a molder of consensus"

this is in regard to trump and not an attack on you, your character, being rude or continuing to engage.

what he says and does is not only in the national spotlight but a global one as well.

this quote comes from Martin Luther King Jr. and he wasn't perfect either but he was under much hate and criticism from this country at the time.

something to think on.

i'm going to bed now. you all have a nice day. peace.
 
Personally I'm sick of discussing racism all together.

I think society has come to use the word racism with two different meanings, where we all sort of believe and claim on the one hand that racism is the belief that certain races are innately superior or inferior to each other, and maaaybe other groups like races. While on the other hand, the way we actually use the word everywhere except when forced to define its meaning, is more along the lines of "someone who says anything or does anything that in any way suggests any group of people defined by race, religion, ethnicity, shared culture, or country of origin are in any way inferior to another race religion ethnicity culture country of origin etc.".

So we end up with endless arguments caused by the reality that we officially define racism to mean something that is rightly abhorrent, but unofficially and almost universally use it with a greatly expanded meaning which includes beliefs that I'd say are far more justifiable.

I don't really have an opinion on if trumps a racist. I really wouldn't say that I personally have seen sufficient evidence to convince me one way or the other. There are various reasons I hate the guy, and if he were a racist, that would be yet another. But it's not one of my current reasons.

I think our society has a problem with its use of terms to group people together, it's totally dysfunctional because people seem incapable of having clear and level-headed discussions about the subject.

Which is why personally I just concern myself on my own moral beliefs on the subject and try and ignore the rest.
 
Personally I'm sick of discussing racism all together.

I think society has come to use the word racism with two different meanings, where we all sort of believe and claim on the one hand that racism is the belief that certain races are innately superior or inferior to each other, and maaaybe other groups like races. While on the other hand, the way we actually use the word everywhere except when forced to define its meaning, is more along the lines of "someone who says anything or does anything that in any way suggests any group of people defined by race, religion, ethnicity, shared culture, or country of origin are in any way inferior to another race religion ethnicity culture country of origin etc.".

So we end up with endless arguments caused by the reality that we officially define racism to mean something that is rightly abhorrent, but unofficially and almost universally use it with a greatly expanded meaning which includes beliefs that I'd say are far more justifiable.

I don't really have an opinion on if trumps a racist. I really wouldn't say that I personally have seen sufficient evidence to convince me one way or the other. There are various reasons I hate the guy, and if he were a racist, that would be yet another. But it's not one of my current reasons.

I think our society has a problem with its use of terms to group people together, it's totally dysfunctional because people seem incapable of having clear and level-headed discussions about the subject.

Which is why personally I just concern myself on my own moral beliefs on the subject and try and ignore the rest.
 
How cool is "plaid shirt guy"?

Showing up trump for the weak little pissant he actually is. Even when he holds the most powerful office in the world. What a dick :)
 
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^ you must praise the great leader!

JessFR said:
As if it weren't bad enough that they're his resorts, it's also completely hypocritical considering he attacked obama for golfing in office, despite doing it significantly less, and not at resorts he owned.
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yep. it's absolutely appalling.

alasdair
 
JGrimez said:
Actually by definition that would be bigotry as Mexican is not a race as we've discussed ad nauseum. That's the only legitimate example. Are you going to hold that one comment over Trump as a reason to hate him, assassinate his character and consider him unqualified for the presidency? If that's your reason then you should hate Hillary more for calling black youth "super predators" which is actually a racist comment. Will you state that Hillary is at least racist, if not more racist than Trump?
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This seems like a very weak argument. Okay, so Trump's a bigot. Functionally the same, discriminating based on a grouping. Like he is a mysoginist.

Worse than bigotry or racism or mysoginy, to me (as those are character flaws which other presidents have certainly had whom we now consider great and I agree with you that the president does not HAVE to be a likable personality) are some of his actions. Most recently the "tariff war"... the ramifications for our country are already being felt, and will only escalate. It's a dangerous situation. China is threatening retaliation in the face of even more tariffs right now. Yes, we should never have outsourced so much of our manufacturing, that was stupid and short-sighted. But this is not the way to fix it. The only people this is helping are the top of the pyramid steel/aluminum/etc producers in America... the consumers of these raw materials are being hurt significantly, and the vast majority of businesses in the US that use these industries are consumers, not producers (of the raw materials). As usual, trickle-down economics does not work. Factories are closing left and right. Unfortunately, it's just one example of his ineptitude and lack of understanding of the big picture.
 
^ yup. The hair-splitting about the functional definition of "racism" is as weak as political arguments get.

Bigotry is bigotry - especially when it is used to justify politics and agendas that divide communities, sow fear and hostility - and ultimately cause real suffering in real people.

Don't believe the hype. Trump is a racist coward, and trying to deny that with such spurious arguments doesn't do the trump camp any favours - if anything it just reinforces my prejudice that vocal trump fans are more than likely hateful morons.
That's not an insult, as such - it's an assumption that sadly gets challenged all to rarely :\

I'm not a fan of dismissing whole groups of people like that, but i'm really not too symptathetic to hate - and i make no apologies for that.
 
Shadowmeister said:
This seems like a very weak argument. Okay, so Trump's a bigot. Functionally the same, discriminating based on a grouping. Like he is a mysoginist.
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For the record I don't think he is a bigot or a racist, or even misogynist. He's a masculine, high-status lothario. Cool, so was JFK and he was our last good president. The first woman to oversee a skyscraper construction was under Trump. He had women executives making more $ than male counterparts based on performance. He fought legal battles for racial equality. His policies are helping minorities and there are countless minorities (that you all ignore) that support Trump, sing his praises and will unequivocally state that he is not racist. So when he actually DOES something racist - let me know. Until then, my evidence of actions trumps yours of subjective interpretation of words.

Shadowmeister said:
Most recently the "tariff war"... the ramifications for our country are already being felt, and will only escalate. It's a dangerous situation. China is threatening retaliation in the face of even more tariffs right now. Yes, we should never have outsourced so much of our manufacturing, that was stupid and short-sighted. But this is not the way to fix it.
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Why aren't you blaming China for anything?
This has gone on for a while.
China has made their economy on selling to the US and then they tariff US goods to make theirs more competitive.
Ever since China opened up their markets to the world/West they've continuously messed with their own currency and implemented tariffs.
Trump's goal here is to pressure China to remove or reduce some of their tariffs.
So threaten them with a trade war - the US will suffer an extremely slight, temporary hit but China will buckle first as the US is their largest trade partner.
The US trades more with Mexico and other countries and doesn't need China.

To avoid a trade war the German auto industry relaxed their tariffs on US imports. Xi should've accepted negotiations. He will eventually though.

Trump said:
"If the U.S. sells a car into China, there is a tax of 25%. If China sells a car into the U.S., there is a tax of 2%. Does anybody think that is FAIR? The days of the U.S. being ripped-off by other nations is OVER!"
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What's interesting is that the Left has an inverted sense of what is right and wrong compared to what they were saying a decade ago.

Today it's:
Corporate censorship = good
Corporate profits = good
Tariffs to protect American workers and hopefully snuff out some of the slavery in China = bad
 
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